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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2010.10.12 01:55:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Fuzzy Something
I just came back after being away a year-and-a-half, and I'm actually amazed at just how little EvE has changed since 2008. Even the forum whines are about the same (see: "Why can't I set the autopilot on warp to zero?" and "I got ganked in highsec, isn't CONCORD supposed to protect me?")

If anything, I like the place better now than I did, because the forums are not full of Goon spam. That got old in a hurry.


and how do I fit drake threads, can't forget them.

and as an empire dweller imo very little has actually changed for me. my impression of 0.0 is a fairly stagnate pvp environment, with people just endlessly farming anoms all day long, and have to dock/pos up every now and then because a neutral comes through.

Nikita Haley
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.10.12 03:10:00 - [122]
 

Expected the op to be about Gallente ships, left disappointed.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.10.12 03:26:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Nikita Haley
Expected the op to be about Gallente ships, left disappointed.


Vets have more than one race trained, and have weathered many buffs and nerfs.

I think you're talking about people who believe 5mil SP in something is srs bsns.

MC Purge
Posted - 2010.10.12 05:31:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
and as an empire dweller imo very little has actually changed for me. my impression of 0.0 is a fairly stagnate pvp environment, with people just endlessly farming anoms all day long, and have to dock/pos up every now and then because a neutral comes through.


Don't even need to dock. Warp in, get aggro, warp in logi alt, drop drones. If neutral comes in, scoop drones, right click warp to safespot bookmark and cloak.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.10.12 06:13:00 - [125]
 

Rather than read this entire thread, and look at pro and con arguments, I want to just simplify things right now.

I am going to take my shirt off, and challenge all of you to a wrestling match.



Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.10.12 10:24:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Rather than read this entire thread, and look at pro and con arguments, I want to just simplify things right now.

I am going to take my shirt off, and challenge all of you to a wrestling match.



very well then, I demand fistycuffs!

Muul Udonii
Minmatar
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.10.12 13:58:00 - [127]
 

I gotta love the folks who hate a game so much they spend either 15 a month, or enough time playing it to earn 360million ISK, as a minimum per month, and in the time they are not playing it; whine on the forums about how everyone who doesn't hate the game should hate it and quit.


Don't you have anything more constructive to do with your time?

fivetide humidyear
Gallente
Fool Mental Junket
Posted - 2010.10.12 14:01:00 - [128]
 

its not getting any worse but hasn't got better for 2 years for me.

MasterEnt
Posted - 2010.10.12 15:27:00 - [129]
 

Quote:
I have played for aprox. 5 years now and I find EVE to be still EVE. The only thing I find have changed is we have got much more whiners on the forums, and as such the tone towards each other become worse. Because when I joined early december 2005 everyone was nice and helpful. Now everyone is bitter and full of spite. But as I say: eve have very much stayed the same as a whole.



WIN - I have been playing since beta and I can confirm this.

Though I have to admit that the increased whiners have not only jaded old players, but CCP/EVE customer support and GMs as well.

Why don't they replace things anymore - too many f-in whiners.

Terra Mikael
Horizon Dynamics
Posted - 2010.10.13 04:31:00 - [130]
 

Edited by: Terra Mikael on 13/10/2010 04:54:37

Originally by: MasterEnt
Quote:
I have played for aprox. 5 years now and I find EVE to be still EVE. The only thing I find have changed is we have got much more whiners on the forums, and as such the tone towards each other become worse. Because when I joined early december 2005 everyone was nice and helpful. Now everyone is bitter and full of spite. But as I say: eve have very much stayed the same as a whole.



WIN - I have been playing since beta and I can confirm this.

Though I have to admit that the increased whiners have not only jaded old players, but CCP/EVE customer support and GMs as well.

Why don't they replace things anymore - too many f-in whiners.



Yes definitely. It is only because people whine that CCP's product quality and services have sucked complete ass lately. It only makes sense.

Logically, we can follow this through.

People whine->patch comes->people whine->quality goes down some more->people whine.

So the cause of eve's problems are from people not thinking happy thoughts about eve. The correlation couldn't be more clear.

If people would stop complaining, eve would suddenly be as awesome (lol?) as it was in beta.Rolling Eyes

Mercfh
Posted - 2010.10.13 05:30:00 - [131]
 

This is coming from a new player so I dont "understand" the change everyones gone through, but I understand why they are doing it.

I think it's good in a way that it appeals to a new market. Sure......vets will be upset, but dont you want the game to succeed as a whole? I mean the more people that sign up, the more money CCP gets, the more they can make changes and do cool stuff.

I mean....im a total newb so I dont know how it was "back then", but surely you cannot think CCP can keep surviving if hardly any newcomers came? It sucks that things get changed to appeal to newcomers (IE, making it more friendly...since that is what scared away people).

A necessary evil IMO.

HarrietMiers
Helljumpers
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2010.10.13 06:38:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: yourdoingitwrong
pretty funny to see the game literally degrading before everyone's eyes and the fanbois in epic denial mode. Every time I see it it's painful to watch, doesn't get easier with time.

