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Mastertz
Posted - 2010.10.23 20:25:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Mastertz on 23/10/2010 20:27:13
CCP needs to fix ship collision. Running a ship into another shouldn't move your ship away from a gate or station, it should just go right through. I've lost too many ships to being knocked away from the gate or station I wanted to get to.

At the least CCP should make bumping a petitionable exploit.

Lu Hsun
Caldari
Blood Phage Syndicate
Posted - 2010.10.23 20:26:00 - [2]
 

Can I have your stuff?

Oh wait... your stuff got blown up.

Yuki Kulotsuki
Posted - 2010.10.23 20:26:00 - [3]
 

u mad?

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2010.10.23 20:27:00 - [4]
 

Laughing

Jejju
Posted - 2010.10.23 20:28:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Jejju on 23/10/2010 20:32:25
Originally by: Mastertz
Running a ship into another shouldn't move your ship away from a gate or station, it should just go right through.


Do you really think this? Why? I think you have gone wrong.

Haemorto
Posted - 2010.10.23 20:30:00 - [6]
 

yeah it is pretty ridiculous. they should at least take damage for bumping you.

Mastertz
Posted - 2010.10.23 20:34:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Mastertz on 23/10/2010 20:36:21
Edited by: Mastertz on 23/10/2010 20:36:07
Edited by: Mastertz on 23/10/2010 20:35:49
Originally by: Jejju
Edited by: Jejju on 23/10/2010 20:32:25
Originally by: Mastertz
Running a ship into another shouldn't move your ship away from a gate or station, it should just go right through.


Do you really think this? Why? I think you have gone wrong.


Yeah, other MMOs don't have collision on the players. It's really just a griefing tactic so it makes the game less enjoyable for the majority of players.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2010.10.23 20:40:00 - [8]
 

I AGREE THEY ALSO ALLOW GUNS TO USE AS A GRIEF TACTIC THEY SHOULD MAKE GUNS ONLY SHOOT CONSENTING PEOPLE ITS NOT FAIR EVE IS TOO HARD

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2010.10.23 20:44:00 - [9]
 

Right through - Alexander Noir style!Twisted Evil

Lu Hsun
Caldari
Blood Phage Syndicate
Posted - 2010.10.23 20:48:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Illwill Bill
Right through - Alexander Noir style!Twisted Evil


This!

Let's make Jita 4-4 a demonstration on Kessler Syndrome

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2010.10.23 20:51:00 - [11]
 

Haha! The tears would be delicious!Laughing

Qvan
Delphi Heavy Industries
Posted - 2010.10.23 21:01:00 - [12]
 

I think Mastertz is right.
This bumping needs to be fixed; there should be a graphic affect to show that the shield from each ship bumping has touched each other. Like sparks or something. After all there is not enough lag at the moment so why not have another affect to help.

Paknac Queltel
Baden's Army
Posted - 2010.10.23 21:03:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Mastertz
Edited by: Mastertz on 23/10/2010 20:27:13
CCP needs to fix ship collision. Running a ship into another shouldn't move your ship away from a gate or station, it should just go right through. I've lost too many ships to being knocked away from the gate or station I wanted to get to.

At the least CCP should make bumping a petitionable exploit.
You fail physics forever.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2010.10.23 21:09:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Mastertz
I've lost too many ships to being knocked away from the gate or station I wanted to get to.


Hmm... strange... how come this isn't happening to me then? Am I playing the game wrong? Or you are?

Just a thought...

Tyraeil
Posted - 2010.10.23 21:11:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Tyraeil on 23/10/2010 21:13:56
Quote:
Yeah, other MMOs don't have collision on the players. It's really just a griefing tactic so it makes the game less enjoyable for the majority of players.


QFT

In WoW you can just go through players without any collision, should be the same here.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.23 21:13:00 - [16]
 

Bump for a good topic...

Oh wait you don't like that!

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.10.23 21:13:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Mastertz
I've lost too many ships to being knocked away from the gate or station I wanted to get to.
Just to be serious for a second…

What would you replace it with? How else would you want to have lost those ships (and no, "not at all" is not a satisfactory answer). Bumping serves a purpose, and removing it would require the mechanic to be replaced by something else.

So what would you suggest that this would be?

Priestess Nightstar
Amarr
Special Space Marines
Posted - 2010.10.23 21:33:00 - [18]
 

Bumping is a good way to stop someone from warping away too soon.

