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Langbaobao
Posted - 2010.10.17 23:38:00 - [1]
 

So far I've always played EVE on a desktop, but soon I'll be moving away to a new place for a job and I won't be bringing my desktop with me (it's pretty old anyway). On my new job I'll have to commute once a week, maybe more, and I'll need a laptop for that, so I was considering my options. Option one is to get a midrange laptop and a new desktop system, while the second option is getting a top line desktop replacement laptop and forgo the desktop altogether.

Anyway, my question is, what is your experience with playing EVE on laptops? I'm particularly interested in how a laptop equipped with a mid range graphic chip like the Mobility Radeon 5650 works, if the framerate is good at mid to high settings, both on a typical laptop screen as well as on an external screen (for example at a 1680x1050 resolution which is often found on relatively cheap 20" screens).

TIA.

Test9042
Posted - 2010.10.17 23:43:00 - [2]
 

I have used a laptop for eve for around 12 months I guess - it is a Dell Studio 1537.

Before Tyrannis expansion came out I ran missions in HS and the laptop ran fine with high graphics settings, then I moved into a wormhole corp.

After Tyrannis came out the laptop works fine in a wormhole, but when I go into HS my client enjoys closing itself almost every time I warp or jump in a populated system. I guess this is due to increased traffic or something, but the game just freezes and I get "CCP Exefile has stopped working..."

This post will serve 2 functions, one, to advise first poster, two, to ask for help about what I can do so I can actually use highsec. :L

Urgg Boolean
Posted - 2010.10.18 00:32:00 - [3]
 

Both my son and I play frequently on our laptops : Toshiba Satellite L505D-S5983. They come with Mobility Radeon HD 4200. The screen is cramped vertically, but nice on the horizontal, but beautiful graphics in true HD. Really benefits from an external monitor.

Never had lock up problems, but never done PvP on this machine either.

One thing I do notice, the laptop automatically throttles it's CPU to save power, and that caused a lot of lag. I had to set power rules while plugged in to essentially "eat max power", and it now performs beautifully. Unplugged, the system is constantly throttling down, and it's a problem, so playing on the commuter train may be an issue for you (if that's what you were thinking).

Hopes this helps.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.10.18 00:37:00 - [4]
 

From what I have seen here is my advice:

Get a high end mac and run windows on it.

Yes, I will get flamed for saying it but from what I have seen it works beautifully. I did not try it but a friend did. I did not play for an extended period of time but it looked great while I did.

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.10.18 00:41:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Aiwha on 18/10/2010 00:41:58
Linkage

This is what I use, runs blobby fights great, little overheating issue, but a good cooling table helps. Also, easy to run dual screen. I <3 my dual screens.

Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
Posted - 2010.10.18 00:42:00 - [6]
 

I took my aging desktop apart 2 years ago and sold the bits.

Since then I have only had my Acer Aspire 6920G laptop.

It's a bit old now, but with a Core2 Duo T9300 (2.5Ghz 6Mb L2 Cache) and Geforce 9500M GS (overclocked) it runs EVE fine @ 1920x1080.

Taxesarebad
Posted - 2010.10.18 01:31:00 - [7]
 

i have 3200 mobility radeon and run high detail fine.

Pshychotic Pyro
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.10.18 01:34:00 - [8]
 

I run eve on a toshiba satellite its about 2 years old now. It locks up from time to time for a couple seconds but i do have the FX and stuff set low. The laggy pat is if your running two accounts and switching between the two it gives a some issues there.

Brannor McThife
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.10.18 01:44:00 - [9]
 

A year ago, I got myself a Toshiba Qosmio X505 and since then I stopped using my desktop. I use it together with the desktop's "old" HP 22" WS LCD.

That model came with a 1GB GTS250M (DDR5), but was the 1680x945 res (LCD is 1680x1050).
It's also an i7-720M.

Depending on your budget, you can easily get a far better one than mine today for anywhere around US$1500. Even though it is an 18.4" desktop replacement, it IS far more mobile than moving a desktop around, and you can take it on flights with you.

I'm happy I got this last year, and the only thing I'm doing now is getting an SSD for it.

-G

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2010.10.18 03:20:00 - [10]
 

I use a Asus G60JX-RBBX05.

Best bang for your buck.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2010.10.18 03:37:00 - [11]
 

just make sure whatever you buy has ShaderModel 3.0 (or better) support http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=800

I had a laptop I bought in 2005, ran eve nicely until it died an untimely death (few months back) Sad

pretty much any laptop you buy these days should do a fine job, well unless you get one with one the craptastic onboard graphics card thingys.

Langbaobao
Posted - 2010.10.18 03:38:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Langbaobao on 18/10/2010 04:10:43
Edited by: Langbaobao on 18/10/2010 04:10:18
Edited by: Langbaobao on 18/10/2010 03:39:50
Thanks for the posts guys.

