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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2010.10.21 19:06:00 - [1]
 

As some pilots could not dock at my cottage... and tbh there really isn't any decent howto on the station management interface around...

Explanation needed for;

Service Access Control:
1) Min. Standing?
Means what _exactly_, I was told that putting 0.0 there for example in Docking, would let _everyone_ able to dock - which does not seem to be the case as both negative and positive pilots was denied (Use alliance is unchecked btw)

2) What are the settings needed to allow ANYONE - full access to services?

Cost Modifiers:
1) Good standing discount?
Here again was told putting 10.0 would make it free to people, and by free = whatever the default fee's are.

2) Bad standing surcharge?
I would assume this work the opposite way to 1)? So I should put 0.0 there to make negative people not pay extra?

3) Or is the discount/surcharge ONLY based if a pilot/corp/alliance has a standing? Seeing as I don't really have much standings towards anyone (except my alts) - what is the proper settings to ensure all pilots get cheapest fees?

Thanks!

/c

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.10.21 19:28:00 - [2]
 

Been awhile since I've had station management roles. I believe there is a min standing as well as a min and max security status levels for docking rights. It should be like 5 options corp to char and corp to corp and you have to set them up for access to the station and for each service, repair cloning etc. 0.0 should allow anyone who you don't have standings with to dock assuming they can pay the docking fee YARRRR!!

The discount should mean % discount per point of standing so 10.0 means 10% off if you have +1.0 from Chribbas corp. Keep in mind while setting up standings that is usually done corp to corp. I never touched bad standing surcharge. You can also tick a box on whether you want offices to be publically available for rent as well.

Of course I could be wrong as I haven't done the above for almost a year and 0.0 messes up a lot. Give it a downtime before you send off petitions but you probably will need to petition stuff eventually, 0.0 sov and access stuff always bugs out. GL and what is the name of the outpost?

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2010.10.21 19:53:00 - [3]
 

Yeah I was told 0.0 would be for "everyone" as well, but apparently it does not seem to work like that for some - as some couldn't dock?

Here's how it looks now - and after changing the red box to -10.0 the pilot that couldn't dock - could dock. Linkage

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2010.10.21 20:08:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 21/10/2010 20:12:15
Originally by: Chribba
As some pilots could not dock at my cottage... and tbh there really isn't any decent howto on the station management interface around...

I'm guessing you already found Outposts?

I'll post more links if I find any, but the last time I went looking, there wasn't much available.

EDIT: See section 2.3: Outpost Construction and Upgrading (inc Freighter usage)

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2010.10.21 20:11:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Originally by: Chribba
As some pilots could not dock at my cottage... and tbh there really isn't any decent howto on the station management interface around...

I'm guessing you already found Outposts?

I'll post more links if I find any, but the last time I went looking, there wasn't much available.
Yep been reading it, but it doesn't seem to work like described there - unless ofc it's all bugged etc

Hence why I'm trying to get some more hands-on info from people who actually have done this previously Smile

Akira Menoko
The Farmer's CO-OP
Posted - 2010.10.22 16:35:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Akira Menoko on 22/10/2010 16:39:32
I don't have any experience with Outposts, but it looks like those controls accept raw standings as their inputs. Which explains why setting the minimum standings allowed to -10 would let someone dock who couldn't dock before (especially if they were below 0.0 standing). In fact, if all of them were set to 0.0, then only true neutral pilots could dock because they are the only ones that meet the "not lower than 0.0 and not higher than 0.0 standings" requirement. The logic behind it all probably looks like this:

Min = Minimum standings|security set in interface
Max = Maximum standings|security set in interface
x = Pilot's actual standings|security

if (x>=Min AND x<=Max) Then Allow Docking|Services. All Else, Disallow.


I hope this is of some help.

{Edit: Replace "/" with "|" since it looked like I was dividing something and not saying "or." And since "|" is a symbol for "or" I went with that.}

Agent Known
Posted - 2010.10.22 16:59:00 - [7]
 

From my understanding with outposts:

The "min. security" is the absolute lowest standing someone can have to dock. If you want it to be unrestricted, it has to be -10.0. However, they throw in "security status" into that mix which isn't the same (that should almost always be -10.0). If you don't have standings with anyone, then 0.0 would be fine.

As for the charges, I believe the surcharge and discounts go from 0-100. If you want it to be free for everyone, it's easy to use a 100% discount and 0% surcharge, and the surcharge will never get used as long as you don't have anyone -0.1 or lower. This applies to standings, not security status.

CCP made it confusing by even implementing security status with the settings...it should just be removed tbh.

wizard87
Posted - 2010.10.24 11:35:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: wizard87 on 24/10/2010 11:37:22

How do you feel about "taking over" the station having not built it yourself?

Are you worried about inevitably getting involved with the Ushra'Khan/Damu'Khonde & CVA power struggle of that particular station?

If your neutrality is being compromised will the Veld flow slow?

The Veld must flow.... Wink

Corporate Thief
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.25 06:15:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: wizard87
Edited by: wizard87 on 24/10/2010 11:37:22

How do you feel about "taking over" the station having not built it yourself?

Are you worried about inevitably getting involved with the Ushra'Khan/Damu'Khonde & CVA power struggle of that particular station?

If your neutrality is being compromised will the Veld flow slow?

The Veld must flow.... Wink


I and thousands like me will make sure it stays in Chribba's hands as a true-neutral Station YARRRR!!

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2010.10.25 09:26:00 - [10]
 

The thing being with the standings and the "true neutral" when it comes to the calculations is that I don't have any personal/corp/alliance standing set to anyone there (except my alts) thus anyone should have been able to dock at "0.0" setting - but they couldn't.

Seems the -10.0 solved it though - or pilots that get errors are not reporting it to me so I am aware of it. As far as the discount stuff goes it ranges from -10.0 to 10.0 as well, so the 0-100 isn't accurate - which makes it even more confusing yeah. Wiki talks about some standing*discount formula but it just don't make sense.

Thanks for all replies hopefully I got it all set up correctly now so it is open for everyone.

@How does it feel, it feels quite ok and whatever happends happends. Hopefully it is more use to everyone in my hands than as a locked place for some smaller entity.

/c

Njana Ti
Posted - 2010.10.25 11:36:00 - [11]
 

Chribba has a station? Gotta go there and check for love cans Very Happy

Where is your cottage???

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2010.10.25 17:14:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Njana Ti
Chribba has a station? Gotta go there and check for love cans Very Happy

Where is your cottage???

Providence - 9UY4-H

Chribbas Cottage Unity Station aka Chribbas got Sov again!


TheBlueMonkey
Gallente
Fags R Us
Posted - 2010.10.26 07:19:00 - [13]
 

Congrats on the station Chribba.

Although, you're making it completely free? You're a better man than I ;)

Dasola
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.10.26 12:22:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: TheBlueMonkey
Congrats on the station Chribba.

Although, you're making it completely free? You're a better man than I ;)


I tought that was the idea why Chribba was choosen to run it, so its free place of commerse to everyone in middle of nowhere.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.10.26 12:31:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Dasola
Originally by: TheBlueMonkey
Congrats on the station Chribba.

Although, you're making it completely free? You're a better man than I ;)


I tought that was the idea why Chribba was choosen to run it, so its free place of commerse to everyone in middle of nowhere.


Well 9UY is reasonably accessible from hi-sec as 0.0 systems go.

Speaking for myself I'm delighted to see Chribba get his station. Long may he keep it, and I hope the experiment is a success.


 

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