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Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.10.11 10:38:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: oil
promotion of treason with their new trailer



. . . how's that a bad thing?

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.11 10:45:00 - [92]
 

Eve was originally designed as a niche game, and it was so good precisely for that reason.

Eve was a game designed by and for people who appreciate that planning and intelligence should be the path to success. The devs understood back then that you can't have a true victory without the possibility of defeat.

However, since the publishing deal which saw the re-release of a boxed set a while back, the emphasis has increasingly been on making Eve appeal to a more mainstream audience.

Now, there's nothing wrong with being in the mainstream, but the world would be a worse place if everything was there.

For example, I'm sure that the musical stylings of Cheryl Cole bring pleasure to millions of people, but her songs aren't to everyone's taste, so it's good that there are still a few people with actual talent out there releasing music.

And so it is with Eve. The gaming world will be a worse place if CCP continue to go down the path of doing things just because other games are doing them. Rather, they should continue to innovate and break new ground.

Bringing in microtransactions isn't either of those.


KhaniKirai
Posted - 2010.10.11 10:50:00 - [93]
 

Well, I think slowly the numbers of character "sales/transfers" is also increasing over the last months.

Maybe people are getting a bit annoyed with the direction ccp is heading and their lack of new content and that "18 month" blog they posted a while ago.

Abaroth Charmar
Posted - 2010.10.11 11:40:00 - [94]
 

I preferred it when it was quieter. When 10,000 PCU was a big deal. When 400 in Jita was "over9000!". When WTZ didn't exist. When AB/MWD had pretty trails. When jump gates blew your speakers.

Maybe EVE's halcyon days are yet to come, but I doubt dancing avatars in stations are a step in the right direction. Rolling Eyes

Aftermath 71
Posted - 2010.10.11 12:16:00 - [95]
 

From the POV of a new player eve most likely would be quite amazing , as it was fantastic when i started several years ago.
However from "bitter vet" POV i can so understand the frustration atleast from Dominion release up to now.
Loads of ccp bs and promices of things still not released or fail realease and the few things that actually worked wasnt adding so much to content for vets.
And tyrannis it made me laugh i mean really laughing at the release day , PI beeing finished or not ,it was sarcastic funny for 10 min atleast :)

Base bottom , eve is a great game and no competition out there with nice content the first years ,after that you start buying GTC for isk and can semi-play or take a break without stopping any training (GTC/isk trade is really saving ccp's arse)

Bitter vet fix : Dont read about what next upgrade will bring , just apply the patch and see what actually arrived
also stop looking at new official videos its to attract NEW players and is full of lies and incorrectness :)

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2010.10.11 12:33:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 11/10/2010 12:34:43
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: HarrietMiers
LOL which dev are you?

Patience? Crippling lag for over a year. Serious imbalance problems, broken sov (remember treaties?), unstoppable super capital blobs (goes to balancing issues), stagnant broken boring game.

What are you playing?


and before that it was titans online.


and before that it was even more crippling lag online.


and before that it was deathstar POS online.


I liked deathstar POS online (pre-dreads or just after introduction where there were few of them). Brings back good memories, multiple ACTUAL fights around POSes (you know, battleships warping in/out, killing dictors and stuff). Nowadays its either LOLOLOL supercaps. Or even LOLOLOL counter-hotdrop-youdied.

For me EVE peak was just before apocrypha - when fleet fights didnt lag that much, desync was gone and there was no supercap spam. Sure there were multi-titan-DDs but you saw much less supcaps on the field overall and BS saw much more use. And dreads were actually useful.

Locupleto
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2010.10.11 15:31:00 - [97]
 

And as you mention the last and the coming expansions arenít very special in terms of what they deliver right now to the players.
But both of those are steps in the right direction for some exciting things.

This thread has some bad posts but they mention valid problems. My personal pet peeve is the buggy overview. There is a good long list of bugs, glitches, and things to fix. Everyone is upset when itís not their personal priority being worked on.