I basically had two solutions, as I mentioned above. First is to get a midrange laptop and a new desktop. Second to go straight for a desktop replacement.

The thing is, in either case I was planning to get the laptop before I move, so I can install all the software and break it in. Even in the case I do get the desktop eventually, I will be using the laptop for the first 2-3 months until I find an apartment and get settled in, so I want it to be able to run EVE at medium to high settings, if possible on an external screen at 1680x1050 resolution.

I've been really tempted to get the HP Envy 17 right away since it seems like a sweet laptop, toting a 17" screen, an i7 and a Mob. Radeon 5850. However I'm a bit concerned about it's portability (albeit the Envy 17 is on the lighter side of desktop replacement laptops) since it weighs at about 3.3-3.4 kg, which is quite a lot. I wouldn't mind it much, except for the fact that I know I'll be commuting at least once a week on a train for a 100 km there and back, and as my recent experience when hauling a laptop with me on a plane trip has taught me, every gram matters.

If I do go the laptop+desktop route I was thinking on getting one of those cheaper 15.6" laptops with an i5 and a Radeon 5650 or 5730 (same processor, different clock) like the Lenovo Y560 or a HP Pavillion. They usually weigh at around 2.6-2.8 kg, which is still a hefty load, but definitely less then a true desktop replacement. I'm hoping the fact that EVE is not an FPS is gonna help with that. After all, Crysis drags it's feet even on desktops. :)

So, in conclusion. If an i5 coupled with a mobility radeon 5650 is enough to run EVE smoothly at mid-high settings on an external 1680x1050 screen I think I'll go for the midrange laptop...

Brannor McThife
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.10.18 03:40:00 - [13]
 

Avoid HP.

Buy Asus, or Toshiba. Asus is still #1 for build quality.

-G

Ascendic
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.10.18 03:47:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Ascendic on 18/10/2010 03:51:51
Edited by: Ascendic on 18/10/2010 03:50:08
Best suggestion is to never buy from any of the standard retail stores. If you want a great laptop you need to get one custom made by a good manufacturer.

I would suggest Voodoo PC as they were the best in the world, but after HP bought them they have not been the same. A shame really as they were also based in my city.

This is the next best thing and you will NOT be disappointed. If you don't believe me go look up some reviews.

http://www.falcon-nw.com/

Edit: If you want a true desktop replacement laptop, look at the DRX line. You will pay more obviously as it is a laptop. For something more ridrange check the TLX.

Edit 2: This is the custom configurator to make it easier for you link

Luminak Narz
Posted - 2010.10.18 04:12:00 - [15]
 

Confirming that Eve runs very well on a Mac book pro, both with Mac/cider client, and boot camped with windows 7. Mac client has significantly improved. Let's face it, all other laptops look stupid ;p. If your Corp uses teamspeak, better to just boot into windows.

Ascendic
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.10.18 04:51:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Luminak Narz
Confirming that Eve runs very well on a Mac book pro, both with Mac/cider client, and boot camped with windows 7. Mac client has significantly improved. Let's face it, all other laptops look stupid ;p. If your Corp uses teamspeak, better to just boot into windows.


Spoken like a true mac fanboi....someone who buys a computer based on looks Laughing

Grantness
Defenders of Order
Posted - 2010.10.18 04:58:00 - [17]
 

I moved overseas for work and have been playing on my Asus UL80VT for the last 3~ months. It has worked great and I recommend the laptop if you're looking for something portable with great battery life outside of gaming.

NewGit
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.18 05:42:00 - [18]
 

I've been playing on "off the shelf" Toshiba laptops for about 1 1/2 years now. Because of where I work/live and travelling frequently, a desktop would be a waste of time and money at this point.
I normally run up to 4 clients at a time, all on "high" graphic settings and the only problems I experience (usually) have to do with poor internet connections.
At work all we have is a satellite connection that fluctuates (speed-wise) and lags at the best of times. Where I'm living now I only have ADSL but it runs like lightning in comparison.

I don't find it to be a big deal when travelling. Most airlines let me take a carry-on as well as the laptop, which is kind of dumb. If I stick the laptop in the carry-on, they tell me it's too heavy and will have to go as checked baggage. I take the laptop out and suddenly I can take both as carry-on. Rolling Eyes
I usually stick my wireless keyboard/mouse in the carry on along with a change of clothes and that's about it.
I use an external monitor at work, and the spare 32" TV at home. Sticking with the laptop also means I don't have to be downloading updates (and patches to patches to patches) on two different machines all the time.
I may consider getting a high end gaming laptop sometime in the future, but as this COTS laptop seems to be doing fine, there's no rush.

