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Riffix
The Graduates
Posted - 2010.10.15 01:56:00 - [151]
 

Honestly, this is my new favorite feature of the upcoming expansion. The only problem I see is that it took so long. When you are done with this, do something about the camera! :-)

Xenuchrist
STK Scientific
Rolling Thunder.
Posted - 2010.10.15 02:06:00 - [152]
 

Edited by: Xenuchrist on 15/10/2010 02:07:28
Haven't looked at the new options on sisi yet, but these are the ones I would love to see implemented:

Select next waypoint (if any)
Launch drones / dronegroup
Create BM

Typhado3
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.10.15 02:19:00 - [153]
 

awesome \o/

I foresee many accidental warps and jumps in our future Twisted Evil

Isbe
Posted - 2010.10.15 02:39:00 - [154]
 

Haven't seen it posted yet, so my shortcuttable command wish is: All Drones: Mine Repeatedly.

Victor Valka
Caldari
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2010.10.15 04:11:00 - [155]
 

Well, this is unexpected. Certainly explains why it got so chilly down here, in Hell. Evil or Very Mad

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2010.10.15 05:53:00 - [156]
 

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU !

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.15 06:16:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 14/10/2010 17:19:28
Originally by: Hordi LaGeorge
That said, with the new system will there be a UN-FOCUS from chat command, for when I want to start flying vs chatting?
Good point!

It's another one of those things that the whole "<enter> to chat" method has fixed (almost) automatically: the default state is not to have chat focused, and as soon as you send your message, you go back to that state.

Yes, this means hitting <enter> before and after any message, but it's a small price to pay, and as mentioned, it creates a nice rhythm for your muscle memory.

I'm guessing that since <enter> is currently tied to "Accept current dialog window", and this bind can't be changed, they feel that the two would collide, but meh… If you have such an urgent need to enter something into chat, that buy order window you have open can probably be cancelled and left for later: <esc><enter>omgz, wartargets!!<enter>

I would imagine that they don't want people to just press enter and accidentally accept some half-finished market/industry/do-you-really-want-to-jump-into-lowsec warning…


edit: Oh, and another wish list item: could we please be given the ability to unbind "double-click to approach" function, or at least change it to some other mouse/kb combo?


Wile I would prefer <enter> to enter and leave chat mode, if that key is irrevocably tied to "Accept current dialog window" it will create a lot of problems.

Think about people spamming fleet invites to missionrunners/cloaked ships and so on hoping to get them when they are hitting enter. It could really ruin the day for them even if they are not falling for that, simply having a constant pop up from people hoping to get you will be very annoying.

Paknac Queltel
Baden's Army
Posted - 2010.10.15 06:37:00 - [158]
 

Awesome! Finally! Shortcuts!

Originally by: CCP Optimal's blog
To be able to do shortcuts properly, we saw no other option than discontinuing the current "set-chat-focus-on-any-key" functionality.
That was functionality? I always thought of it as an annoying quirk... Especially when typing in a search box through a session change, and having half of it go into whatever chat is on top.

Waukesha
Amarr
Invictus Australis
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.10.15 06:42:00 - [159]
 

Can we please get the option to set multiple orbit ranges to hotkeys eg. one for 10kms one for 15kms ?

Tradew1nd
Posted - 2010.10.15 07:41:00 - [160]
 

Incarna Having a solid release date, with a portion of it set to hit TQ.

DNF seeing a release date.

Rocket Fixes live on Sisi.

now this.


I think I'll be taking my ice skates to hell for the weekend, weather down there sounds perfect for it.

VonKolroth
Gallente
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.10.15 07:48:00 - [161]
 

Edited by: VonKolroth on 15/10/2010 07:51:11
Absolutely nothing from Incusus sounded appealing to me excluding the toon avatar updates until this, which is something I've been waiting for for quite some time. The only hotkey I really desire is an "unlock Target" and/or "unlock all" hotkeys. These must be added.

Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.10.15 08:08:00 - [162]
 

Edited by: Raimo on 15/10/2010 10:15:31


Partially copypasting my post from the test server forum, and I have not read this thread but this needs to be voiced:

Approach and Align should be the same key shortcut for logical reasons (both are approaching the object, also the on screen button location)

Also, I haven't tested on SISI but read that align and warp default next to each other (A and S), this *will* get people killed, why not use A (approach *AND* align) and W (warp) (more logical as well?) (And swap S for orbit maybe)

And if it's true that CTRL- clicking also *unlocks* targets(devblog said "toggle" so it must be) it's probably one of the better CCP trolls ever, that should obviosly be changed as most people spam CTRL when acquiring targets, as well as misclick on already locked targets... Shift-click for unlock and keep CTRL just for lock or something?

