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Brutorr
Posted - 2010.10.13 18:55:00 - [151]
 

Stop you're bitching.

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.13 19:14:00 - [152]
 

the next big thing is incursions yet 80% of last years fanfest content remains either half in or not in at all

Comets
all pirate factions having epic mission arcs not just 2
all races having incusion
t3 frigs dessies and t3 mods
oh never mind

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2010.10.13 19:21:00 - [153]
 

Late 2005er here ...

For me, I would not say that Eve has gotten better or worse. It has remained, overall, rather constant in my view. Some things about Eve I love, some things I dislike quite a bit. There have been good patches and bad patches. Some expansions bring fun and useful content, some bring head scratches. The forums are still full of trolls and ass hats as well as honestly helpful and constructive people.

Desyncs are mostly gone, tons more people can be crammed into Jita, nodes can handle more people, fleet fights, despite dominion are more smooth than they were. Client disconnects are very rare compared to the past. New ships, new systems, more play options, more things to do, more player control of the economy.

If Eve fails anywhere, it's that the core game play is stagnant. It hasn't been advanced one bit. People will eventually become bored and frustrated with tactics and strategies that have remained unchanged for years and years. Until space is fixed/upgraded, the situation will remain more or less as it is.

Put all the pepper you want on a meat pie, it's still just a bland ol meat pie.

CCP Adida


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.13 20:45:00 - [154]
 

Trolling comments removed

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.13 21:12:00 - [155]
 

Constant both good and bad. The bad patches seem to be more common latley some good work but it jus tisnt happening, dysncs dont happen cause u cant login to dysnic in the first place.

The core content pve wise hasnt advanced much theyve just gone up the same narrow path

PI well a good idea hopefuly the refinements will work my previous post about failed fanfest promises last year should be addressed

Terra Mikael
Horizon Dynamics
Posted - 2010.10.15 05:47:00 - [156]
 

Edited by: Terra Mikael on 15/10/2010 06:22:48

lol it took three four 'optional patches' to fix the overview.

Must be hard to pleasure CCP orally, while minding the step children and posting on the forums at the same time...Rolling EyesEmbarassedLaughing

edited for accuracy.

True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
Posted - 2010.10.15 06:25:00 - [157]
 

Clearly everyone in this thread is still hooked on eve enough to keep their account active, and read these forums enough to come across this post, and care enough to even bother typing a response.

Therefore they aren't doing that bad, as the big people say "speak with your feet" you really think its downhill, awful, blah blah blah, then prove it, quit!

Once 50% of the subscribers vanish, CCP will take notice of your whines, I mean genuine constructive feedback and change. Clearly they aren't doing that bad though as you aren't leaving.

Phony v2
Caldari
Dark Circle Enforcement
Posted - 2010.10.15 08:31:00 - [158]
 

Edited by: Phony v2 on 15/10/2010 08:34:09
I have played for over 7 years. I joined may of 2003. So I have been here since the beginning. I believe that it is going downhill. Not as in it is heading for death, but more it is in a valley right now in a cyclical way. It will come around.

One solution, I believe is for the game to move away from blob warfare. Or to change the tactics involved in blob warfare. Example: move away from constant sniping and such. and move to a way where the fleets can intermingle more often and fight at all ranges. I know that this does happen now but I think it should be encouraged through game mechanics.

I was hoping that blob warfare would be lessened with the revamping of the sovereignty system but alas this was not the case. I also think that commanding a fleet spread out over many systems or battlefields would be much more challenging and rewarding.

But to reply to the OP. Yes I think EVE is slightly on the downhill and I have been rather bored lately. But I have been bored before, and have taken breaks. I hope that after Incarna and DUST 514 come out that CCP can move back to its roots (mainly fixing those roots) and get EVE back on the up and up.

That's just my opinion,
Phony

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2010.10.15 08:40:00 - [159]
 

tbh i wouldnt want to work for a bunch of ungreatful asshats that is the eve community, ether.

You're an idiot if you think they should concentrate ONLY on fixing bugs. With the slew of upcoming space MMO's, eve needs to stay on top with the graphics or they'll just drift into the past like other 'old' games.

A new player compairing any MMO to say, the classic eve client, would probably pick any other MMO, simply because of the terrible aged graphics.