CCP Jericho

Posted - 2010.10.18 08:48:00 - [19]
 

Moved from EVE General Discussion.

Ben'euto
Posted - 2010.10.18 10:23:00 - [20]
 

I spend 2 nights a week in a hotel room and tend to stick to lightweight activities like trade on those nights. First problem is the mobile broadband is borderline usable. Sometimes they give me free broadband in the room which is ok but even then I love it when I am back home with the 24 inch screen.

As far as laptops go, you dont need anything special for EVE. I've got a Thinkpad T61 which is a few years old and its fine. Just make sure you get something better than Intel graphics - mine has Nvidia Quadro NVS 140M.

Its the small screen (15") that's the biggest letdown. You could get one of those desktop replacements but you'll probably regret having to lug it around everywhere.

Raquel Smith
Caldari
Freedom-Technologies
Sev3rance
Posted - 2010.10.18 11:10:00 - [21]
 

There is certainly a sweet spot for screen size. I've played on 13.3" MacBook, a 15.4" MacBook Pro, and a 46" HD plasma tv at 1080p hooked up to a Mac Mini. I've played on a 20" iMac, and a 19" LCD panel.

While Eve is extremely beautiful at 46" in HD it's just not playable :( There's no "10 foot interface". Anyways, I digress. This thread is about laptops.

I'm a Mac fangirl. The poster above who mentioned buying a Mac and running Eve in native Windows has a great idea. Back when I bought my first MacBook Pro (15.4") I put Boot Camp on it to run Windows and got 70+ FPS in Eve full screen. I imagine now with premium graphics on the newest MacBook Pro (15.4") in Windows frame rate ov well over 100 FPS could be reached - I get 40 FPS in space in a POS in OS X. If you're looking for a pure speed setup don't discount a Mac running Windows. Or just run it in OS X. :) It's good enough!

Build quality of Apple hardware is simply not matched by any other vendor, but you will certainly pay a premium for the hardware.

flame on!

Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
Posted - 2010.10.18 12:15:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Ultim8Evil on 18/10/2010 12:16:35
Originally by: Raquel Smith
...but you will certainly pay a premium for the hardware...


Many lulz at this comment.

If there's one thing you DON'T get for your money with Apple products, it's hardware!

The premium is for eyecatching candy-coloured plastics, fancy LEDs, the fact that [insert random cool celebrity] is being paid to be photgraphed/filmed "using" it, a huge marketing/PR campaign and the increased development costs associated with trying to make things work with them.

Apple "premium" hardware

Marissa Rin
Posted - 2010.10.18 13:35:00 - [23]
 

I agree, the screen is definitely a sore spot when playing on a laptop. Not so much for it's quality but for the fact that 95% of the new laptops use 16:9 screens, which is complete nonsense. 15.6" screens on laptops these days have usually a 1366x768 resolution, which means extremely small vertical size. For someone that keeps the local window open on the whole left side of the screen and a extended overview+fleet on the right side it's a joke, a cruel one at that. I think the only manufacturer that uses 16:10 screens these days is MSI on it's gaming laptops. Hence why I'm thinking of using an external screen because in any case I'll be gaming on the laptop for a few months while I settle and organize everything.

Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.10.18 17:27:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
From what I have seen here is my advice:

Get a high end mac and run windows on it.

Yes, I will get flamed for saying it but from what I have seen it works beautifully. I did not try it but a friend did. I did not play for an extended period of time but it looked great while I did.

Mac
Intel cpu
Windows OS

Everybody Else
Intel or AMD cpu
Windows OS

I don't see any point to buy Mac in order to run EVE in Windows. The fact that average Mac is more expansive is factor against Mac too.


Ascendic
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.10.18 23:54:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Ascendic on 18/10/2010 23:56:35
Originally by: Raquel Smith
There is certainly a sweet spot for screen size. I've played on 13.3" MacBook, a 15.4" MacBook Pro, and a 46" HD plasma tv at 1080p hooked up to a Mac Mini. I've played on a 20" iMac, and a 19" LCD panel.

While Eve is extremely beautiful at 46" in HD it's just not playable :( There's no "10 foot interface". Anyways, I digress. This thread is about laptops.

I'm a Mac fangirl. The poster above who mentioned buying a Mac and running Eve in native Windows has a great idea. Back when I bought my first MacBook Pro (15.4") I put Boot Camp on it to run Windows and got 70+ FPS in Eve full screen. I imagine now with premium graphics on the newest MacBook Pro (15.4") in Windows frame rate ov well over 100 FPS could be reached - I get 40 FPS in space in a POS in OS X. If you're looking for a pure speed setup don't discount a Mac running Windows. Or just run it in OS X. :) It's good enough!

Build quality of Apple hardware is simply not matched by any other vendor, but you will certainly pay a premium for the hardware.

flame on!


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