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Shadar Ishaan
Caldari
The Silent Death Corporation
Posted - 2005.01.08 19:00:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: capt
Edited by: capt on 08/01/2005 14:17:09
Ah there your wrong.

The geniuses at CCP are waaaaaaay ahead of you. There is way to get those tons of illegal goods to the system/station/agent you want. Or at least there will be.....




I can only hope you're being sarcastic. Wink In true CCP fashion, we'll probably see these ships at the middle to the end of the year, which does nothing to address the problem now.

Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2005.01.10 15:59:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Agreed. After whoring agents for however many weeks or months it takes to get a faction battleship, the last thing I wanna be looking forward to is embarking on some idiot scavenger hunt throughout the galaxy, trying to pry away shiny things from item-hoarding nitwits who will each likely ask me for 20-50 million per tag, even though the offer demands fifty different officer tags on top of the usual billion loyalty points, five Raven battleships, NBA season passes, a backrub, and 1,000 units of Underage Robot Exotic Dancer Slaves, a commodity so illegal that if Concord Customs catches you with them, they cancel your Eve account.


Whahhahahaha damn had a great laugh
anyway on topic AMEN my brother.. Totaly agree with ya...

Trader Klyde
Gallente
Posted - 2005.01.10 17:04:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Trader Klyde on 10/01/2005 17:06:19
Zrakor... Will some or all of these issues be addressed in this next patch?

I too have been offered some "fairly" cool items... But, the sheer amounts of illegal items in trade has prevented me from accepting any of the offers.

Maybe the Devs could pull the illegal items until such time as the smuggling ships and skills are in-game? Could this be done at the same time as pulling those dam station vaults and containers?

If nothing else, lower the requirements to reasonable limits? How can we be expected to produce 1000 Robotic Exotic Slave dancers so my agent can get his club staffed in just a couple days? Wink

Lord Anubis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.01.10 18:51:00 - [34]
 

High tech stuff is the problem why not just give them out as bonus rewards ie caldari giver high tech arms. Gallete give there vechales its that simple really

Jet Collins
Dynamic Endeavors
Posted - 2005.01.12 18:58:00 - [35]
 

I have no problem going on a little hunt to get some tags, however I have been collecting tags since they first started showing up. The problem I'm having is that the agent is asking for a 100 more tags than I have which is crazy since i have like 300, but they are the wrong ones. So I personaly thing the tags should coinside with the mission you have been doing. That way You don't have a bunch of tags collection dust or arn't collecting them for another year down the road just to get the one tag or tag's you need for the bonus.

Egoblast
Caldari
Icarus' Wings
Z.E.R.G
Posted - 2005.01.12 20:21:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
I'm all for the tags in LP offers. They drop plenty and I've over 400 sitting in my hangar doing nothing.

I was about to accept an offer today, until I realized there's NO WAY I can acquire 'Metal Scraps' since they're not even on the market and people are charging 50K for Ukomi Super Conductors, which I need 200 of.

Please please please get rid of the pointless collateral item part and ask for LP's and tags.

hi read your post,
i quite frequently get to haul metal scraps from my agent,
contact me in game, and we can come to an arrangement

Tanakka
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2005.01.12 21:41:00 - [37]
 

So why are these missions different than the "High-Tech" Item missions a few weeks back?Question After spending a lot of ISK and time finding and colecting the other items to get a +2 implant, I found out "High-Tech Scanners" werent in the game yetugh

The response to my petition was essentially "Tough luck, those items you bought will be useful someother day".Sad

Hopefully this is a new response policy for a standard (sadly) problem, rather than a differnce based upon the person who happens to answer the petition.

Tautut
Amarr
Posted - 2005.01.12 22:56:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Agreed. After whoring agents for however many weeks or months it takes to get a faction battleship, the last thing I wanna be looking forward to is embarking on some idiot scavenger hunt throughout the galaxy, trying to pry away shiny things from item-hoarding nitwits who will each likely ask me for 20-50 million per tag, even though the offer demands fifty different officer tags on top of the usual billion loyalty points, five Raven battleships, NBA season passes, a backrub, and 1,000 units of Underage Robot Exotic Dancer Slaves, a commodity so illegal that if Concord Customs catches you with them, they cancel your Eve account.


