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K'orbin Hayato
Burning Technologies
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2010.10.21 01:13:00 - [61]
 

Why are profiles set to public by default?

The default should be everything private. Or is this a ploy to make everyone login once so you can brag about how many people 'use' this thing?

Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.10.21 01:23:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Devblog
The Contact labels are a new feature in the client and EVE Gate and work as replacement to the old contact folders in game. This means you will again be able to group your contacts into neat little categories, making organization of your friends and foes lists easy and simple.
I laughed when I read that, and then I thought that you are probably serious, and I was sad... Crying or Very sad

Noun Verber
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.21 01:32:00 - [63]
 

Do we really need to log in after every patch to disable any new settings on eve gate? Make it opt in rather than opt out.

Also, why do we need to go through eve gate to get to the forums? I can understand that you think/hope that we will stop on the way through due to more exposure to it but it is not useful.

Eve gate currently lets us check mail out of game and look up characters, which we will do if we want but don't make us use it if we don't want to.

Desire Me2
Posted - 2010.10.21 02:29:00 - [64]
 

Public profiles are a completely unnecessary invasion. Why do I have to protect the privacy of my profile in this game????? Big thumbs down! Troubling, CCP.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.10.21 04:02:00 - [65]
 

hey hey hey hey HEY HEY HEY HEY!

I don't see a single word on if our post count will carry over!

any official stance on this from any devs?

T'Amber
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2010.10.21 04:28:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: TornSoul
Quote:

New contact limit

After implementing the new contact system, one of the things we heard from players was that 300 contacts was not enough in many cases. This is a good example of how important your feedback is in helping us evolve EVE Gate. In this particular case we went back and reworked it so that now you can have as many as 1024 contacts.



You'll get half, and only half, a YaY! for this one.

But please make it 2048 instead... please please... Sugar on the top..

Good news is that I'll again be able to add The BIG Lottery winners to the address book of BIG Games.

The bad news is that TornSoul still has 1200+ in the address book(*), and as such pretty much can't use it at all anymore...

So once more.... up it to 2048 please...


(*)No I've never added war targets etc - It's all people I've one way or another have had dealings with




This.

Making Eve:Gate useful as a tool for public event organisers would be (using the technical term) awesome.


MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.10.21 05:08:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 21/10/2010 05:09:41
Originally by: T'Amber
Originally by: TornSoul
Quote:

New contact limit

After implementing the new contact system, one of the things we heard from players was that 300 contacts was not enough in many cases. This is a good example of how important your feedback is in helping us evolve EVE Gate. In this particular case we went back and reworked it so that now you can have as many as 1024 contacts.



You'll get half, and only half, a YaY! for this one.

But please make it 2048 instead... please please... Sugar on the top..

Good news is that I'll again be able to add The BIG Lottery winners to the address book of BIG Games.

The bad news is that TornSoul still has 1200+ in the address book(*), and as such pretty much can't use it at all anymore...

So once more.... up it to 2048 please...


(*)No I've never added war targets etc - It's all people I've one way or another have had dealings with




This.

Making Eve:Gate useful as a tool for public event organizers would be (using the technical term) awesome.




well maybe like with reinforced nodes, they could make it so you can petition to have an increased address book for an event/contest?

SwissChris1
Playboy Delivery Service
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2010.10.21 06:49:00 - [68]
 

About the forum,

will you add a post count next to the character name & picture? I feel like this would help to build a forum reputation. Also, it would be nice to be able to rate a user (+1/-1) so that we can punish trolls and reward people that are actually helpful.

My 0.02 isk

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.10.21 07:09:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: SwissChris1
About the forum,

will you add a post count next to the character name & picture? I feel like this would help to build a forum reputation. Also, it would be nice to be able to rate a user (+1/-1) so that we can punish trolls and reward people that are actually helpful.

My 0.02 isk


or if you still feel bad about having forum post count (I remember a long time ago a dev posted they didn't like it because everyones opinions should be equal.

how about a hybrid?

No post count, but some sorta post level? based on how many posts they have been thumbed up and down?

you know, like the TED talks website. Every user has a number which equals all the likes and dislikes of his posts.

then make it so people can thumbs up or dumbs down a post. Now the trick is don't show how many thumbs up or down a post has. But show how many the user has total.

