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Sarton Wells
Posted - 2010.10.17 14:15:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Terra Mikael
we've had two boring expansions since then (dominion,tyrannis), and we are going to have two more boring ones after that (incursion and incarna).


They may very well be boring to you. But not to me. Ok dominion has nothing to do with my playstyle so I can't talk about it. Tyrannis though, besides the need of a revamp which is coming with Incursion, is a definite plus for the game. Incursion and Incarna also look that way. So from my POV Eve is going up, up and away. If you don't like them it's your own problem. It's impossible to please everyone. Eventually there will be expansions that I find boring and you like a lot. And if such a time doesn't come you've always been free to decide that this game is not for you.

RiskyFrisky
Interrobang Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.17 14:40:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing
Originally by: Brutorr
Stop you're bitching.


Only when you learn to use an apostrophe correctly.


Stop, you're *****ing.

Fixed?

forum alt1
Posted - 2010.10.17 15:41:00 - [183]
 

Eve is a game, CCP is a business, and they are not in this to play. They are here to make money. And that's good. Could CCP be doing a better job? Yes of course they could. Can they please everyone no.

The problem I have noticed lately with eve is the players, Seems everyone takes this game way to seriously, Either you suck because you donít play the way I want you to or your stupid because you just started playing, Even better Oh no I donít want my internet space ship to get blown up, so I wont fight unless I have a 110% chance of win.

But even what I have typed here doesnít matter.
Plain and simple if you hate it that much donít play, and wait until something better comes along, or keep playing and when something better comes quit eve. I for one still enjoy the game or else I would be taking my own advice.

Moghydin
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.10.17 22:14:00 - [184]
 

Edited by: Moghydin on 17/10/2010 22:16:54
stupid forum bugs ate my post. cba to type it all over again. btw after 5 years forums are still not bug freeSad

Captain Megadeath
Posted - 2010.10.17 23:13:00 - [185]
 

Edited by: Captain Megadeath on 17/10/2010 23:14:43
Originally by: RiskyFrisky
Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing
Originally by: Brutorr
Stop you're bitching.


Only when you learn to use an apostrophe correctly.


Stop, you're *****ing.

Fixed?


Stop your ****ing.

Your = relating/belonging to you
You're = You are


Pshychotic Pyro
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.10.18 00:54:00 - [186]
 

I've been around since 2004 and have had fun with the game. There weren't so many cry babies back then as there is now but besides that its eve. There will always be changes to eve. People were upset with when the number of drones was set to 5 instead of 10. Thorax pilots were upset that they couldn't use 8 ogres when flying around. Then the sig radius came and BS pilots were upset that they couldn't kill everything in the game and people said they quit.

CCP can't make everyone happy it's not going to happen. There will always be people that go to the forum and cry and throw a fit. This will pass and another new cry thread will come up about other stuff and the cycle will continue.


Anyway play eve have fun, and if your not F'n Leave already. Here is a game that might be more your speed

V'hellu
Posted - 2010.10.18 01:13:00 - [187]
 

The first time I played Eve was around when BFR's came out in Planetside (whenever that was, I forget the exact time). Essentially, from what I remember, the game is about the same as far as fun and playability goes, but it does have a lot more subscribers now then it did back then.

However, the same issues that were going on back then are still going on right now. Taking incredibly long times to do anything in the game, incredibly boring non-PvP content, etc. etc..... These are, according to all of the people I talk to, by far the most unappealing aspects of Eve. It is still my opinion that until they fix those issues, this game will never be anything more than a niche game, no matter if Incarna or any other new content comes out (though they never will, and it honestly doesn't bother me that much).

In answer to your *troll* question though, no, the game is not going downhill. It's roughly stagnant, though the additions here and there are pretty cool.

Terra Mikael
Horizon Dynamics
Posted - 2010.10.20 01:48:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: Sarton Wells
Originally by: Terra Mikael
we've had two boring expansions since then (dominion,tyrannis), and we are going to have two more boring ones after that (incursion and incarna).


Tyrannis though, besides the need of a revamp which is coming with Incursion, is a definite plus for the game. Incursion and Incarna also look that way. So from my POV Eve is going up, up and away. If you don't like them it's your own problem. It's impossible to please everyone. Eventually there will be expansions that I find boring and you like a lot. And if such a time doesn't come you've always been free to decide that this game is not for you.