After a bad day at the office - that one made me smile.

Armaged
Caldari
Quantum Industries
Posted - 2005.01.12 23:56:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Agreed. After whoring agents for however many weeks or months it takes to get a faction battleship, the last thing I wanna be looking forward to is embarking on some idiot scavenger hunt throughout the galaxy, trying to pry away shiny things from item-hoarding nitwits who will each likely ask me for 20-50 million per tag, even though the offer demands fifty different officer tags on top of the usual billion loyalty points, five Raven battleships, NBA season passes, a backrub, and 1,000 units of Underage Robot Exotic Dancer Slaves, a commodity so illegal that if Concord Customs catches you with them, they cancel your Eve account.


Surprise, surprise, surpries....

NOT

This is exactly what happend with the Navy Issue Raven BPC
First, one of the Tags isn't even in game yet.
Second, one of the Tags is from 0.0 impossible to get once a year spwn.
Third, is from some mystical, magical, complex in a region it doesn't belong in.

If these items aren't given out in missions, they don't belong as requirements for a missions reward, plain and simple.

Antic
Posted - 2005.01.13 00:24:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Antic on 13/01/2005 00:37:44
When tech 2 battleships are out there will be no real point in getting faction ships. I mean they arent better than tech 2. But you could mine the cash needed for a tech 2 ship in a fraction of the time and cost it takes to do missions for LP and then try to collect trinkets all over the galaxy.

The risk VS reward/Time investment VS reward in eve is a bit messed up right now.

This is a source of great frustration of the players and will cause many to just burn out on the game.

An anology would be that you are told that you will get some candy for reward if you work your butt off for quite a while. You like candy so you will work your butt off to get it. Then months or even a year later when you have worked the required time you get told "I really like you enough now to give you your reward, but its just one small formality,to get the candy you have to give me a brand new DVD player, our psycopathic nabours car (how you get it is your problem), the 1956 edition of the baseball yearbook (only 3 issues exist in the world! Owned by stinking rich and greedy collectors), and indisputable proof of the existance of atlantis wich spawns in the middle of the ocean once every blue moon and is camped by an army of ravenous pirates out for blood" :P
Imagine the joy! Thats when shooting onceself can seem very appealing.

Ok not the best example but this is the cause of extreme frustration in the PVE part of eve. Its not like its the most uber unbeatable ship of doom you are getting. People wont even dare fly with them cus if they get ganked its a year+ of heartache wasted.

Shame on you CCP.

Kiithnaras
Minmatar
Lethal Injection.
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2005.01.13 02:32:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Kiithnaras on 13/01/2005 02:39:55
Okay, here we go, gonna try to take all these ideas, and synthesize:

Firstly, I agree with most players; the insane amounts of misc crud that needs to go into agent offers is a big, steaming load. unless you're very lucky, you seldom have enough of exactly the right item at exactly the right time. The "Scavenger Hunt" takes you to places few and VERY far between, and with current 0.0 conflicts, very hard to even get to at all.

Secondly, this idea about Bribery Points is very intriguing. Instead of having just LP and item trade cost, set an LP and BP cost for each offer. For each offer, limit BP-gaining items to a list of acceptable items for an offer, each with an assigned value. if you've got 4 million Ammatar Navy Midshipmen II tags, but only one of the Uber-Rare, Once-In-A-Lifetime-Drop-From-Mega-Hard-Dreadnought-Rat tags out of the 8 he's asking for, you can deliver those more sub-standard tags for less each, but they may well amount to 90% of the BP needed for the offer and the one ireallyhadtobustmyballsforthistagsodontgivemeahardtimeaboutit tag, and viola!, you've got a brand new Fleet-Issue Tempest bpc for the cost of 200,000 BP and 1,000,000 LP (please don't set them that high..that's insane)

Now, the list of BP-redeemable items doesn't have to be exorbitantly long, just sufficient enough so that players don't have to search ALL four corners of the galaxy, dodging every single 0.0 alliance and territory-claimers in the process, just to find that what he needed was in Jove space because some devious little GM decided to laugh at all the players trying to get at it. I wouldn't expect the BP list to include every single pirate cartel and hostile NPC faction tags and misc items (possibly even a few tech-2 components and tools), just sufficient for the offer. More intense offer, broader range of BP-items.