Then it's not based on post count, but on the quality of said posts.

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2010.10.21 08:48:00 - [70]
 

Great stuff. We use F*CK editor al well and it's nice. The EVE voice news is very suprising and pretty awesome, but probably will just use ts3.
Not gonna cry over making my game character profile public, being an attention ***** anyways Embarassed, but haven't we been down this road before ? ugh

Superform
Caldari
Executive Intervention
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2010.10.21 09:32:00 - [71]
 

only when I can change my training queue from eve gate will I care

Malakar Ardeshir
Posted - 2010.10.21 09:42:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Malakar Ardeshir on 21/10/2010 09:43:43
Originally by: Commander Azrael
Eve voice from eve gate is nice but the really impressive part will be when you let us access corp chat from out of game Very Happy

This. Also when it happens we should be able to set alert words. So if somebody uses one of your alert words the browser plays a sound. That way one could have EveGate running in the background, while doing something else, while getting an audio notification when somebody posts your name, or whatever words you want to be notified about.

Siiee
Recycled Heroes
Posted - 2010.10.21 10:45:00 - [73]
 

What's up with more of this opt-out BS? Why am I being forced to be a part of your social networking experiments and corporate epeen waving?

Having a grace period is just rubbing it in. You're outright admitting that you know that it's not in everyones best interests, but you're still forcing the default anyway.

Mallikanth
Posted - 2010.10.21 11:18:00 - [74]
 

I only see two issues here:

1) The one mention in almost every post "Why are profiles set to public by default?"
2) I hope the monitoring of the systems improves over the existing eve gate. It seems to rely on General Discussion forum posts telling you about it at the moment.

Having said that, I like the ideas and concept. I'm looking forward to a functional and reliable update to eve gate and long may it continue to evolve.



Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
Posted - 2010.10.21 11:24:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Chribba
edit/wtf is it with you and making our character information PUBLIC all the time!? The DEFAULT should be PRIVATE!! Grace period or not - it should be private! Those wanting to make it public need to change that themselves, as this will affect inactive accounts by default as well - and those can't be changed unless activated...

Srsly! Private is the standard route to take in the web 2.0 world.


THIS!

I can't understand why anybody wantz his data seen from the public - and I can in no way see why a setting to hide those data should be set NO by default. This is not the way anyone should go.

De'Vadder
Minmatar
Dissonance Corp
BLACK-MARK
Posted - 2010.10.21 11:50:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Ephemeral Waves
Quote:
By default, profiles will be set to „public",...


Are you ****ing ******ed? Didn't you learn anything from the screaming when you originally rolled out that spacebook thing or the screaming when Facebook ****ed their privacy settings? Or what about when googled ****ed their privacy settings?

Stop ****ing around with privacy settings. Default should be "private". I should NOT have to log into your stupid website to protect MY privacy!



You best be trolling.
But given the obvious enjoyment of most forum users to screaming at CCP your probably not.
Did you even read that thing?
It states that 'public' means, people not locked into Gate will be able to see the same things that people can see who do log into Evegate. And you really thing there is just one person out there who gives anything about your characters infotmation who doesnt have an Account that he could log into Evegate? Riiiight.

Apart from that, its a game. They arent showing your home address. They arent showing your name. They are showing those informations about your internet spaceships character to non-Eve-players which you have decided to show Eve-players. Your a crazy person. And so is everybody flaming about this completely unimportant public/private thing. Probably as me now :(

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.10.21 12:31:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: De'Vadder
It states that 'public' means, people not locked into Gate will be able to see the same things that people can see who do log into Evegate.
In other words "public" is short hand for "availble for bot scraping."
Quote:
And you really thing there is just one person out there who gives anything about your characters infotmation who doesnt have an Account that he could log into Evegate? Riiiight
In other words, the "public" setting serves absolutely no useful purpose whatsoever and shouldn't even exist.
Quote:
Apart from that, its a game.
Yes, it's a game, where occasionally people are intent on winning, which often involves knowing as much as possible about your opponent, which in turn means that people will happily do large data collection operations to get that slight edge. If people want to give out this valuable information to their game opponents, they should be the ones making that choice, not have the choice foisted upon them and have to jump through hoops (no matter how tiny) in order to change that choice.