So basically you are admiting to being ******ed? If you wanted to click circles all day on a sphere (aka, being a tyrant of a planet) there are plenty of toys for toddlers you might also like.

Fulkurth
Posted - 2010.10.20 02:04:00 - [189]
 

Edited by: Fulkurth on 20/10/2010 02:05:15
And they say us new players are whiners...

Get off your high horse Mr and Mrs (because I'd hate to be sexist) "My account as 04 on it! ALL ELSE SUCK!"

Not fun for you, can I have your stuff?

If you don't enjoy it, don't play it.
But certainly don't go and whine about it, you just make us new players laugh some more Razz

Terra Mikael
Horizon Dynamics
Posted - 2010.10.20 02:09:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: Fulkurth
Edited by: Fulkurth on 20/10/2010 02:05:15
And they say us new players are whiners...

Get off your high horse Mr and Mrs (because I'd hate to be sexist) "My account as 04 on it! ALL ELSE SUCK!"

Not fun for you, can I have your stuff?

If you don't enjoy it, don't play it.
But certainly don't go and whine about it, you just make us new players laugh some more Razz


Oh, I guess you missed the title. It said bitter vets chime in, not stupid noob tell us about your 2 week trail. Easy mistake.

Fulkurth
Posted - 2010.10.20 02:12:00 - [191]
 

Aww bless Miss OP gets all annoyed when us Newbies put others in their places?

Seriously you don't wanna be trolled, don't post on Eve forums; or has your Vet status not taught you that yet?

The fact is if you don't like Eve don't play it.
You whining, and others in this thread who shall remain unnamed because you seem like much more fun, merely goes to highlight the fact why most of us newbies really don't respect you guys at all.

Terra Mikael
Horizon Dynamics
Posted - 2010.10.20 02:43:00 - [192]
 

Edited by: Terra Mikael on 20/10/2010 02:48:01
Originally by: Fulkurth
Aww bless Miss OP gets all annoyed when us Newbies put others in their places?

Seriously you don't wanna be trolled, don't post on Eve forums; or has your Vet status not taught you that yet?

The fact is if you don't like Eve don't play it.
You whining, and others in this thread who shall remain unnamed because you seem like much more fun, merely goes to highlight the fact why most of us newbies really don't respect you guys at all.


Yes, because everything I ever wanted was respect from some guy on his two week trial.

Also, please point out the section where i said "I don't like eve." I offered some very good constructive criticism, and ones that most people who have been playing for a while know very well.

The difference between me and you is that in six months I'll still be here, and you won't, so don't be too offended if i fail to see how your input is worth anything.

Edit: Oh and Miss / Mistress will do fine.Laughing

Fulkurth
Posted - 2010.10.20 03:11:00 - [193]
 

or your Vet status has also failed to inform you on "Forum Alts" Razz

Though, Mistress sounds fun RazzTwisted Evil

Terra Mikael
Horizon Dynamics
Posted - 2010.10.20 03:34:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: Fulkurth
or your Vet status has also failed to inform you on "Forum Alts" Razz

Though, Mistress sounds fun RazzTwisted Evil


Seriously, though, **** off. My only goal here is 20 pages full of whatever i can fit in it.

On second thought stick around a while.Laughing

Fulkurth
Posted - 2010.10.20 03:43:00 - [195]
 

God no, watching you "Vets" pining over the "old days" and crying that Eve is going downhill is enjoyable.

What next? "My mouse is broke due to PI" ... wait had that one..
"Remember when CCP said no Microtransactions?!" .... had that one..
"Nerf XX because my ship died" .. had that one...
"I'm an old player and I'm not going to quit but instead sit in the forum and whine because I can't be assed to change how *I* play to make it either more fun or a challenge, instead I sit in a large alliance I joined 3 years ago and do the same old market stuff I've done for the last 5 years" .. oh I'm in that one.
"The Patch Failed, CCP fail, I'm gunna quit," Def had that one (multiple times).
"My friend quit here is why I demand CCP change," .. had that one.
"I'm one person I'm gunna quit and CCP will totally notice the X Dollars a month I'm not gunna pay and thus will change everything they do FOR ME so that I can play again," .. Thats a daily one.

Seriously. Get over yourselves. Because if, from the ST:O thread link, this is what makes the CCP community much better than the ST:O community - it does make me wonder why anyone sticks around at all.

Oh and I'm gunna enjoy the next reply, and the reply to my post after that, and after that, and after that - because some of you "Vets" can't just admit the game has changed and you can't be assed to change with it.