Edit: Furthermore, I must agree on the OMGWTFWHEREDOYOUGETTHISFARKINGTAG subject. For the insanely-hard-to-find tags, there should be a bookmark to the location of the rat spawn, which cannot be copied, transferred, another bookmark placed in or close to the spawn, and expires immediately when the offer is accepted, or sooner if necessary to prevent excessive tag-hoarding.

Antic
Posted - 2005.01.13 06:38:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Antic on 13/01/2005 07:42:12
a problem would be that people would either goto that place and find that there is no tag cus someone poped it already and get upset or what stops people form just going there and make a regular bookmark to farm the tag for Cash selling to poor mission runners ?

This system is turning eve into more of Everquest in space. Camping camping camping.

Judge Fodder
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.01.13 10:54:00 - [43]
 

I hate to point this out, as most people seem to have forgotten.

You do get PAID for missions. You get BONUSES. It's not all "I work for 10,000 missions and get crappy offers!". How much money, tech 2 components, station containers (OK maybe that one's not so useful...), bounties, named item drops etc do you get in all that time? You get PAID for your job, and get BONUSES as well! The offers are on top. Take them or leave them.

If you're only doing the missions for the faction ships then by the time you have the LP saved up, you'll also have the ISK to buy the tags at 100 mil each. So stop saying that you're not getting rewarded for all your hard work. If everyone could just get a faction ship after a couple of months agent whoring then they'd be so common they'd lose their appeal.

Mari Y'Tuk
Gallente
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2005.01.13 12:18:00 - [44]
 

Anything else going into the patch?

Interceptors Changes?
Mining Crystals seeded?
HP Changes? etc


Armaged
Caldari
Quantum Industries
Posted - 2005.01.13 15:24:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Judge Fodder
I hate to point this out, as most people seem to have forgotten.

You do get PAID for missions. You get BONUSES. It's not all "I work for 10,000 missions and get crappy offers!". How much money, tech 2 components, station containers (OK maybe that one's not so useful...), bounties, named item drops etc do you get in all that time? You get PAID for your job, and get BONUSES as well! The offers are on top. Take them or leave them.

If you're only doing the missions for the faction ships then by the time you have the LP saved up, you'll also have the ISK to buy the tags at 100 mil each. So stop saying that you're not getting rewarded for all your hard work. If everyone could just get a faction ship after a couple of months agent whoring then they'd be so common they'd lose their appeal.


338 Missions.
1 Failure due to bugged gate.
551620 total LP (1632 average pre mission)
And more than I like lost battelships while figuring out how to do these successfully.
Never turned down a single mission.

Do me a favor, don't tell me about costs. I know only too well how much everything costs.

Do me another favor. Given that not s single missions was ever turned down (not even deadspace). Try and figure out how much time it takes to do 338 level 4 missions.

Judge Fodder
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.01.13 15:48:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Judge Fodder on 13/01/2005 15:50:39
Originally by: Armaged

338 Missions.
1 Failure due to bugged gate.
551620 total LP (1632 average pre mission)
And more than I like lost battelships while figuring out how to do these successfully.
Never turned down a single mission.

Do me a favor, don't tell me about costs. I know only too well how much everything costs.

Do me another favor. Given that not s single missions was ever turned down (not even deadspace). Try and figure out how much time it takes to do 338 level 4 missions.


Do me a favour. Figure out how much you got paid to do all those missions. Including reward, bonus, bounty, etc. Personally I make easily 10 mil an hour. I don't see the need to be able to get a unique (!) ship as an extra requirement. Sure I would love to have one, but if I got one, I'd like to be the only person in the Region with one. Not every Tom, Richard and Harry that has done a couple of hundred missions.

Edit: Short version of "Richard" is censored...