The game has changed quite a bit since I have started playing in 2006 much for the better.

And I very much appreciate how CCP tries to move forward in small deliberate steps rather than releasing for the sensational value.

LHA Tarawa
Posted - 2010.10.11 16:51:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Terra Mikael
And that's pretty much what eve is about - the combat. That and forum trolling. but i digresss...


WRONG! EVE is a sandbox in which each person can decide for themselves what the game is pretty much about. 2/3rds of people living in high sec indicates to me, that for most people, it is NOT about the combat.

There are areas, like FW, pirate infested low-sec hotspots, and Providence where it is all about the pewpew. For other people, in other areas, it is about other things.

It is not your place to tell other people what EVE should be about for them.

NARDAC
Posted - 2010.10.11 16:58:00 - [99]
 

The last patch TOTALLY sucked.

SOOO many bugs. Such a CPU hog. 3 optional patches, and they haven't fixed 10% of the disaster.

I was trying to run logistics yesterday. Overview buggy as f, fleet window going blank switching from history to fleet composition, laggy as heck with the new heavier CPU foot print, windows moving all over... argh.


Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.10.11 17:05:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Voith
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
It is already there. Eve went to **** the minute they allowed multiple characters/accounts per person.[/eve]

Every single game in existence does this and always has. Grow up.


And until Eve every single MMO was about Elves casting Magic Missile.

Eve should just Grow up and stop trying to change things with its "sand box" and Non-Fantasy setting.


I said every game, and EvE isnt the first mmo or game w/o magic missile. Also, you could have multiple accounts of eve from the day it was released, nullifying your arguement.

yourdoingitwrong
Posted - 2010.10.11 18:39:00 - [101]
 

pretty funny to see the game literally degrading before everyone's eyes and the fanbois in epic denial mode. Every time I see it it's painful to watch, doesn't get easier with time.

Dr Fighter
Posted - 2010.10.11 18:41:00 - [102]
 

to coin a vets phrase from yesteryear: "Adapt or die."

HarrietMiers
Helljumpers
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2010.10.11 18:47:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: yourdoingitwrong
pretty funny to see the game literally degrading before everyone's eyes and the fanbois in epic denial mode. Every time I see it it's painful to watch, doesn't get easier with time.

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2010.10.11 19:21:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: yourdoingitwrong
pretty funny to see the game literally degrading before everyone's eyes and the fanbois in epic denial mode. Every time I see it it's painful to watch, doesn't get easier with time.


+1

Snowmann
Posted - 2010.10.11 19:36:00 - [105]
 

Why does it nearly always have to come down to hatebois vs. fanbois?

Eventhough you may really hate where the game is now, it has been worse in the past, and will most certainly be better in the future and maybe even worse once again at some point. It's a "glass is half empty" vs. "glass is half full" thing.

Stop living in the moment surrounded by a fog of tunnel vission and realize that things will always have their ups and downs. It's called life, and we are all human. Humans make mistakes; we are not perfect. Stop expecting perfection. You will only always end up a disappointed hatebois.

/realisticbois

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.10.11 19:49:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: yourdoingitwrong
pretty funny to see the game literally degrading before everyone's eyes and the fanbois in epic denial mode. Every time I see it it's painful to watch, doesn't get easier with time.
I have seen the light then.

EVE is dying, let's all go play Black Prophecy, as the great Joe Phoenix said to do.

then again, it's hatebois. If you hate the game why playing anyways.

OH OH I KNOW! YOU'RE NOT HATEBOIS AFTERALL!

YOU'RE TROLLS!






/trollboi.

CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2010.10.11 19:53:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Terra Mikael
Edited by: Terra Mikael on 10/10/2010 15:44:04

I've been playing eve pretty much for 3 years or so, and it always seemed to be on the up and up.

Sure, we had our share of nerfs, but overall it seemed that each little expansion always had a plus. It added something to the combat aspect of the game.