"Public" should always default to "no", no matter where it appears. Always. No exceptions.

And CCP are stupid if they don't set that default correctly. Literally stupid — no hyperbole, no trolling, just plain old stupid.

Mme Pinkerton
The pink win
Posted - 2010.10.21 14:20:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 21/10/2010 14:21:57
Originally by: Tippia
In other words, the "public" setting serves absolutely no useful purpose whatsoever and shouldn't even exist.

search-engine optimization for eveonline.com/evegate.com?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.10.21 14:32:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
search-engine optimization for eveonline.com/evegate.com?
Like I said, no useful purpose.

Traelox
Posted - 2010.10.21 15:26:00 - [80]
 

Features and Ideas Post (Oh no!)

Can you make the training queue skills link to wiki.eveonline.com's associated item-database page for the skillbook? I find myself wasting way too much time at work planning out skill queuses and changes for when I get home, and I usually do with with both EveGate and wiki.eveonline, or eveiverse.com open in another tab, because for the life of me, sometimes I just can't remember the specific features of a given skill. Without the links I need to search for each item I have a question on.

It would be slick to just, you know, click on the skill name and link to the associated item-database article on wiki.eveonline.com It's a small time savings, but still desired.

kinda like the 'show info' right click option on in-game items. consistency across platforms is nice.

Thanks!

Ehranavaar
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.21 15:38:00 - [81]
 

who the bleep decided the default condition for your profile should be positive???

major mistake that would be.

TheLostPenguin
Posted - 2010.10.21 16:24:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: TheLostPenguin on 21/10/2010 16:29:10
Edited by: TheLostPenguin on 21/10/2010 16:28:36
Really CCP, just WHY? Did you somehow miss the truckload of posts complaining about when you set everything to public by default last time? Has nobody looked up the figures for % of active accounts that set everything to private within the first lets say 2 weeks of spacebook first launching? Making a silly decision that serves only to annoy a fair bunch (probaly a large majority) of your customers once is pretty silly, to then go and do the exact same thing a short while later is just plain dumb.

That said it's nice to see a bit of iteration on more of the background parts of EVE, if you just stop making silly decisions like this you'll get a far warmer response to all your hard work, as it is you're just spoiling things over one issue.

ps as someone else mentioned please someone at CCP grow a pair and come in here to explain your thinking behind this, sure you'll get flamed to hell but at least have the balls to openly stand by and explain your logic instead of falling back on the old wall of silence tactic that ****es people off about as much as the original decision.

*fixed typos, also never realised that a four letter slang term for urinating was offensive enough to warrant being swear-filteredugh

Zirator
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2010.10.21 18:36:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: CCP Rhayger
Originally by: Aineko Macx
Yay, more options I need to set to private Rolling Eyes

Will you preserve 100% of the existing content when moving to the new forum?


The plan is to keep the existing forum up in read-only mode so you can reference/copy over the content and we will start the new forums up from scratch. Porting over the content from a wholly different database structure was a nightmarish consideration to say the least


Nice to see that at least someone from CCP is responding to the feedback brought up in this topic. But Rhayger why no reply to the issue that is brought up the most in this topic?

In case your wondering what I mean it has to with "public by default".

James Razor
Amarr
Fallen Angel's
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.10.21 19:53:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Chribba
Edited by: Chribba on 21/10/2010 06:54:45
I am ver much lookong forward to the forums and what impact they will have on eve-search. Or will these new forums only be corp/alliance ones? ... maybe I will have to wait for that other blog..

edit/wtf is it with you and making our character information PUBLIC all the time!? The DEFAULT should be PRIVATE!! Grace period or not - it should be private! Those wanting to make it public need to change that themselves, as this will affect inactive accounts by default as well - and those can't be changed unless activated...

Srsly! Private is the standard route to take in the web 2.0 world.

/c


Well, CCP realy seems to be unable to learn. There have been a lot of protestst about the first introduction and the privacy settings than. Now they do it again. Srsly, u are violating my privacy rights with such ****-.-

Colfax Jones
Caldari
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2010.10.21 21:12:00 - [85]
 

looking forward to the update.