Vexion Daran
Gallente
Templars of Space
Northern Associates.
Posted - 2010.10.13 07:51:00 - [133]
 

I don't think this whining is from most of the players. Prolly a few using multiple accounts to get the idea there are a lot. Prolly not even vets saying it.

I have been playing EVE since 2003-07-06. I log in everyday and see what i will do. I got multiple accounts. I go pvp with my corp if there setup or i'll go run some missions, scan down some plex, go visit wormhole space, take a shot at some PI or just chat away. Mining is not my thing, but for fun i mine sometimes to build something for myself. Playing with the market is fun too

EVE has a lot of options. maybe too many for some players.

I also think that the people whining about content are people that do not grasp the idea of EVE. EVE is much more then just content and making isk asap. I think some whiners here should play other games and stop messing up our forums like this.

Zions Child
Caldari
The Resident Haunting
Posted - 2010.10.13 08:15:00 - [134]
 

I think I started playing back in April 2006. Ironically, I signed up April Fool's Day. I loved EVE. It was great. Everything was shiny and amazing. The Universe was huge! There was so much gate traffic, and you could really see it back then without warp to zero! The place felt enormous. As if I could do anything if I really tried for it, but that I'd have to work my ass off to get where all the "old" players were.

But then, things started to change. I got better. I got tired. After a point, it all changed. As opposed to being able to do anything if I worked, it became I can do anything if I felt like it. I could mine, tomorrow. I could PvP (though I'd have to practice a bit to get mah skills back) the day after. And if I really wanted to, I could start a player corporation and carve a niche out of the place for myself.

That being said, I look at EVE in an entirely new light from the view as a veteran. No matter what they add or take away, EVE will never be the same as it was those first few months. I'll never be able to look at a Titan and go "wow, they finally built one! How amazing!" not because they're easy to get, but because there's only so much sand to play in in this Universe.

The size of the sandbox we play in is indeed large. That being said, there is only so much wonder one can get out of it. Apocrypha was so well received, not because it introduced content, I think, but because it introduced a sense of wonder. Even us bitter old vets looked at it and said, "Wow, this is something different, something new, something with potential."

EVE has a future. Sure, there are bugs, but when aren't there? Sure, they might be giving a slight advantage to players with more real money, but money can buy you anything anyways. Those people don't get to experience the game in quite the same way as I did, or the rest of the vets like me did. The game practically holds your hand through the NPE. There was something to be said for thrusting somebody into this dark, murderous, col-blooded environment we all know and love as EVE.

Anyways, I've kinda gone on a rant. Its 3:00 AM here, and I had a goddamned Exam on thermodynamics today, so I can't think straight. EVE will survive. EVE has fluctuating stability, oh well, I don't like how the recent expansions have been buggy and content lacking, but thats how it is. Things will change for the better eventually, as CCP almost certainly love their flagship product. EVE is like their child, and I do not think the creative minds behind it would sell their child for a shiny new car. Besides. I think Oveur already has a shiny sports car.

Jastra
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.13 08:39:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: MasterEnt
Quote:
I have played for aprox. 5 years now and I find EVE to be still EVE. The only thing I find have changed is we have got much more whiners on the forums, and as such the tone towards each other become worse. Because when I joined early december 2005 everyone was nice and helpful. Now everyone is bitter and full of spite. But as I say: eve have very much stayed the same as a whole.



WIN - I have been playing since beta and I can confirm this.

Though I have to admit that the increased whiners have not only jaded old players, but CCP/EVE customer support and GMs as well.

Why don't they replace things anymore - too many f-in whiners.



/signed - EVE - still hands down best game I have played, even and better now than it was in 2005 when I was a mere nooblet, only thing that got worse was the constant whining, these forums used to be a lot more fun and relaxed

Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2010.10.13 09:06:00 - [136]
 

Why can't somebody leak the server code like in Lineage2 and UO.

I'd sort this game right out.

Paknac Queltel
Baden's Army
Posted - 2010.10.13 09:13:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Nicholas Barker
Why can't somebody leak the server code like in Lineage2 and UO.

I'd sort this game right out.
There's an open-source EVE server that needs quite a bit of sorting.

With your help, they might even be able to PVP someday. Razz

Eris Davion
Posted - 2010.10.13 09:47:00 - [138]
 

I haven't found a game yet that doesn't have "bitter old vets" complaining about either the direction the game is taking, bugs or game-balances that haven't been fixed yet, or how the game is becoming stagnant.

Some of them have valid points. Some of them are just whiners. And sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.

One good sign, though, is when they cite an ongoing issue as "proof" of things going downhill shortly after the devs open the windows a bit on what they're doing to try and fix that issue and make a reasonable demonstration of why the easy, overnight fix they're asking for isn't plausible.

Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2010.10.13 10:01:00 - [139]
 

Eve for me over the past 6 years has got better every year, from content to lag to the players.

There has been a massive increase in whining on the forums in the past year, to me it seems like people have been spoilt by ccp with a very well designed game. The flaws/issues/problems get smaller and smaller every year yet the band wagon whining gets worse.

I just dont read these threads any more, i play the game and im enjoying myself more now than i ever did.

