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Loschy
The Synergy
Posted - 2010.10.12 21:07:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Kryspy Katarene
Originally by: Jodi Goulsti
Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Ejit
Another fine example as to why Russians\Eastern Europeans should be given their own server. Or thrown in with the Chinese.


Or Americans like yourself who generalize that all Eastern Europeans are cheaters can either HTFU and STFU or quit eve. (after giving me your stuff)

I like how you bash someone for making generalizations while somehow deducing from the post that it came from an American.


Euro***s always assume anything they don't like is american.


When Americans exhibit almost every trait you deem unlikeable, it moves from unconscious bias to overt.

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.10.12 21:10:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Syn Callibri
OMG...I just searched google to see how many "eve-bot" sites were out there and I got "About 736,000 results (0.26 seconds)". HOLY ****, that is so insane! Shocked




Yeah the level of sophistication in some of those apps is just crazy too.

I'm sure CCP does their homework, but there's only so much they can do to track down people botting, giving them a helping hand and reporting people and/or software sites will give them a leg up, might even give them insight on how to break the bots too.

youliekmudkipz
Posted - 2010.10.12 22:28:00 - [63]
 

btw, does anyone know if PI bots are there yet ?

Zeke Mobius
Posted - 2010.10.12 22:36:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: youliekmudkipz
btw, does anyone know if PI bots are there yet ?


who even gives a **** about PI bots? make more money doing other crap the bots do...


Donny Maurasi
Posted - 2010.10.12 23:40:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula


But the problem is these systems are all far from empty, so they'd need to have large lists of 'safe' people to compare specific names to when they enter local.

It's much more likely they're actual people. However some simply want to believe they're macro users.


You clearly don't have a clue about macros, so it's likely best to learn about them before saying something can't be done. They simply use blue lists and non blue lists and yest the macro can easily see the difference.

The second a non blue enters the system the macro will warp off to it's SS and either log or cloak.

Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
Posted - 2010.10.12 23:58:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Roosterton on 13/10/2010 00:12:03
Originally by: Jodi Goulsti
Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Ejit
Another fine example as to why Russians\Eastern Europeans should be given their own server. Or thrown in with the Chinese.


Or Americans like yourself who generalize that all Eastern Europeans are cheaters can either HTFU and STFU or quit eve. (after giving me your stuff)

I like how you bash someone for making generalizations while somehow deducing from the post that it came from an American.


I bashed him for making generalizations that all Eastern Europeans are cheaters, for making generalizations that everyone who lives in a certain place, was born in a certain place, or had parents from a certain place, is a cheater.

I did not call him American. I just said that "Americans who are like him" should htfu or stfu. Key words, "like him." I didn't say all Americans were like him, nor did I say that all Americans should HTFU/STFU. The reason I put in the word "American" is because the vast majority of people like him are, indeed, American. Laughing

It's just like people who say "Environmentalists like Greenpeace." Not all environmentalists are greenpeace, and most greenpeace members know **** about the environment and are just doing it to **** people off.

And to Kryspy, I'm not European. Try again.

Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
Posted - 2010.10.13 00:23:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Starchain
Edited by: Starchain on 12/10/2010 14:04:13
I am living in drone regione and I can tell for sure, it's not a macros. It's a corporation loot ops.


Orly?

Originally by: Ejit
Another fine example as to why Russians\Eastern Europeans should be given their own server. Or thrown in with the Chinese.


QFT

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.10.13 00:58:00 - [68]
 

From Dolan :

Fade O1Y-ED : 7416 NPC Kills
Fade O-CNPR : 5396 NPC Kills
Deklein XCF-8N : 6679 NPOC Kills
Deklein RG9-7U : 5106 NPC Kills
In Deklein more then 20 Sytsem with minium ~3500
much more other Systems in the North

When CCP do something against this Northern Macro Bot Coalion.

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.10.13 02:42:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Brian Ballsack
so have you got any real proof ?

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.10.13 03:15:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Why don't you go into one of these systems and AFK cloak in it for 24 hours and see whan impact you have?


Though I don't AFK Cloak, I have spent time in some of these systems cloaked and I learned a lot of Russian doing it.



Caldari Citizen20090217
Posted - 2010.10.13 05:23:00 - [71]
 

Could this be the reason why 0.0 is a huge napfest now? That everyone is too busy making a living off RMT to risk rocking the boat?

/tinfoil

Noun Verber
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.13 05:53:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Edited by: baltec1 on 12/10/2010 15:55:55
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Aelius
Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilá... dead macroer.
Cloaky macro on the gates watching the overview would solve that, mostly. I'm sure they'll take the risk of a wormhole opening once in a while for granted.


Gonna need a lot of cloaky alts which means more money or isk spent on them every month so the isk sellers out in 0.0 will get hurt either wayVery Happy

Its that or go AFK them 24/7 and watch them BAWWW on the forums about the great evil.


But if they run a macro all day for then sell the minerals for isk, they can afford the PLEXs

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2010.10.13 05:55:00 - [73]
 

First off.. if you suspect someone of using a botting program, please file a petition accordingly. ***** less.. do more. How else would you expect results to happen. Spare me the 'petitions don't work', cause I don't give a **** for that lazy man's excuse.

