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Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2010.10.29 18:21:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: Taedrin on 29/10/2010 18:26:53
Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev
Originally by: Gripen
Originally by: CCP Hunter
It is our goal that sometime in the not too distant future, EVE Online will have no daily downtime.

Does it mean that in "not too distant future" you'll be able to remap systems between the nodes without need of downtime? Will the node reboot (players disconnection) be still required for this?


By the time we get to Future(tm), which is way further than Soon(tm), computers will be so powerfull that each node will potentially able to hold a fleet fight with every New Eden pilot involved Embarassed


Unfortunately, computers have stopped getting "faster". We have essentially hit the physical limit with regards to maximum clock speeds with silicon semiconductors. You will notice that the desktop processor with the *highest* clock speed is the Pentium 4 at 3.8 GHz.

That was 6 years ago.

Now most fast processors are in the 3-3.3GHz range, though there are some that go as high as 3.6 GHz. Simply put, Intel and AMD have COMPLETELY abandoned any attempts at making their processors "faster". They instead focus on multiple core processing which relies on multithreading to see any real speed increases.

Since EVE's nodes are single threaded, they can not take (significant) advantage of multiple core processors. Thus they will not see any improved performance in the future, unless CCP manages to make it possible for more than one node to support a single solar system.

EDIT: I should clarify - we haven't hit the theoretical ceiling yet for silicone. However, the amount of heat generated by processors is so great that it's impossible to raise clock speeds very high without excessive cooling systems. The current world record clock speed is at around 8.2 GHz (they use liquid nitrogen cooling to get clock speeds that high). However, my point is that stock clock speeds have essentially remained the same for over 6 years now.

Nikolai Kondratiev
Sphere Design Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.29 18:43:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Taedrin
blablabla

Since EVE's nodes are single threaded, they can not take (significant) advantage of multiple core processors.


You have so little faith in CCP. By the time we hit Future(tm), they'll certainly figure a way to take advantage of the massive amount of cores processors will have !

Captain Shikaka
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.10.29 18:51:00 - [63]
 

I beg of you CCP,

Please leave downtime alone, it has come to be my "stop playing eve" notice. I fear for my life if downtime doesn't exist anymore......

Whoever is in the same boat as I am,

God help us all.


Sul Trewtis
ANZAC ALLIANCE
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.29 20:45:00 - [64]
 

CCP, If you can remove DT I'm sure all kiwis and aussies will simultaneously thank and despise you. LaughingRazz

Death to DT. Very Happy

Bhattran
Posted - 2010.10.29 21:21:00 - [65]
 

Well so much for those edge of the seat runs through/in lowsec pre/post DT to avoid teh gank squads, also what happens to missions that aren't completed before DT once DT is ultimately removed will this be the end to their being reset?

Similarly for leaving corp/dropping roles/wardec that are supposed to take 24hrs but at least one only needs until DT to come/go will those now actually work on 24hr timers or whut?

I know we aren't there yet but you can't drop a bomb like this and not expect questions.

Bibosikus
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.30 00:47:00 - [66]
 

"..cluster management is being re-architected."

Wait

What?

Who invented that word?

lol

SgtRaider
Caldari
Blue Moon Ventures
Posted - 2010.10.30 01:52:00 - [67]
 

This will be a great day in EvE, no more winding down in the morning to wait for up time. Even worse for the folks over by CCP who have the DT during the middle of the day. Would be nice to have a "we will be taking the server down tonight for 15 minutes" warning every once in a while. Great Job on this.

Oxylan
Posted - 2010.10.30 03:03:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Oxylan on 30/10/2010 03:08:18
Great news, can you imagine EVE withaut DT ? this switch EvE to new dimension... a living immortal virtual world, game where no pause mode, awesome.


Julienne Poirier
Gallente
Nonya Endeavours
Posted - 2010.10.30 04:36:00 - [69]
 

"In addition to this we have worked on the cluster shutdown procedure and startup procedure so that the cluster goes down and up faster."

i chuckled at this

Chesrie
Posted - 2010.10.30 09:34:00 - [70]
 

oh man. when shall i sleep than ???

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2010.10.30 10:00:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: CCP
Tranquility is one of the largest single-sharded Massively Multiplayer Online Games in operation.