Magunus
The Forsakened Few
Green Alliance
Posted - 2005.01.13 23:56:00 - [47]
 

GMs are refusing to give out these items?? This ****es me off. I get an offer, see I can't get one of the items, read this post, petition it like this post says, and the GM tells me tough?!?!

//GM
*snip*

//me
*snip*

//GM
*snip*

Posting communications with GMs isn't allowed, please see rule #8 - Wrangler

Kiithnaras
Minmatar
Lethal Injection.
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2005.01.14 01:49:00 - [48]
 

Very nice. Forgive me, but this seems like the work of a selfish GM. If it's not in-game, the GM should be able to cross-reference the tag in quesion to both the list of items not in-game AND your offer's requirements, so there really shouldn't be a problem with tag-hoarding and such through GM petitions, and therefore no rational reason exists for the "too bad, so sad" response.

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2005.01.14 07:19:00 - [49]
 

If you wish to complain about the GMs you can petition it and request that it is handled by a senior GM. Posting communications with GMs isn't allowed however. Smile

Oh, also, do me a favour, behave nicely towards each other. Cool

Jet Collins
Dynamic Endeavors
Posted - 2005.01.14 13:32:00 - [50]
 

Anothing thing we don't get any bounties for the ships we killed to get these tags.

Thanit
Posted - 2005.01.14 15:36:00 - [51]
 

Sorry, what is worng with forcing some interactivity into these offers ?

You are getting the rarest of rare ships here. Sur eit takes alot of work, but if you sell it, it gets you billions for chrissakes !

So, again, Let's just assume i have estamel and kaikka tags as well as most dread tags, all needed for caldari mission faction BS offers no doubt.

What exactly would be worng with paying me say 200 million for them tags if they get you a BS worth 10-20 times that again ?

Phoenixgurl
Phoenix Research inc.
Posted - 2005.01.14 17:49:00 - [52]
 

I see the point in asking tags & stuff:

Player interraction!!!

FFS, it wouldn't be a MMO if this wasn't implemented. If you want a single player game with rewards, go play X2 or Elite.


However, I do hate the fact that to get my 5M reward the agent just offered me, I have to get 100 illegal goods... in a 0.8 system. Kinda just impossible isn't it?

djaccity
Posted - 2005.01.15 10:48:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Haratu
lp offers are good as they are... if you got battleships with only a 1000 lp then there would be no point to it.


I agree what your saying
But I think alot pplayers points are this

You get a offer weather useless good or not you CAN'T get the items you need to get the offer

Not weather cost you a Billion for a Million offer idea you can't get the stuff

Take drugs as is rate now you stupid even try to transport one system to anouther because you will get caught no way around it

99% tags you can get just have to hunt them down or buy them

As far as some the items like high tech arms,some high tech chips,them conductors
Some you can get but not all and if you lucky to find them they cost you roughly 500k to 1 mill each and you usally need 200 for the offer

The idea LP offers is a good way have a chance get some rare rar items but make sure the offer can be gotten not the cost that matters it is finding the items that counts...

Sensi Darakhis
Gallente
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2005.01.15 12:12:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: djaccity
Originally by: Haratu
lp offers are good as they are... if you got battleships with only a 1000 lp then there would be no point to it.


I agree what your saying
But I think alot pplayers points are this

You get a offer weather useless good or not you CAN'T get the items you need to get the offer

Not weather cost you a Billion for a Million offer idea you can't get the stuff

Take drugs as is rate now you stupid even try to transport one system to anouther because you will get caught no way around it

99% tags you can get just have to hunt them down or buy them

As far as some the items like high tech arms,some high tech chips,them conductors
Some you can get but not all and if you lucky to find them they cost you roughly 500k to 1 mill each and you usally need 200 for the offer

The idea LP offers is a good way have a chance get some rare rar items but make sure the offer can be gotten not the cost that matters it is finding the items that counts...


Sorry, but i understood nothing of what you just said. ugh

PaXx
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.01.16 23:52:00 - [55]
 

I got an offer recently for a fleet tempest but the items apparently dont exist yet. Checked this here list to see if I could get them from a GM but they werent here (needed a minmatar fleet nexus chip and a battleship tech R.A.M.). Petitioned it with a GM to see if they could do anything but they said it wasnt possible. Sad

Why is it that only a few of the items required to complete offers are being given out for free and others not?

