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Kulan Reyla
Posted - 2010.10.14 20:42:00 - [1]

Edited by: Kulan Reyla on 14/10/2010 21:20:37
Long-story short, i've been in highsec most of my time in EVE (little over a year, but still i feel like a total newb) and recently lived in lowsec aswell. I've visited wormholes a few times and nullsec regions on scouting alts.

I've been in a bit of a funk recently trying to find a good mix of gameplay (between pve and pvp, both of which I like). I pirated a bit solo and with a couple mates. I ran a lot of missions. I made an alt to do some trading and research (currently inactive account because i got bored with it).

So right now i'm just looking for a general destination, but it seems everywhere I look the detractors out-weigh the proponents. Eamples:

**Caveat: these are not my own opinions, but paraphrased from post reading i've done over the last few weeks**

Wormholes: They're rich with loot, all kinds of resources, but they are death traps and have a tendency to go dry for days on end with nothing to do but pack up and move. Too much tedium with d-scan and necessary equipment.

Highsec: PvP is docking games and neutral RR, PvE is missions and those are tiresome after a while though decent isk. Generally not a place to play with others, but more like a solo zone.

Lowsec: God-awful resources unless you happpen to dislodge a POS from a nice moon (good luck keeping that). Supercaps hotdrop at random, making organized fleets with caps seldom seen. FW blobs abound and FW itself is broken to bits and frequently stagnant. The pvp is only one step removed from the docking games in highsec. The pve is a challenge, but the rewards are minimally better than highsec.

Nullsec: The pvp is great, but often plagued by lag. Supercap fleets make meaningful territory wars incredibly lopsided if they happen at all. Armor HAC + logistsics and drakefleet+scimitars roam in the hundreds. Non-standard ships are shunned. Resources are rich, but where they are rich a massive alliance has control and you are not welcome unless you become a heavily taxed renter. NPC nullsec is incredibly camped and dangerous.

**Caveat: these are not my own opinions, but paraphrased from post reading i've done over the last few weeks**

With all of that said, what destination, in your opinions, is the most promising for the future? I'm a fairly casual player who puts in a few hours a nigh and more on weekends so I don't plan to pack up and move overnight, but probably a few months from now i'll be looking for a change of scenery from highsec mission space (hopefully with a fat enough wallet and the necesary skills to function well in my new home, wherever it is).

Thanks in advance

Posted - 2010.10.14 21:10:00 - [2]

Originally by: Kulan Reyla

With all of that said, what destination, in your opinions, is the most promising for the future?

The one that leads to a good corp. Whatever you do every thing can become horrible if the folk you are with a whining and *****ing all day long.

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2010.10.14 21:13:00 - [3]

Thanks for writing that. Now I want to swallow a bottle of sleeping pills and wash it down with a last bottle of Quafe...


New clone activated!


Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.10.14 21:14:00 - [4]

Edited by: Akita T on 14/10/2010 21:16:08

Most of the "bad stuff" is true, but each of those areas also has "good stuff" in it, and you barely touched those parts.
You won't find anything that's all milk and honey, if something like that existed, almost everybody would be living there.
If you go by sheer number of people doing it, you'd reach the conclusion that an overwhelming majority will suggest highsec, then 0.0 and wormholes about evenly split, and lowsec with least recommendations.

Ultimately, it's not something WE can give you an answer to, because it amounts to personal preferences.
Just try out everything for a while (a few weeks, a month, maybe a couple of months) and then in the end decide what you feel is better for you.
There is no "universally right" answer. It's only "this one, *I* like more, right now".

P.S. Although, given your apparent attitude, I'd be STRONGLY inclined towards suggesting sticking with highsec.

Kulan Reyla
Posted - 2010.10.14 21:19:00 - [5]

Edited by: Kulan Reyla on 14/10/2010 21:21:10
Sorry if it was a depressing post, those are not my own opinions (as i mentioned, edited for clarity), but just what i'd gathered from reading. Essentially i'm in no financial shape to just try everything out right now and i'd rather not just corp-hop until something clicked (seems like that would significantly reduce my chance of getting into a good corp later on). So I wanted to hear from others before I get the ball rolling.

More or less I was looking for the good points of those options (since that's what you DON'T often read on these forums).

Vernon Doyle
Posted - 2010.10.14 21:24:00 - [6]

I'm just a newb myself (looking at three months coming up soon), but i'm quite content with highsec right now. I found a mentor who's helping me learn the ropes of mission running and industry and i've got several chat channels full of friendly people who certainly help make my time enjoyable in-game.

I ultimately would like to be a part of a big player empire in 0.0, but i've decided to make that jump in a year or so when I feel more adequate and can apply to a corporation without blushing at my skillpoint count. Wink

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.10.14 21:32:00 - [7]

Edited by: Akita T on 14/10/2010 21:37:14

Good points ? Well...