Now.. if people seriously want to put a dent in macros. Kill'em.

Secondly.. kill'em again.

Third.. all you lazy ****s dumping your rl money into transparent 'Disney dollars' should be gunned down by every player in the game that legitament plays by the rules. Lets go 1980s American Drug Campaign on this *****.. go to the user and steam roll them. I'm serious.. suspected RMT isk BUYER.. kill'em, then tell your friends.. and have your friends kill'em and tell everyone.. smear their name on forums that allow such a message to be spread. Blaster their RMT using mug all over the place when you got proof. Then everyone kill'em.

If the RMT don't have buyers.. they have no reason to exist. Goodbye a **** ton of macros. Goodbye people being paid real money to develop more sophisticated bot programs.

Short version: Kill the Isk BUYERS!

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.10.13 06:15:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Umega
First off.. if you suspect someone of using a botting program, please file a petition accordingly. ***** less.. do more. How else would you expect results to happen. Spare me the 'petitions don't work', cause I don't give a **** for that lazy man's excuse.

Now.. if people seriously want to put a dent in macros. Kill'em.

Secondly.. kill'em again.

Third.. all you lazy ****s dumping your rl money into transparent 'Disney dollars' should be gunned down by every player in the game that legitament plays by the rules. Lets go 1980s American Drug Campaign on this *****.. go to the user and steam roll them. I'm serious.. suspected RMT isk BUYER.. kill'em, then tell your friends.. and have your friends kill'em and tell everyone.. smear their name on forums that allow such a message to be spread. Blaster their RMT using mug all over the place when you got proof. Then everyone kill'em.

If the RMT don't have buyers.. they have no reason to exist. Goodbye a **** ton of macros. Goodbye people being paid real money to develop more sophisticated bot programs.

Short version: Kill the Isk BUYERS!


RMT isn't the only reason to run a macro. In any case, your reasoning is specious; we should tolerate one type of cheating yet condemn another?

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2010.10.13 06:19:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Umega
First off.. if you suspect someone of using a botting program, please file a petition accordingly. ***** less.. do more. How else would you expect results to happen. Spare me the 'petitions don't work', cause I don't give a **** for that lazy man's excuse.

Now.. if people seriously want to put a dent in macros. Kill'em.

Secondly.. kill'em again.

Third.. all you lazy ****s dumping your rl money into transparent 'Disney dollars' should be gunned down by every player in the game that legitament plays by the rules. Lets go 1980s American Drug Campaign on this *****.. go to the user and steam roll them. I'm serious.. suspected RMT isk BUYER.. kill'em, then tell your friends.. and have your friends kill'em and tell everyone.. smear their name on forums that allow such a message to be spread. Blaster their RMT using mug all over the place when you got proof. Then everyone kill'em.

If the RMT don't have buyers.. they have no reason to exist. Goodbye a **** ton of macros. Goodbye people being paid real money to develop more sophisticated bot programs.

Short version: Kill the Isk BUYERS!


RMT isn't the only reason to run a macro. In any case, your reasoning is specious; we should tolerate one type of cheating yet condemn another?


Hmmm and point exactly when I said to tolerate any kind of cheating?

All I did was point out another option for people to use in helping to tone down macro users. If you want to, for some reason, counter argue that cutting into RMTs profits wouldn't cut down the number of macros ingame.. knock yourself out.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.10.13 06:19:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
so have you got any real proof ?



Originally by: Malcanis


What would you accept as proof?


Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.13 06:37:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
so have you got any real proof ?


What proof would you accept? There comes a point where Occam's Razor kicks in, you know.


well, in this specific instance, number of pilots against number of kills would be useful.

Then number of belts, upgrade level of the system and so on, the kind of stuff that allow you to check if the number of kills/minute is proportionate to the number of pilots or not.




Aelius
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2010.10.13 08:11:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Jane Griffin
Edited by: Jane Griffin on 12/10/2010 16:04:25
Originally by: Aelius
Yeah, they use local as a macro tool... removing local in 0.0 and voilá... dead macroer.


And dead miners, dead non macro ratters, everyone leaves 0.0 then pvpers would also have to go back to empire or low sec for station games leaving 0.0 free for macros in their cheap disposable fits to work in peace.

Great idea.

Yes some will "die"... people "die" all the time in EVE... and yes some will leave 0.0 but the ballsy ones will make a lot more isk.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.10.13 08:11:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Malcanis on 13/10/2010 08:12:33
I really dont think it's that hard to analyze logs to show bot behaviour if you really try. Here's a hint: if someone's character is ratting with exactly mechanical precision for 23 hours a day, day after day, always instawarping the second anyone appears in local (loliknowrite?), then they're a bot. If someone is ice-mining 23 hours a day, in precise synchrony with multiple similarly named characters all created at the same time then they're a bot. If someone is running courier missions out of Ingunn 23 hours a day, ignoring the fact that the station is camped then they're a bot. If someone is mining veld 23 hours a day, and even keeps trying to "mine" in their pod for 8 hours after their covetor gets ganked then they're a bot.