In short, by keeping these fluffy visuals up to date, they're ensuring that eve has a future, and that it will continue to grow.

The day they stop working on new features and graphics, is the day we stop gaining new players. And then it'll just be the really old hardcore players with absolutly no lives left. I dont really want to play in that cesspool.

Sral TBear
Shipwreck cove
Posted - 2010.10.15 09:26:00 - [160]
 

I was bitter, killed the power for the capsule for 4 months and returned 2 months ago...

Im not a real vet only 05`er, but for me it came down to that i lost my path and ended up doing what everyone else was doing instead of just doing what i wantet to do ugh

Being apart of something big (corp/alliance) will feed you with negative vibes....always someone who complain..and sometimes that is what feed the bitternes....

Ive gone solo and are having a second fun ride in eve....that works for me and kills the bitternes...


Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.10.15 11:32:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Terra Mikael
Edited by: Terra Mikael on 13/10/2010 04:54:37

Originally by: MasterEnt
Quote:
I have played for aprox. 5 years now and I find EVE to be still EVE. The only thing I find have changed is we have got much more whiners on the forums, and as such the tone towards each other become worse. Because when I joined early december 2005 everyone was nice and helpful. Now everyone is bitter and full of spite. But as I say: eve have very much stayed the same as a whole.



WIN - I have been playing since beta and I can confirm this.

Though I have to admit that the increased whiners have not only jaded old players, but CCP/EVE customer support and GMs as well.

Why don't they replace things anymore - too many f-in whiners.



Yes definitely. It is only because people whine that CCP's product quality and services have sucked complete ass lately. It only makes sense.

Logically, we can follow this through.

People whine->patch comes->people whine->quality goes down some more->people whine.

So the cause of eve's problems are from people not thinking happy thoughts about eve. The correlation couldn't be more clear.

If people would stop complaining, eve would suddenly be as awesome (lol?) as it was in beta.Rolling Eyes


Yes, and when people whine about the UI bugs as "gamebreaking" just like the lowsec lag, we can see that it is completely justified.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.10.15 14:41:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: HarrietMiers
Originally by: Reiisha
Also, someone always pays for EVE. Where do you think those plex are coming from? Thin air? Loot drops?
Read my quote. People still pay for eve? Had nothing to do with it back in 03. Contact me in game, I'd be happy to give you the name of my main from back then.


Point still stands, all subscriptions in EVE are accounted for financially - buying PLEX means someone else has payed for your sub. Someone always has to pay so i don't understand that comment.


Otherwise, i apoligize. I can be a bit inflammatory at times >_>

TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.10.15 14:47:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Brutorr
Stop you're bitching.


Only when you learn to use an apostrophe correctly.

Bloody Bolt
Posted - 2010.10.15 15:40:00 - [164]
 

Edited by: Bloody Bolt on 15/10/2010 15:53:02
Originally by: Bud Johnson
Eve isn't going downhill. The problem is that whiners are constructing a larger hill with their tears.

Easy fix: Instead of typing out that bawww post go play a different game(preferably after giving me your stuff).

+1

Edit: for those who talk about not completed new features, I want to remind that reasons were described pretty well in blogs. Strategy of introducing big changes with smaller steps looks reasonable. Thats for good of EVE in long term as is easier to evaluate consequences, fix in case of trouble, adapt for players, finally, makes less chaos.

The only thing I really worry about are those new not EVE related projects by CCP. Hope EVE will not loose a focus in future and in case it happens, CCP, can I have your stuff? Laughing

Kanexus
Posted - 2010.10.15 17:27:00 - [165]
 

All threads like this do is discourage new players into committing to eve...imagine signing up for a new game and reading thread after thread of how bad the game is or becoming..people nitpicking things about the game...I would love to see u guys gf/wives...if she is anything less than kim kardashin I suggest u find a new woman...even though she isn't perfect u still love her despite flaws right...or do u just ***** about her breast size or a zit on face etc...eve is a great game even though it has flaws...if its that bad quit if not then enjoy game still...and stop making threads like this cause believe it or not...u might be persuading another to quit

000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2010.10.15 17:59:00 - [166]
 

Whaa whaa whaa, eve is dying!!!...

Oh please... Stop ur whining and play the ffing game allready!!!