Terra Mikael
Horizon Dynamics
Posted - 2010.10.20 04:00:00 - [196]
 

Hey, whining on the forums WORKS.

Remember all those ******ed people who couldn't use webs? Well, they slowed down the whole universe for them in quantum rise!

All I'm whining about is CCP doing things half-assed. This should be easy!

yourdoingitwrong
Posted - 2010.10.20 04:04:00 - [197]
 

Wow fulk this guy above me owned your post in half the amount of text. I too am excited to see what you will post next.

PS whining that people are whining is still whining.

Razz

Th0rG0d
Terminal Pharmaceuticals Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.20 04:45:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: Terra Mikael
Hey, whining on the forums WORKS.

Remember all those ******ed people who couldn't use webs? Well, they slowed down the whole universe for them in quantum rise!

All I'm whining about is CCP doing things half-assed. This should be easy!


HAHAHAHA! I lol'd... if only this were not true. But sadly, it is. Laughing

Fulkurth
Posted - 2010.10.20 04:57:00 - [199]
 

Some things CCP have done are indeed half assed, but some of the threads I've seen have been far from "full assed" (if that's the right termConfused)

The problem is this thread hasn't been about half assed CCP it has been about "Vets" claiming the game has gone down hill while there are perfectly fine "new" players who find the game entertaining; and through the eyes you and I saw it however many years ago.

Too many people whine, complain and generally ***** on the Forums without doing anything themselves. Can half the "Vets" out there who complain really step forward and say "I tried something different today"? Or are they all still sat doing the same things they've done for the last 4 years without bothering to do anything different without, themselves, bothering to explore or attempt to make the game fun?

There is a half way mark that needs to be reached between community and CCP. An online game is nothing without its players. Players, especially in Eve, build the universe and the very nature of MMO wouldn't exist without our desires and whims; so we too have to take the blame for things, as much as CCP.

Anyone who disagrees with that is blind to any concept of a sandbox game.

So instead of people sitting on their asses waiting for CCP to change their experience, tell them what to do, or re-invent the wheel they've grown accustomed to - perhaps they themselves could do something different? (And to throw it WAAYYY out field, maybe they could help / interact with some newer players without the ridicule and general insults for simply being new for a change? I know.. I know.. it took me YEARS to change that much Razz)


P.S Trolling your thread this much was a pleasure Razz

Jennifer Starling
Amarr
Posted - 2010.10.20 07:25:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: Fulkurth
The problem is this thread hasn't been about half assed CCP it has been about "Vets" claiming the game has gone down hill while there are perfectly fine "new" players who find the game entertaining; and through the eyes you and I saw it however many years ago.

Hey! Don't forget that there's also new players (like me) who complain about the learning skills and the fact that everything takes so darn long and vets whining about those new players and threatening with emoragequitting if CCP does something to increase skill training speed "because I also had to go through it"! Wink

Sarton Wells
Posted - 2010.10.20 07:42:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: Terra Mikael

So basically you are admiting to being ******ed? If you wanted to click circles all day on a sphere (aka, being a tyrant of a planet) there are plenty of toys for toddlers you might also like.


Not really. It's obviously not perfect which is why it's getting an improved interface. But even with the flawed one it's still better to have PI than not.

Terra Mikael
Horizon Dynamics
Posted - 2010.10.20 23:37:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: Fulkurth
The problem is this thread hasn't been about half assed CCP it has been about "Vets" claiming the game has gone down hill while there are perfectly fine "new" players who find the game entertaining; and through the eyes you and I saw it however many years ago.

Hey! Don't forget that there's also new players (like me) who complain about the learning skills and the fact that everything takes so darn long and vets whining about those new players and threatening with emoragequitting if CCP does something to increase skill training speed "because I also had to go through it"! Wink


I forgot where i read it, and I'm too lazy to find the post, but CCP wants to get away from learning skills as well. There is a big fat thread on it somewhere. but :effort:

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2010.10.20 23:45:00 - [203]
 

self-described 'bitter vets,' especially those that hang around official forums, are almost always wrong about everything.

Here's a thought: if you got your ass handed to you despite having a billion more skillpoints than your enemy, maybe you suck.

Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2010.10.20 23:50:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Here's a thought: if you got your ass handed to you despite having a billion more skillpoints than your enemy, maybe you suck.