Run the analysis. flag the suspects. Observe them in operation. Ban the accounts. Less of this "oh we're letting them run to observe where the ISK goes". That's just an excuse to leave accounts running to keep the subscription money flowing. You have the logs: you can already see where the ISK is going.

The server has been suffering lately, CCP. Let's help it out by lightening the load a little.

Captain Blart
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.10.13 09:26:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Captain Blart on 13/10/2010 09:30:38
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people.


Took me less than 2 minutes to find this soft , here is the description ( im not giving name of the soft or link to respect CCP rules )

" Use this small utility to monitor you local channel for hostiles. There are times when you have to go semi-afk or you just are too sleepy or too tired to have your eyes on local channel all the time. ***** will sit in background and monitor the local channel of EVE. It displays the total number of pilots in solar system, the number of friendlies and hostiles. On hostiles there are options to just alert with a sound or exit EVE after some seconds. You can stop the utility at any moment by pressing the [stop bot] button...."


What does that tell you ?

They also do a program that warp to 0 for you

One of their forum is :
**** Russian section
Subforum для русскоязычных пользователей

Im not joking here

Minmatar Citizen9999
Posted - 2010.10.13 12:02:00 - [81]
 

Yeah, "Bacon" still exists. It's just not as easy to do as it was (and requires EULA violating things to be done by the program) but it's there, and part of every macro program sold.

Why doesn't CCP sue the people who sell those things the way Blizzard did WOWGlider?

Oh and this morning's update from "The Russian Front" (exception being the one Immensia system)


(last 3h) NPC Kills System
1. Map Y-770C (Oasa) 5665
2. Map NSI-MW (Malpais) 3857
3. Map H-EBQG (Malpais) 3811
4. Map H-MHWF (Oasa) 3408
5. Map IS-OBW (Etherium Reach) 3368
6. Map VH-9VO (Outer Passage) 2405
7. Map 4AZV-W (Outer Passage) 2274
8. Map PND-SI (Oasa) 2160
9. Map F-HQWV (Perrigen Falls) 2124
10. Map 08-N7Q (Immensea)

Prinsessa Ruusunen
Posted - 2010.10.13 12:55:00 - [82]
 

It's okay, they're Russians.

Lady Aja
Posted - 2010.10.13 14:38:00 - [83]
 

this is what i have to say on the matter of this topic.

upgraded systems with pilots running the top end amons.

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.10.13 15:15:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Lady Aja
this is what i have to say on the matter of this topic.

upgraded systems with pilots running the top end amons.


Damn, i actually agree with you !!!!

K'racker
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.10.13 16:00:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: Lady Aja
this is what i have to say on the matter of this topic.

upgraded systems with pilots running the top end amons.


Damn, i actually agree with you !!!!



considering f-hq has only 3 belts, and lvl 5 upgrade. so ya they're probably gang banging the 2 perma spawning anomalies.

TheBlueMonkey
Gallente
Fags R Us
Posted - 2010.10.13 16:20:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Uh, these are all in 0.0. If you think they're using macros go ahead and try to kill them instead of running to teacher.


I take it you have never tried to kill these people before.

If they are not running macros that warp them off the second you enter local then you get 3 motherships dumped on you. The second event is rare however as most of the time nobody is there to report you, just the AFK raven.


Pretty sure you can't make a macro that warps out when certain people come into local. Something like that would lead me to believe they're real people.


You can, I've seen it.
Had a bit of trouble with it when I got into insmother.

One of the guys in my corp at the time jumped to each belt, dropped a large warp bubble then got everyone out of system.
Waited 5min, jumped in and people scattered to the belts, rinse, repeat, catch macro-bot, kill macro-bot, drop bubble, kill pod, roll around in loots.

Do that...

Cerneus
Sick Tight
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2010.10.13 19:18:00 - [87]
 

Been there. They're good isk. Just learn how to farm them and what apps to use to fool them (second one helps but not required).

Happy hunting.

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.13 19:22:00 - [88]
 

getting a kill on those macro bots ( and allowing us to scan wrecks older than 1 hour old would help heaps) but these farming bots also contribute to well isk isk isk and if u get lucky a nice suicide gank

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.10.13 19:50:00 - [89]
 

If you guys *really* think that macro ratting is a problem in those areas, why don't you start a corp or alliance that AFK cloaks those areas religiously. Get 20 AFK cloakers in each of those systems and you'll surely kill the macro ratting or the macro ratters.

-Liang

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.13 19:55:00 - [90]
 

ok how is it the macro ratters can log in today but the real pleasure playing eve players like myself keep getting to character select screen and hit a black wall of entering space or socket closed, wonder how much htose macros are paying ccp to macro a game no one can playu

Evil or Very Mad

Just a public statement by CCP on this would help when is it going to be finally fixed .... stop rushing the next expansion its going to be rubbish anyway and fix what u have and implement outstanding items of attention


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