Leo Rises
Pilots Of Honour
Aeternus.
Posted - 2005.01.18 11:10:00 - [56]
 

Very interesting thread. But i still see it as a luxery problem. How many of you were able to obtain faction standings the easy way where important missions were 'random', but 1 per 10 on average, or, 1 per 50 for an implant?

When exodus came i did 50 missions straight for one agent - (still trying to get to lvl 3 agents then). No refusals, No failures (unless petitioning for undoable missions counts as refusal/failure - then there was two).

At that point I could do lvl 3 agents for that agents corp, but had gained only 900 Shocked LP points, and 0.01 (must have been a rounding accident) faction standings.

A big 18 LP per mission. And for weeks I got offers of trades for illegal items that are unmoveable, etc. etc.

Sure, it is difficult for you. And if I hdnt paid up 6 months in advance I probably would have left around Christmas.

I have changed my playing style. I just train skills, and mine. Friends refine for me - as itis next to impossible to get the faction/corp standings needed to move about and have lowered refine costs.

And the problems in 0.0 - only worse for the newer guys - who have neither the ships, not the skills - to last in te current conflicts.

If CCP was trying to get more players out of Empire space, they have failed largely for the "newer" players. If this was never an intention, then it is no point.

--
Anyway, looking forward to the 25 jan patch. Hope it fixes a lot of UI issues. Getting real tired of broken controls, etc..

Jet Collins
Dynamic Endeavors
Posted - 2005.01.18 15:50:00 - [57]
 

I have a question I was offered a 125mm republic fleet Auto Cannon. This is something that is not on the market. So does it exsist? Because I'm not interested in a small auto cannon I didn't take the offer however I did have the items the agent wanted so I could have taken it. If I took the offer would I have recieve the gun or no??
OR would I recieve the gun one year down the road when it does hit the market.
If anyone knows the answer please reply.
Thanks Jet Collins

Kalfu
Posted - 2005.01.19 00:34:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Magunus
GMs are refusing to give out these items?? This ****es me off. I get an offer, see I can't get one of the items, read this post, petition it like this post says, and the GM tells me tough?!?!

Textremoved, but we can make a few assumption about the content here



So Zrakor has promised uobtainable tags will be provided, and the GMs refuse to do so. And when you mention this on the forums you get in trouble. .

CCP, have you ever considered getting your employees to talk to each other? Or is it company policy that all employees work in isolation doing whatever they want without regards to what the rest of the compay is doing?








Turboneger
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.01.19 03:56:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Turboneger on 19/01/2005 04:04:28
Edited by: Turboneger on 19/01/2005 03:56:26
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Agreed. After whoring agents for however many weeks or months it takes to get a faction battleship, the last thing I wanna be looking forward to is embarking on some idiot scavenger hunt throughout the galaxy, trying to pry away shiny things from item-hoarding nitwits who will each likely ask me for 20-50 million per tag, even though the offer demands fifty different officer tags on top of the usual billion loyalty points, five Raven battleships, NBA season passes, a backrub, and 1,000 units of Underage Robot Exotic Dancer Slaves, a commodity so illegal that if Concord Customs catches you with them, they cancel your Eve account.


This has to be the funniest answer/reply/post ever on this forum.

oh yeah, i think lp's should be enough. Who the hell bothers getting 1m lp anyway?

Veneth
Posted - 2005.01.19 06:51:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Veneth on 19/01/2005 06:54:40
yeah I read through and found out where people started to get faction ships and the insanity it takes to do such a thing. found a Hookbill on escrow today. it's...I dunno.. GARBAGE I almost died of laughter. I thought these where suppose to be special. After finding all the agent offers so far are only for frigates with those reqs I gave my agent the finger and went home. I can mine the money about 50 times faster than a agent will ever hand me a offer i MIGHT be able to fulfill

I thought the whole point of the LPs was suppose to be a simple give them points for item. atm it feels more like a

"If you let me and my five friends have our way wit' ya.. I might kiss you on the cheek afterwards"


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