Then there's this hilarious bit that also supports something to be done to the approach key

Quote:
I foresee a few accidents as pilots try to approach and lock a target at the same time (Ctrl+Q by default).

Dapperdrake
Posted - 2010.10.15 08:15:00 - [163]
 

I f***king love you CCP !

Can't wait to see this.

Also, I don't know if this has been answered yhet, but will we be able to swithc targets with a shortcut ? (as ctrl+tab for switching tabs on firefox), this would be clearly awesome.

Taudia
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2010.10.15 08:18:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Raimo

And if it's true that CTRL- clicking also *unlocks* targets(devblog said "toggle" so it must be) it's probably one of the better CCP trolls ever, that should obviosly be changed as most people spam CTRL when acquiring targets, as well as misclick on already locked targets... Shift-click for unlock and keep CTRL just for lock or something?


You can't drop a target that isn't locked, so this would only occur when the lagg is pretty bad. Though if the overview updates while you are spamming...

Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.10.15 08:22:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Taudia
Originally by: Raimo

And if it's true that CTRL- clicking also *unlocks* targets(devblog said "toggle" so it must be) it's probably one of the better CCP trolls ever, that should obviosly be changed as most people spam CTRL when acquiring targets, as well as misclick on already locked targets... Shift-click for unlock and keep CTRL just for lock or something?


You can't drop a target that isn't locked, so this would only occur when the lagg is pretty bad. Though if the overview updates while you are spamming...


Which it will do like anyone who PVP's knows. Let's not chance it, eh?

Sverre Haakonson
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.15 08:29:00 - [166]
 

Please, make it that we can import the configuration for the keys as XML file to make it possible to help noobs in our corps.

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.10.15 08:44:00 - [167]
 

man cant wait to get a drone shortcut for attacking and reurning to cargo hold.


now i am looking forward to expansion :)

Menyet Ikeemoo
Posted - 2010.10.15 09:03:00 - [168]
 

scanning hotkeys, please? Rolling Eyes

Nye Jaran
Posted - 2010.10.15 10:00:00 - [169]
 

Edited by: Nye Jaran on 15/10/2010 10:02:08
Cool idea, but there's some fail in that list of shortcuts. W is orbit but S is warp to? REALLY? Why not get crazy and make W warp to and S orbit? Or even better, make O orbit? Yes it's not the left side of the keyboard, but there won't be people scratching their heads trying to figure out what the hell wrbit means.

Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.10.15 10:13:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: Raimo on 15/10/2010 10:15:09

Originally by: Raimo

Partially copypasting my post from the test server forum, and I have not read this thread but this needs to be voiced:

Approach and Align should be the same key shortcut for logical reasons (both are approaching the object, also the on screen button location)

Also, I haven't tested on SISI but read that align and warp default next to each other (A and S), this *will* get people killed, why not use A (approach *AND* align) and W (warp) (more logical as well?) (And swap S for orbit maybe)

And if it's true that CTRL- clicking also *unlocks* targets(devblog said "toggle" so it must be) it's probably one of the better CCP trolls ever, that should obviosly be changed as most people spam CTRL when acquiring targets, as well as misclick on already locked targets... Shift-click for unlock and keep CTRL just for lock or something?

Then there's this hilarious bit that also supports something to be done to the approach key

Quote:
I foresee a few accidents as pilots try to approach and lock a target at the same time (Ctrl+Q by default).




Quoting myself so I can at least say "told you so" if this stuff hits TQ



ofc I understand defaults are defaults but having to redo them always is a drag - hence:

- swap orbit for S and warp for W

- combine Align and Approach to A, to the same keyboard location like they are in the on-screen buttons (and don't use Q in the defaults at all, CTRL-Q yeah?)

- remove "toggle" from CTRL-targeting, add Shift- or Alt- clicking for "unlock" (Try some actual PVP, especially fast paced small gang stuff if you need to ask why)


If these obvious errors are fixed it is probably going to be a great feature so thanks.


_

Killerhound
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.10.15 10:16:00 - [171]
 

Most of the shortcuts are customizable anyway, so I'd say its a minor problem.