WHY???


BECAUSE IT'S FFING AWESOME!!! THATS WHY!!! Very Happy

Rheige Bladewhisper
Posted - 2010.10.15 19:39:00 - [167]
 

Hahaha, oh wow. So many people with so much sand in so many vag's in here.

I especially like the ones that complain about things that were present from day one, and how the 'sudden inclusion' of them caused EVE to go downhill.

HarrietMiers
Helljumpers
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2010.10.15 19:47:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: yourdoingitwrong
pretty funny to see the game literally degrading before everyone's eyes and the fanbois in epic denial mode. Every time I see it it's painful to watch, doesn't get easier with time.

Whelan Jr
Posted - 2010.10.15 19:58:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Phony v2

One solution, I believe is for the game to move away from blob warfare. Or to change the tactics involved in blob warfare.



This.

More specifically, remove capital ships and cynos. The ability of an alliance to drop huge firepower across huge expanses of space dramatically "shrunk" 0.0 space. When they're gone....an alliance of formerly "high-sec" corporations has a much better chance of moving into, and holding, new space. Plus, it seems intuitively that having nothing larger than battle ships will make combat, strategy, and tactics, much more fun and engaging.

digitalwanderer
Gallente
DF0 incorporated
Posted - 2010.10.16 01:47:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Whelan Jr
Originally by: Phony v2

One solution, I believe is for the game to move away from blob warfare. Or to change the tactics involved in blob warfare.



This.

More specifically, remove capital ships and cynos. The ability of an alliance to drop huge firepower across huge expanses of space dramatically "shrunk" 0.0 space. When they're gone....an alliance of formerly "high-sec" corporations has a much better chance of moving into, and holding, new space. Plus, it seems intuitively that having nothing larger than battle ships will make combat, strategy, and tactics, much more fun and engaging.



Then find a way to pay me back the odd 13~14 billion isk i payed for capital ship books and support skill books related to those capital ships,and also allow to redistribute the odd 30+ million skill points i've sunk into training those skills too.



Lady Parity
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.10.16 02:13:00 - [171]
 

Yes eve is going down hill

0.0 - Too many NAPs, it is hilarious how NC compare their coalition to RL but fail to include other RL stuff that prevent MASS NAPing, the BFF prop that convinced the noobs that fighting 10000000000000:1 odds just makes them look even worse than they are.

So that means 0.0 is out of the question, I like diplomacy I hate being NAPed to everything in 73 jumps where all I see everyday is people *****ing about someone else taking their ratting space.

Ok so that sums up 0.0, fortunately the south always has activity but only thanks to bitter vets leaving :'(

WHs, are nice and fun really nice that CCP introduced them but sadly dont get as much activity as they should, still much better than NAP land.

Low sec, low sec has been dead for years

Empire, identically to Northern 0.0 (because theirs really no combat in either territories) I now spend most of my time station spinning wondering when I will cancel my remaining accounts.

CCP need to fix the following

1. NAPs, they want it like RL then add food consumption / capacity on troops, "just like Iraq vs USA"

2. Fix lagg, havent played in a few weeks kindda already quit but im going to assume lagg is still around which will always be there as long as there is freedom to MASS NAP / BLOB

3. More unholy rages, kill off all macro ratters / miners

4. Introduce an expansion that encourages war and reduces NAPs

Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.10.16 02:21:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Lady Parity
Yes eve is going down hill

0.0 - Too many NAPs, it is hilarious how NC compare their coalition to RL but fail to include other RL stuff that prevent MASS NAPing, the BFF prop that convinced the noobs that fighting 10000000000000:1 odds just makes them look even worse than they are.

So that means 0.0 is out of the question, I like diplomacy I hate being NAPed to everything in 73 jumps where all I see everyday is people *****ing about someone else taking their ratting space.

Ok so that sums up 0.0, fortunately the south always has activity but only thanks to bitter vets leaving :'(

WHs, are nice and fun really nice that CCP introduced them but sadly dont get as much activity as they should, still much better than NAP land.

Low sec, low sec has been dead for years

Empire, identically to Northern 0.0 (because theirs really no combat in either territories) I now spend most of my time station spinning wondering when I will cancel my remaining accounts.