De'Vadder
Minmatar
Dissonance Corp
BLACK-MARK
Posted - 2010.10.21 23:49:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Tippia
If people want to give out this valuable information to their game opponents...


I just checked your Gate page after locking in and i have to say, there is not much valuable information.
And everyone who is willing to create a crawler to gather information can log into Gate before he launches it. This feature basically changes nothing.

My whole point is that i believe most people here just see 'public' and put their flame suit on. Im only trying to explain what the devblog says and that there is no reason to go crazy.
And it only says that public means that people without an account can see what those after loging in can see anyways.
Why CCP decides to default to public is beyound my understanding as they got to have expected those tears. And i dont care at all tbh as the feature changes absolutely nothing.

Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.22 02:36:00 - [87]
 

One important thing that I hope you fix, is page refreshes. Every button I click on the current EveGate refreshes the screen and it flashes a white screen while the page reloads. Haven't we moved past this?

Also, will you be using html5 to make our experience smoother? I hope so, as it's supported on all platforms now.

SwissChris1
Playboy Delivery Service
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2010.10.22 06:54:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: SwissChris1
About the forum,

will you add a post count next to the character name & picture? I feel like this would help to build a forum reputation. Also, it would be nice to be able to rate a user (+1/-1) so that we can punish trolls and reward people that are actually helpful.

My 0.02 isk


or if you still feel bad about having forum post count (I remember a long time ago a dev posted they didn't like it because everyones opinions should be equal.

how about a hybrid?

No post count, but some sorta post level? based on how many posts they have been thumbed up and down?

you know, like the TED talks website. Every user has a number which equals all the likes and dislikes of his posts.

then make it so people can thumbs up or dumbs down a post. Now the trick is don't show how many thumbs up or down a post has. But show how many the user has total.

Then it's not based on post count, but on the quality of said posts.


Yep, this is exactly what I want Smile

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.10.22 10:52:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: SwissChris1
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: SwissChris1
About the forum,

will you add a post count next to the character name & picture? I feel like this would help to build a forum reputation. Also, it would be nice to be able to rate a user (+1/-1) so that we can punish trolls and reward people that are actually helpful.

My 0.02 isk


or if you still feel bad about having forum post count (I remember a long time ago a dev posted they didn't like it because everyones opinions should be equal.

how about a hybrid?

No post count, but some sorta post level? based on how many posts they have been thumbed up and down?

you know, like the TED talks website. Every user has a number which equals all the likes and dislikes of his posts.

then make it so people can thumbs up or dumbs down a post. Now the trick is don't show how many thumbs up or down a post has. But show how many the user has total.

Then it's not based on post count, but on the quality of said posts.


Yep, this is exactly what I want Smile


WOAH I must of been of been really tired when I read your post I completely glazed over the end of your post and just read "can we have post count"

haha

but yeah I love it : )

in fact I'm happy with eve-search having post count, but a user rating would be brillant. maybe even let users block out posters with really really bad ratings?

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.10.23 02:41:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: mazzilliu on 23/10/2010 02:45:06
Originally by: James Razor
Originally by: Chribba
Edited by: Chribba on 21/10/2010 06:54:45
I am ver much lookong forward to the forums and what impact they will have on eve-search. Or will these new forums only be corp/alliance ones? ... maybe I will have to wait for that other blog..

edit/wtf is it with you and making our character information PUBLIC all the time!? The DEFAULT should be PRIVATE!! Grace period or not - it should be private! Those wanting to make it public need to change that themselves, as this will affect inactive accounts by default as well - and those can't be changed unless activated...

Srsly! Private is the standard route to take in the web 2.0 world.

/c


Well, CCP realy seems to be unable to learn. There have been a lot of protestst about the first introduction and the privacy settings than. Now they do it again. Srsly, u are violating my privacy rights with such ****-.-

CCP is not releasing any previously private information with these "public" profiles. I don't think you guys understand this issue completely. You have no right to privacy with information that is publicly available and has been for a long time. i dont even understand why ccp introduced this feature in this way because there is zero element of privacy involved with this. but now people have read the word "privacy" and it means something different to them despite the specific facts of the issue.

literally all the current sc****r programs for eve gate would have to change NO settings to get around this privacy restriction. it is a laughably terrible security measure, that guards nothing of value and can be bypassed with zero effort.


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