As a noob with low skills I was in a fleet that had engaged a bs. It was aligned to warp away, the FC started yelling he's aligned he's aligned! Someone bump him! So in my little frig I fly towards him as fast as my little ship would take me.

He was knocked off course and as a result we got him, its a good tactic to use.

But I agree with the idea of having sparks and collision effects for when the ships touch.

- PN

Snowmann
Posted - 2010.10.23 21:41:00 - [19]
 

Bumping used to be far worse.
Size wasn't taken in account before to determine how much a ship gets bumped.

Oh yea, wrecks used to be an issue too.

Haemorto
Posted - 2010.10.23 21:57:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Priestess Nightstar
Bumping is a good way to stop someone from warping away too soon.

As a noob with low skills I was in a fleet that had engaged a bs. It was aligned to warp away, the FC started yelling he's aligned he's aligned! Someone bump him! So in my little frig I fly towards him as fast as my little ship would take me.

He was knocked off course and as a result we got him, its a good tactic to use.

But I agree with the idea of having sparks and collision effects for when the ships touch.

- PN



this is the exact sort of griefing that is the problem. u shouldnt be able to stop someone warping without a warp disruptor. why should anyone fit a warp disruptor when they can just bump to stop them from warping.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.23 22:00:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Haemorto
this is the exact sort of griefing that is the problem. u shouldnt be able to stop someone warping without a warp disruptor. why should anyone fit a warp disruptor when they can just bump to stop them from warping.

OMG he is right we should totally stop fitting warp disrupters!

Problem solved!

Running missions
Posted - 2010.10.23 22:00:00 - [22]
 

bumping is broken but your just a moron.
the issue comes when a cruiser plow's a battleship

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.10.23 22:01:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Haemorto
why should anyone fit a warp disruptor when they can just bump to stop them from warping.
Because it doesn't — it simply means he has to pick another warp target. It also means that manoeuvring matters, not just clicking buttons. It's a good thing.

Kesshisan
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.10.23 22:05:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Mastertz
Edited by: Mastertz on 23/10/2010 20:27:13
CCP needs to fix ship collision. Running a ship into another shouldn't move your ship away from a gate or station, it should just go right through. I've lost too many ships to being knocked away from the gate or station I wanted to get to.

At the least CCP should make bumping a petitionable exploit.
You fail physics forever.


To be fair, Eve physics are pretty fail when it comes to ship bumping. Battleships getting bumped out of the way by frigates 1/10th their size? That, sir, is what you call "fail physics."

If the OP had argued this point, I think his argument would hold more water. However the OP did no such thing. Instead the OP said "WAH I lost a ship WAH remove this feature WAH" makes everybody instead want to point and laugh rather than dive deeper and truly interrogate the problem.

Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.10.23 22:05:00 - [25]
 


Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2010.10.23 22:16:00 - [26]
 

1/10 troll.

I'll give you that small vs large ship bumping IS broken and always has been. Don't expect a fix though. Market would crash with all those people not losing ships...

Arbiter Reformed
Minmatar
Garnet Resources
Posted - 2010.10.23 22:21:00 - [27]
 

i thought this might be a cool RAMMING SPEED collision thread. i am disapoint

Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.10.23 22:30:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Freyya
1/10 troll.

I'll give you that small vs large ship bumping IS broken and always has been. Don't expect a fix though. Market would crash with all those people not losing ships...


Just going to add that it's KE = 1/2(m v^2). The velocity is more important than the mass as it's squared, with no collision damage, it's not unreasonable that a small fast ship can move a very heavy one. Or that a fast heavy ship like a mach, is a bumping god ;)

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.10.23 22:32:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 23/10/2010 22:35:13
bumping is broken and one of the reasons I will most likely not resub. just back for a month.

it's fine on a small scale, and the op is being ridiculous, but when a frigate bumps a mothership. I cry.

adding, the other issue is how they don't get bumps in a direction, they CHANGE DIRECTION. what the **** is with that?

if eve ships when bumped instead moved in a direction, but keep facing the same direction, I would be happy.


Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.23 22:37:00 - [30]
 

**** realism. Mass should be a factor for bumping - ie a small fast ship should just bounce off a larger, less mobile ship, perhaps even causing a significant amount of damage for each bump.

There are those that say "we want Eve to be as realistic as possible, and technically a large object in space could be moved by a small object because there is no friction" however if we are going to be super realistic, that small object would be flattened by hitting the large object. In a true realistic environment, your pod would explode with your ship.

And so instead of true realism, I say they make mass a variable for ship bumping. Very Happy


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