CCP need to fix the following

1. NAPs, they want it like RL then add food consumption / capacity on troops, "just like Iraq vs USA"

2. Fix lagg, havent played in a few weeks kindda already quit but im going to assume lagg is still around which will always be there as long as there is freedom to MASS NAP / BLOB

3. More unholy rages, kill off all macro ratters / miners

4. Introduce an expansion that encourages war and reduces NAPs
Yup, Musical Fist is pretty much the definition of the bitter vet, aren't you?

HarrietMiers
Helljumpers
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2010.10.16 03:25:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Lady Parity
Yes eve is going down hill

0.0 - Too many NAPs, it is hilarious how NC compare their coalition to RL but fail to include other RL stuff that prevent MASS NAPing, the BFF prop that convinced the noobs that fighting 10000000000000:1 odds just makes them look even worse than they are.

So that means 0.0 is out of the question, I like diplomacy I hate being NAPed to everything in 73 jumps where all I see everyday is people *****ing about someone else taking their ratting space.

Ok so that sums up 0.0, fortunately the south always has activity but only thanks to bitter vets leaving :'(

WHs, are nice and fun really nice that CCP introduced them but sadly dont get as much activity as they should, still much better than NAP land.

Low sec, low sec has been dead for years

Empire, identically to Northern 0.0 (because theirs really no combat in either territories) I now spend most of my time station spinning wondering when I will cancel my remaining accounts.

CCP need to fix the following

1. NAPs, they want it like RL then add food consumption / capacity on troops, "just like Iraq vs USA"

2. Fix lagg, havent played in a few weeks kindda already quit but im going to assume lagg is still around which will always be there as long as there is freedom to MASS NAP / BLOB

3. More unholy rages, kill off all macro ratters / miners

4. Introduce an expansion that encourages war and reduces NAPs


Sup Aneu/Musical Fist.

Some p. good trolling bro.

Phony v2
Caldari
Dark Circle Enforcement
Posted - 2010.10.16 03:43:00 - [174]
 

Edited by: Phony v2 on 16/10/2010 03:45:13
Originally by: Lady Parity
Yes eve is going down hill

0.0 - Too many NAPs, it is hilarious how NC compare their coalition to RL but fail to include other RL stuff that prevent MASS NAPing, the BFF prop that convinced the noobs that fighting 10000000000000:1 odds just makes them look even worse than they are.

So that means 0.0 is out of the question, I like diplomacy I hate being NAPed to everything in 73 jumps where all I see everyday is people *****ing about someone else taking their ratting space.




I'm guessing you are saying that NAPs dont work in real life because why would two people just sit next to each other and not fight while they are deploying troops somewhere, and not fight anything? But you are forgetting in EVE that When group A and Group B are in a war with each other, they are not the only combatant groups. You are forgetting NPCs. Even though they are NPC's they are still a thingeveryone is fighting and making money and other things off of to be able to sustain a military force. That is why it works in EVE and not in real life...( and all the other stuff that makes a corp/alliance/coalition money)

edit: I dont endorse NAP's. I would like to have as many people as possible to kill and try to kill me...I was just explaining the difference...

Lady Parity
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.10.16 04:19:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Phony v2
Edited by: Phony v2 on 16/10/2010 03:45:13
Originally by: Lady Parity
Yes eve is going down hill

0.0 - Too many NAPs, it is hilarious how NC compare their coalition to RL but fail to include other RL stuff that prevent MASS NAPing, the BFF prop that convinced the noobs that fighting 10000000000000:1 odds just makes them look even worse than they are.

So that means 0.0 is out of the question, I like diplomacy I hate being NAPed to everything in 73 jumps where all I see everyday is people *****ing about someone else taking their ratting space.




I'm guessing you are saying that NAPs dont work in real life because why would two people just sit next to each other and not fight while they are deploying troops somewhere, and not fight anything? But you are forgetting in EVE that When group A and Group B are in a war with each other, they are not the only combatant groups. You are forgetting NPCs. Even though they are NPC's they are still a thingeveryone is fighting and making money and other things off of to be able to sustain a military force. That is why it works in EVE and not in real life...( and all the other stuff that makes a corp/alliance/coalition money)

edit: I dont endorse NAP's. I would like to have as many people as possible to kill and try to kill me...I was just explaining the difference...