Maybe its just because i remeber what eve was like 3+ years ago, with the lag, bugs mistakes and all.

ive dabbled in other MMOs over the years and it astonishes me how much better this game is compared to others with random downtimes, bugs that dont get fixed, fetures that dont deliver etc.

I spose if ccp wants to keep their forum open to all forums of player feed back, then the whiners gunna whine, but i certinly dont have to read it all and niether do you.

Borgis Lobal
Posted - 2010.10.13 10:05:00 - [140]
 

I think the era you joined eve has quite an effect on how you view the game. I have been playing since 2003 and I think eve is pretty good as we had pretty limited content at the beginning.

Those who joined later will probably have a different point of view as the later you join, the more content there is, also, you expect more combat related content as eve goes on.

A lot of peeps are pretty ****ed, it seems, as there is nothing new PVP wise. The next patch is all about PVE and you combat guys just aren't used to no content in a patch, this amuses me greatly.

There have been many patches without indy/science stuff, but over the years we have just learnt that CCP is not interested in developing this area more, maybe now it's time for PVP to take a back seat for an expansion or 2.

One important thing to note is that eve is NOT about you, this may bruise a few egos, but eve is not built solely for you or your play style. There are lots of people besides you that play eve and you're not that important so stop your whining and grow a pair. Once you realise this fact, you can probably enjoy the game again Very Happy

Eve isn't the best game in the world, it has it's problems, but it is still one of the best mmo's out there. If you don't like it, stop paying and vote with your wallet instead of playing this game you hate so much.

Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2010.10.13 10:59:00 - [141]
 

Edited by: Nicholas Barker on 13/10/2010 11:00:46
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
Why can't somebody leak the server code like in Lineage2 and UO.

I'd sort this game right out.
There's an open-source EVE server that needs quite a bit of sorting.

With your help, they might even be able to PVP someday. Razz


I meant running the server, i'm not programming savvy to get the software working.

I'd change the map for a free server (Map would be two areas of highsec, surrounded by null and lowsec that connect them.), cut training times by 3/4 (So people can actually have a go at stuff more quickly), and actually try to make changes that affect game play for the better without giving anybody any notice until i've found the perfect balance.

May i add, these changes wouldn't be what i'd do to the real server, just a low player capped "eve-lite" for messing around with stuff.

Wouldn't run it for profit, just to try and get CCPs attention and maybe a job.

Jovialmadness
Posted - 2010.10.13 14:04:00 - [142]
 

I am fairly sure we have always had the same number of fail whiners. The only difference is its the same guys using alts and these guys being complete and utter morons adds to the comedy.


Zia Aiz
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2010.10.13 14:18:00 - [143]
 

Unless people actually stop playing the game by massive numbers, or CCP decides to shut down EVE forever, EVE isn't failing.

In fact:
* Eve online continues to break online records and active accounts.
* By votes Eve online won awards for best online game ( http://www.european-games-award.com/index.php/awards/peoples-awards/67-best-onlinegame )
* Almost every day a threat is born that EVE is failing, this has been so for years.

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.10.13 15:18:00 - [144]
 

Most of these so called bitter old vets, are not bitter old vets.
They are ex wow players that bought an old char and pretended they know which hole they are talking out of.
bear this in mind.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.10.13 15:27:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Most of these so called bitter old vets, are not bitter old vets.
They are ex wow players that bought an old char and pretended they know which hole they are talking out of.
bear this in mind.


You seem to know much about this.

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.10.13 16:02:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Most of these so called bitter old vets, are not bitter old vets.
They are ex wow players that bought an old char and pretended they know which hole they are talking out of.
bear this in mind.


You seem to know much about this.


I wouldnt say so, its quite obvious.
All i know is the original owners of a few of the chars whining.

Ocih
Amarr
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2010.10.13 16:56:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Most of these so called bitter old vets, are not bitter old vets.
They are ex wow players that bought an old char and pretended they know which hole they are talking out of.
bear this in mind.


You seem to know much about this.


Thats a bunch of troll crap. WoW players like WoW. Thats why they play it. They dont ebay 5K to get a skilled EvE character to come **** and moan on a forum.

The simple truth is, you play something for 5 years it gets boring. EvE was never that difficult to begin with. The open ended PvP just made it messy. Even that gets old after a while. All MMOs die. EvE is no different. It isnt failure on CCPs part. They had unmatched success. 7 years later its rolling along. Maybe they will get another 7 out of it. I doubt it.

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.10.13 17:01:00 - [148]
 

Is the collective term for "crap" a "bunch" ?

Ocih
Amarr
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2010.10.13 17:55:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: Ocih
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Is the collective term for "crap" a "bunch" ?


Thats the best you could manage?

Get the **** out of the house dude. U need air.


Just asking a question man, whats your problem ?


Oh no. A flame on the EvE forums. Whatever shall I do?

Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2010.10.13 18:39:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Ocih
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: Ocih
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Is the collective term for "crap" a "bunch" ?


Thats the best you could manage?

Get the **** out of the house dude. U need air.


Just asking a question man, whats your problem ?


Oh no. A flame on the EvE forums. Whatever shall I do?


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