Wait, what? You've never been shy about proclaiming you were the biggest. Is there another bigger one now? Question

Lors Dornick
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.30 11:27:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Hyveres
So post DT officer spawns will be a thing of the past and we are reduced to continuously cleaning belts and hoping for luck?


This and other "post DT" rushes.

While a bit annoying it does sound like a good thing.

Having the universe resetting once a day on a given schedule is a bit of an immersion breaker ;)

Snotty Amarrian Slaver: You are a lowly beast you must do as I say!
Angry Minmatar Rebel: And you are a despicable abuse of living tissue, I will sing in joy when I can use your intestines as suspenders!
Snotty Amarrian Slaver: That's it! You will die! Dog!
Angry Minmatar Rebel: Erh, dude, we'll better wait until after the universe does it's daily reset.

CCP Hunter.

Posted - 2010.10.30 14:26:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Chruker
Originally by: Double Dee
1st!

Maybe in some other universe Very Happy

Anyway, great job on reducing the DT.

Have you been able to shift maintenance jobs so they can be done while TQ is open or have their need been eleminated.


We have done both. Over the past 2 years, all new services and upgrades to existing services have been implemented/optimized so that they are not dependant on the daily downtime.

CCP Hunter.

Posted - 2010.10.30 14:26:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Plastician
Great news, but can we be trusted to take our own breaks? Is this really a responsible thing to be doing to us? Embarassed



Haha, I trust you to decide when you need a break Wink

CCP Hunter.

Posted - 2010.10.30 14:27:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Gripen
Originally by: CCP Hunter
It is our goal that sometime in the not too distant future, EVE Online will have no daily downtime.

Does it mean that in "not too distant future" you'll be able to remap systems between the nodes without need of downtime? Will the node reboot (players disconnection) be still required for this?


We are already able to remap systems during runtime but it requires to disconnect all users.(The node doesnt reboot.) As the project moves forward we will hopefully be able to provide better user experience for the remaps.

CCP Hunter.

Posted - 2010.10.30 14:31:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Ulair Memmet
So use the improvements that you guys made in the DT-progress and give yourself a little room for mistakes.


We already have 10-15 minutes buffer in there. If we need more downtime than officially announced. We will of course let the players know via Message Of the Day and on the forums.

CCP Hunter.

Posted - 2010.10.30 14:40:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Bhattran
Similarly for leaving corp/dropping roles/wardec that are supposed to take 24hrs but at least one only needs until DT to come/go will those now actually work on 24hr timers or whut?

I know we aren't there yet but you can't drop a bomb like this and not expect questions.


Tbh, I put my flame suit on preparing for the worst but all questions/concerns so far are good and constructive. ugh

We will of course make sure that all timers you described above will work as intended when moving forward.

Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
Posted - 2010.10.30 16:27:00 - [78]
 

I bet no downtime pleases down under.

Syekuda
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2010.10.30 20:58:00 - [79]
 

This must be the most idiotic question ever but with CCP's reputation are you sure 30 minutes is enough for a downtime. I mean almost each mistakes you made requires wayyyy more than 1 hour of downtime. With no updates this resulted into a mass colective suicide emo rage quit cult.

Again, is 30 minutes a good thing ? Honestly, I was happy with 1h. Besides it wasn't in my timezone so I didn't care about it either. Even if it was, it would be a small break to go away from my computer. Which is always good for everyone.

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2010.10.30 21:42:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Che Biko
I bet no downtime pleases down under.


Actually, like in many MMOs, a "Go to bed!" reminder isn't necessarily a bad thing. Razz

MP Rhianna
Posted - 2010.10.30 22:16:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Syekuda
This must be the most idiotic question ever but with CCP's reputation are you sure 30 minutes is enough for a downtime. I mean almost each mistakes you made requires wayyyy more than 1 hour of downtime. With no updates this resulted into a mass colective suicide emo rage quit cult.

Again, is 30 minutes a good thing ? Honestly, I was happy with 1h. Besides it wasn't in my timezone so I didn't care about it either. Even if it was, it would be a small break to go away from my computer. Which is always good for everyone.