Things that would be awesome to have shortcuts for:

Create Bookmark of actual position - B
Launch Specific Group of Drones (can be assigned for a group) - D
Switch active target - S

MissyDark
Posted - 2010.10.15 10:25:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: MissyDark on 15/10/2010 10:35:10
Oh my god, finally! I love you ccp. Incursion raids stuff is still a fail, but the hotkey revamp is like invention of slice bread - a huge thing.

So... how about WSAD to fly the ship manually? :D

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.10.15 10:45:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: MissyDark
So... how about WSAD to fly the ship manually? :D
They're now tied up to Orbit, Approach, Warp to and Dock, respectively… so close enough? Razz
Originally by: Armoured C
man cant wait to get a drone shortcut for attacking and reurning to cargo hold.
? Why wait? They're in the game already. Confused

CCP Optimal

Posted - 2010.10.15 10:55:00 - [174]
 

There is no need to worry about the new toggle target lock functionality, since it will only unlock the target if you have finished locking, so spam clicking while targeting will not unlock.

Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.10.15 11:24:00 - [175]
 

Edited by: Raimo on 15/10/2010 11:42:22

Originally by: CCP Optimal
There is no need to worry about the new toggle target lock functionality, since it will only unlock the target if you have finished locking, so spam clicking while targeting will not unlock.


Still unacceptable, sorry.

PVP is hectic, misclicks are common and spamming CTRL-click a bit too long after acquiring lock a certainty, so it *IS* something to worry about.

Please revise this design decision or at least make it a preference between lock/unlock toggle and just locking!

(At least I personally rarely unlock stuff manually, either someone pops or gets out of range - I can see the benefit for logistics pilots or big fleets switching targets but it definitely should be a toggle or preferably 2 separate modifier keys)

Edit: Let's repeat the age old question: Are there still devs that PVP? Are there still devs that solo or small gang PVP?

Tankamos
Posted - 2010.10.15 11:25:00 - [176]
 

Since we're on the whole shortcut issue, I would love to see a system to bring up the tag menu.

Let me explain: In wormholes, and in the coming incursion, the ability to tag ships quickly can certainly mean the difference between a tight, and a too tight fit. (See what I did there Shocked)

So say in a wormhole I want to tag all sleeper Keeper ships because they have RR,
I would then press the assigned tag-shortcut (ie. CTRL-T, or maybe just T) and then the key/character I want to that that ship with.

8tone
Posted - 2010.10.15 11:37:00 - [177]
 

Please put bookmarks to overview, i would like to use new keyboard shortcuts on selected bookmark.

Also i would like to have up to 10 or more shortcuts to select overview objects(bookmarks/planet/ship/can/wreck and etc...).

MissyDark
Posted - 2010.10.15 12:01:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: MissyDark
So... how about WSAD to fly the ship manually? :D
They're now tied up to Orbit, Approach, Warp to and Dock, respectively… so close enough? Razz



Actually pretty much it is. I just imagined flying a ceptor with WSAD - cool thing. Although I have second thoughts about the concept - it doesn't work that well in star trek online.

fuckfacemillionare
Posted - 2010.10.15 12:06:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: CCP Optimal
There is no need to worry about the new toggle target lock functionality, since it will only unlock the target if you have finished locking, so spam clicking while targeting will not unlock.



This will be really terrible if there is no option to disable it, or to make it like Raimo said. Please reconsider this for the sake of small gang and solo PVP. If you have not done extensive small gang or solo PVP, please reconsider saying it won't be a problem when you have no idea whether or not it will be.

Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.10.15 12:17:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: ****facemillionare
Originally by: CCP Optimal
There is no need to worry about the new toggle target lock functionality, since it will only unlock the target if you have finished locking, so spam clicking while targeting will not unlock.



This will be really terrible if there is no option to disable it, or to make it like Raimo said. Please reconsider this for the sake of small gang and solo PVP. If you have not done extensive small gang or solo PVP, please reconsider saying it won't be a problem when you have no idea whether or not it will be.


That's the spirit!

[bittervet OT]

Sometimes I wish the devs understood what many players have understood over the years:

Empire building and huge space battles makes for great marketing and can be fun for a while (longer for the people calling the shots)...

But EVE in solo/ small gang PVP mode is one of the best computer games ever made, or it used to be... It is indeed getting nerfs regularly, and has been for years. Sadly not too many buffs recently, or incentives for newer players to attempt it.

[/bittervet OT]


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