Highsec :
* excellent for traders, in fact, I dare say really profitable large-scale trading is ONLY possible in highsec (and in particular Jita44)
* great for large-scale industrialists, synergy with large-scale traders
* decent source of (higher level) mission-running income, since most of it comes from bounties, loot and salvage, not end-of-mission rewards
* relative security as long as you don't do something monumentally stupid like pimp your ship with 10++ bil ISK worth of droppable mods
* very easy to find a halfway decent corporation since nobody shoots you first before even saying hello

FW lowsec:
* if part of the militia, pretty fun overall, and not THAT much less safe than highsec

Non-FW lowsec :
* maybe, just maybe the chance for once in a blue moon some smidgen of good small scale PvP

NPC-controlled 0.0:
* always can dock at stations there so you can go there solo (not a very good idea, but you CAN)
* might be able to get on friendly terms with the locals... eventually
* good for "manual labor" income, be it belt ratting, mining or mission-running
* decent for industrialists, since competition is far less cutthroat than in highsec

Alliance-controlled 0.0 :
--ONLY enter if part of a friendly alliance, else 99.99% chance of death sooner rather than later--
* great for "manual labor" income, anything from belt ratting, anomalies or complexes to mining
* safety level comparable to highsec if you pay attention to the intel channels
* BE A BLOB (part) !

W-space (C1/C2) :
* easy in, easy out, moderate risk, nice rewards, easily soloable
* good PI revenue with far less risk than 0.0

W-space (C3/C4) :
* good for small to medium sized corps with decent organisation, better than NPC 0.0 in most aspects (except availability of missions)

W-space (C5/C6) :
* insanely good rewards, but only in well organized medium-to-large sized corps

Settledown Yankabitch
Posted - 2010.10.14 21:34:00 - [8]

This is why I rarely make a serious post on the forums. People who do tend to unleash their angst (irl and in-game) on the boards like it was their therapist.

Factoids to counter those opinions (be they your own or ones you allegedly read):

-Highsec: It revolves around wardecs really. Make of it what you will. I've had great fun skirmishing with corps here and there's also something to be said for mission running along with trading as being 'fun' (it's not my bag, but i have mates who really enjoy it). You can fly very pimp ships if you're intelligent enough to keep away from ganks.

-Lowsec: I agree with it being sweet FA for resources, but honestly that isn't what you go to lowsec for. Lowsec is bar-none the best place to find sub-cap skirmishing without a lot of expensive wardecs. The pirate life is my own though, so i'm biased. As a matter of my persoal taste though, I love it here and wouldn't trade my -10 character's lifestyle for anything short of Chribba money. YARRRR!!

-Womrholes: Sorry, can't help you there. I went in a wormhole once to gank an indy pilot, that's the sum of my wormhole experience.

-Nullsec: I'm real bitter about this one, i'll leave that to someone else. Laughing

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2010.10.14 21:51:00 - [9]

Sites in w-space never go dry, because people that actually know what they are doing, don't move into a system with only a static to hisec/lowsec/nulsec.

Instead, they move into a system with a static to the class of system they want to farm; when that system goes dry, they close the wormhole and get a new system to farm.

It takes 4 round-trips in an Orca to close a typical wormhole. With two or three Orca's, it takes only a few minutes to get a new system.

I don't have a clue where my final EVE destination will be. I'm just enjoying the ride.

Poastin Tart
Posted - 2010.10.14 23:44:00 - [10]

Akita with the winning poast as usual.

@OP, Look m8, there's not a lot on the forums people won't **** on about. The good thing about EVE is that you go wherever you please (you might die in some locations faster than others) and you do what you like.

I've spent years in 0.0, both NPC and Sov., and i've enjoyed the vast majority of it. The thing that makes a lot of vets bitter is the fact they forgot the golden rule: Adapt or die (or in their case, post bitter rants on the forums ad nauseum rather than actually play, but continue to subscribe because they're too pathetic to find a new hobbie).

Case in point; I lived in tribute with MM when the chips were down and invasions were seeming to come from all of new eden. Fights were easy to find, corps were going south like a bunch of migrant animals, and combat pilots like myself were ENJOYING EVERY SECOND! Fast forward a year or so to the NC as we see it now. Almost unplayable by comparison. Rife with carebears in leadership positions, etc. Things stagnated then, and many good combat pilots got bitter. But, smart pilots didn't whine. We packed out bags, said our farewells to the good people of the north, and followed what we liked: war. I've since bounced all over the map and been in a lot of fail alliances. My old friends often ask me if I wish I had stayed in Tribute and I always resply the same way: HELL NO! EVE is about what you like to DO, not where you are, not what ship you fly. All of that changes.

6 years of EVE and i'm not bitter. I'm still bringing in friends to the game aswell. Just get out there and enjoy yoruself.


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