I remember when DT was typically under an hour then mostly went to just over 1/2 hr and most recently was like 15minutes and under except for a short stint before a patch/expansion IIRC so they can manage a shorter DT. We'll have to wait and see if all their improvements are stable enough to hold to it, I personally like having the game shutdown for a short bit but whatever, people across the world get mad cause they are upside down, their toilets flush in the wrong direction, DT lets them go grab a cup of coffee and then they have to deal with people in their homes.

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.10.31 02:47:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Taedrin

Unfortunately, computers have stopped getting "faster". We have essentially hit the physical limit with regards to maximum clock speeds with silicon semiconductors. You will notice that the desktop processor with the *highest* clock speed is the Pentium 4 at 3.8 GHz.

That was 6 years ago.

Now most fast processors are in the 3-3.3GHz range, though there are some that go as high as 3.6 GHz. Simply put, Intel and AMD have COMPLETELY abandoned any attempts at making their processors "faster". They instead focus on multiple core processing which relies on multithreading to see any real speed increases.

Since EVE's nodes are single threaded, they can not take (significant) advantage of multiple core processors. Thus they will not see any improved performance in the future, unless CCP manages to make it possible for more than one node to support a single solar system.

EDIT: I should clarify - we haven't hit the theoretical ceiling yet for silicone. However, the amount of heat generated by processors is so great that it's impossible to raise clock speeds very high without excessive cooling systems. The current world record clock speed is at around 8.2 GHz (they use liquid nitrogen cooling to get clock speeds that high). However, my point is that stock clock speeds have essentially remained the same for over 6 years now.


The Future

Thought that would interest you.

Grady Eltoren
Minmatar
Aviation Professionals for EVE
Posted - 2010.10.31 03:52:00 - [83]
 

One word - EPIC! \0/

I have lived (learned to live with and sometimes liked really) this down time thing since I started EVE and I hadn't even fathomed it might actually go away some day.

Crazy! Good job CCP.

Things are really changing these days in EVE - all for the better too (for the most part!)

Good work!

Lynn Deniera
Caldari
The Foreign Legion
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2010.10.31 05:47:00 - [84]
 

Im actually surprised you are working toward a downtime-less future. The downtime has become part of the ebb and flow of eve, both culturally and technically. I'm not sure how I'd feel about there not being a downtime... would it change things ingame? would I miss it? would it effect the 23hour cycle of eve.

I always noticed that the server is usually quite full just before downtime, and then after downtime it dropped and there is a slow and gradual build-up of people coming back online. This is what I mean about the ebb and flow.

I am curious, is there a reason you want to have a downtime-less Eve? Is it simply that you believe there is a desire from the playerbase for it?

Brannor McThife
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.10.31 22:32:00 - [85]
 

As an import into Aus from the EU timezone, I appreciate this move (I'm sure we've whined about moving DT enough), but as with many, am interested in how this impacts things that happened ingame over DT. NPC market ships, asteroids, exploration sites, etc.

-G

Washell Olivaw
Posted - 2010.11.01 00:24:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 01/11/2010 00:27:49
I'd like to chime in and say it's a bad move, because:

23/7 rolled off the fingers, 23.5/7 is annoying to type. Wink

So, swiftly on to 24/7!

As for the respawns and such, they'll be spread out over the day and we'll have endless debates on the forum whether veldspar respawn happens at 3 or 4 o'clock.

zandayus
Posted - 2010.11.01 00:42:00 - [87]
 

blessed are they who expect nothing.for they shall not be disapponted.this is just another example of technology aggorance.may your downtime be forever.

Jarod Garamonde
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2010.11.01 13:59:00 - [88]
 

(puts on flame-proof suit)

But, I actually *like* the fact that there's a DT, in the first place. The 1-hour DT should stay. Forever. Yes, I'm being serious. It's just one of the things that makes EVE, EVE.

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2010.11.01 18:59:00 - [89]
 

You incosiderate pricks, you realize downtime is the only time Eve Junkies get to sleep? NOW YOU'VE CUT IT TO 30 MINUTES? FOR SHAME!

whitefire34
Posted - 2010.11.01 22:18:00 - [90]
 

ok i have question to this no down time sounds good an all but what about there system belts people mine till there is nothing left how are the belts supose to respawnQuestion


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