Implying people are complaining about the game just because they lost a fight, and not because the new features are terribly thought out or just unpolished and left to rot.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2010.10.20 23:59:00 - [205]
 

Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 21/10/2010 00:02:20
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Here's a thought: if you got your ass handed to you despite having a billion more skillpoints than your enemy, maybe you suck.


Implying people are complaining about the game just because they lost a fight, and not because the new features are terribly thought out or just unpolished and left to rot.


I think I confused this thread with the nearly identical titled one where the guy was complaining that he lost a fight due to "blobs" even though he was clearly superior.

edit to add: that said, I'd point out that in a PVP game, the interests of the "bitter vets" generally do not coincide with the interests of the new players, and may in fact be at odds. e.g. PI may be an annoying clickfest, but then so was hauling NPC goods to buy my first cruiser last year, and that was way less profitable.

Terra Mikael
Horizon Dynamics
Posted - 2010.10.21 00:47:00 - [206]
 

Edited by: Terra Mikael on 21/10/2010 01:00:04

Originally by: Emperor Cheney
edit to add: that said, I'd point out that in a PVP game, the interests of the "bitter vets" generally do not coincide with the interests of the new players, and may in fact be at odds. e.g. PI may be an annoying clickfest, but then so was hauling NPC goods to buy my first cruiser last year, and that was way less profitable.


Yeah, but the bitter vets part is important because we actually know that quality of past patches. The only ones you've seen have sucked ass compared to what there was. There is no doubt that the overall quality of their work has gone down.

This is something that only some one who has been playing for a few years would notice. New players have nothing to compare it to.

Some of the patches i remember being absolutely awesome was the one where they completely overhauled all the models to what they are (trinity), then faction warfare (empyrean age was at least something to do for a few weeks) or even quantum rise, which mixed things up a bit. Then there was Apocrypha, which added something for everybody. Wormholes, faction and navy ships upgrades, you name it.


Dominion and tyrannis were awful compared to the patches before them. And I'm expecting incursions to be just as bad.

SamtheDog
Singularity.
Talon Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.21 04:00:00 - [207]
 

I played this game during beta, and have since 2004. These past few months though I've found myself playing less and less and thought about it for a long time as to why I didn't have the urge to log in and do my thing in eve. The game has grown immeansely during since I played in 2004. When 5000 players online at a time was considered busy, space was emptier and there was a real of unforseen achievement.

Eve's greatest strengh is that it never ends. It's largely a game of anticipation where you plan, prepare and anticipate going to a higher level of ships and ability to give you an edge. Putting economy on top, this makes for some macro and micro management of characters and how you play the game. The politics and social interaction has created some real-life meaning and friendships when players have played the game for years.

Eve has introduced content, but it's not really geared for those who are in the latter part of the game. Most content has been flooded in for newer - mid level players. Wormhole space was a failure. Yes it was new, I found a few and found nothing overly pleasing from it. Signature stuff in space was also added, but also meaningless due to its repetitiveness and non-inspired content.

Capitals were cool when first released, supercaps and titans were also increadible at the beginning. The first Avatar loss by Cyvok was real news. There was a sense of conquest and the wars down South were incredible points of conflict that brought many years of enjoyment through wars and politics. We don't feel that much anymore. Supercaps get popped daily and titans also drop often enough not to be a real accomplishment anymore. The insurance didn't help, since it made pvp actually profitable after a loss. There was no real sense of loss.

The latest patch of insurance was an improvement, but Eve has hit a real ceiling. I have Titan 5 trained for Amarr. That's the most difficult skill to train time wise and I did it because in all reality I had nothing better to train for. I flew an avatar for a while, and sold it. I have hit the pinnacle points in eve skillwise to accomplish, and now there is nothing left to strive for. Except for making isk when I feel like it, I've also found myself with 5 plexed accounts until July 2012, but there is really nothing left to strive for. What CCP really needs to understand is that there must ALWAYS be something to strive for in Eve. After 6 years of gameplay, we still need something to strive for. We need Tech 2 caps and supercaps with insane requirements. We need tech 4 and tech 5 ships. CCP would do well to create enough materials that would require a player to train for another 5 years to play with the new toys. Not just peicemeal additions of meaningless ships, but stuff that does pack a punch.....a REAL punch.

Until then, Eve has stagnated for its older players. There is so little left to accomplish, that without its main base that kept CCP going for so long, CCP will have reached its peak with small to meaningless additions of substandard additions content wise.

I do have faith though, otherwise I would not have plexed for 2 years.

Sam


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