The quoted "just like RL" is usually mentioned because until NC did its whole BFF bull**** prop the excuse for having everything NAPed was “it is just like Iraq vs USA".

I will eventually get bored of whining and just move on to a different game but with so many players leaving due to lack of PvP I would hardly say keeping things as there are will work well.

Several years ago there was an insane amount of wars in 0.0, almost all the older players would remember this, alliances came, alliances died etc, then NC was born to combat NAPs (irony) only to turn into the biggest NAP fest where its justifications have left its own members inactive & bored.

This isnt the first time eve has had a lag problem and this wont be the last time CCP fix it but when they do the same thing happens, alliances blob everything they have to crash the node and reduce losses.

Then we get the hypocrites aka CSM who have repeatedly over the past several years OVER and OVER had "killing blob warfare" as a major overall priority yet it is funny how it is never mentioned after the 'elections'.

I think it is safe to say majority of players are only on eve because nothing better is out (with the exception of things like SC2) but unless CCP do something the ONLY people that will left in eve will PvE because right now PvP is dying and sov warfare, well that died years ago.

Simetraz
Posted - 2010.10.16 04:54:00 - [176]
 

Edited by: Simetraz on 16/10/2010 04:57:58
I have yet to meet someone in game who actually reads the forums.
Last time I mentioned (about a week ago) some item on the forums everyone in the corp openly admitted they don't read them anymore because of all the whining and useless topics.

Apparently they were all to busy playing EVE.

EVE going downhill NO, EVE forums going/gone down hill YES.

And far as fixing Blob warfare. That is a player creation not CCP's.
If the players decide to stop blobbing then poof no more blob warfare.
And before you even start with excuses show me the gun to your head.









Snowmann
Posted - 2010.10.16 05:11:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Simetraz
Edited by: Simetraz on 16/10/2010 04:57:58
I have yet to meet someone in game who actually reads the forums.


I have also noticed for a long time that the average person I meet in game is not like the average poster on the forums.

Many of those who post on the forums already have an axe to grind, which significantly shifts the vibe of the forums verses the average player ingame.

That's why, as a game desiger, strickly using the forums as your feedback is rarely a good idea.
I know that will get many of the regulars going, but sometimes the ego needs to be deflated a bit.

Have you ever felt you were shouting at a wall in a sound proof room? Wink

Terra Mikael
Horizon Dynamics
Posted - 2010.10.17 09:42:00 - [178]
 

Just to clarify, that last expansion that actually made things interesting was apocrypha (March 2009).

we've had two boring expansions since then (dominion,tyrannis), and we are going to have two more boring ones after that (incursion and incarna). Like somebody else said, eve is in a valley at the moment, a low point. They need to make things interesting again.

Gallant Reflex
Posted - 2010.10.17 13:43:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Vaal Erit
Originally by: Nareg Maxence
- I'd like some kind of instanced areas that you can explore and actually live in for a while, with stuff to find and shoot and loot. Not closed off areas obviously, open to everyone, if they can find it. Eventually you will dry out the resources and leave, closing the instance or you will be driven out by someone wanting to take over.


Perhaps one day CCP will release a cool system to work with our scanning system. Like create over 5000 systems that you can only get to by scanning out a spatial anomaly or "wormhole". This "wormhole" will lead to unique places with special effects like increased dps or increased range on your weapons and have new challenging NPCs with very good AI. Eventually the complexes there will not re-spawn and I'll be forced to look around. Even more there could be a whole class of ships based on the parts I find in these "wormholes". Man, if only CCP would release something like that I'd sub forever.

And to all the other crybabies, you call the game broken but cannot point to a single change that broke the game. Lag is much better than post dominion, I've been in 500 man fights recently. I own people daily in blaster ships and rockets are getting fixed and you can use a non-rocket ship in the mean time. I have >10 solo kills in 0.0 this week and I'm not even trying. HTFU whiners.


This +1

Lady Parity
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.10.17 13:49:00 - [180]
 

Despite my constant whining and *****ing I do have something todo in eve HOWEVER I cant say it is always fun, there is still a nice balance of fun / boredom in the game but this only applies to true empire, not the make believe empire aka Northern 0.0 that discourages combat.


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