And that's pretty much what eve is about - the combat. That and forum trolling. but i digresss...

But what really have we gotten recently? Planetary click-a-thon (makes mining exciting by comparison!). Oh, and the scorpion was re-skinned. Super! And the most glorious thing about the next expansion is going to be WoW style raiding in space. Oh, and we get to remake our avatars. woohoo.

Whats up with this ****ing lackluster content? There's a list of combat related problems a mile long, from from hybrids/blasters being less competitive to rockets, to destroyers to unbelievable lag, to, well, you get the picture.

Honestly its like CCP isn't even trying anymore. :****:

Waddayathing?

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist


Well, EVE may be going downhill, but not for the reasons you mention imho.

Spyra Gryra
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
Posted - 2010.10.11 19:57:00 - [108]
 

If I had one wish, what would it be? Uh ... a German Shepard that could talk to me

yourdoingitwrong
Posted - 2010.10.11 19:59:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: yourdoingitwrong on 11/10/2010 20:01:32
Originally by: Snowmann
Why does it nearly always have to come down to hatebois vs. fanbois?

Eventhough you may really hate where the game is now, it has been worse in the past, and will most certainly be better in the future and maybe even worse once again at some point. It's a "glass is half empty" vs. "glass is half full" thing.

Stop living in the moment surrounded by a fog of tunnel vission and realize that things will always have their ups and downs. It's called life, and we are all human. Humans make mistakes; we are not perfect. Stop expecting perfection. You will only always end up a disappointed hatebois.

/realisticbois



then lets be realistic, it has been going downhill for sometime now, it is the people who stand up and take notice that have always kept this game going forward, forwarding good ideas and not putting up with bad expansions and keeping on the developers for bug fixes. A fanboi is a dangerous element who's tunnel vision goes into seeing that no improvement ever goes into a game. Because "nothing" is ever wrong. When things are going bad CCP needs to know it.

Ghoest
Posted - 2010.10.11 20:08:00 - [110]
 

Its been going down hill for the last 2 years.

Im not saying the game is done, but they took their eye off the ball(or what ever other cool cliche you like.)

One of the big problems is they stopped adding new content that excites core players and instead starting adding content to support feature for or burrowed from their other new games.

That said EVE still offers a better sandbox than any other MMO - especially if they can get lag under control like it used to be and fix this stupid patch.

Snowmann
Posted - 2010.10.11 20:39:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: yourdoingitwrong
...A fanboi is a dangerous element who's tunnel vision goes into seeing that no improvement ever goes into a game. Because "nothing" is ever wrong. When things are going bad CCP needs to know it.


While it is true, there are a very few that would actually fit that description, the vast majority being accused of that do not.

While they may feel that there are some serious issues that need to be addressed, many do not feel that it is anywhere near the level being portrayed by a very vocal minoirty, who try to pass themselves off as a majority, thinking they can force the issue on their terms.

They are simply trying to manipulate the truth to get what they want.

yourdoingitwrong
Posted - 2010.10.11 21:02:00 - [112]
 

I am not trying to manipulate anything. I am not asking for nerfs or specific features. I would be happy to see this game get back on track, maintaining a level of excellence like they used to. If players have to "manipulate" the developers into fixing but it just re-iterates my point. Something is rather amiss here lol

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.10.11 22:02:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: yourdoingitwrong
pretty funny to see the game literally degrading before everyone's eyes and the fanbois in epic denial mode. Every time I see it it's painful to watch, doesn't get easier with time.


lol
i love it how you +1 with another of your chars.

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2010.10.11 22:15:00 - [114]
 

Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 11/10/2010 22:16:40
Originally by: Snowmann
Why does it nearly always have to come down to hatebois vs. fanbois?

Eventhough you may really hate where the game is now, it has been worse in the past, and will most certainly be better in the future and maybe even worse once again at some point. It's a "glass is half empty" vs. "glass is half full" thing.

Stop living in the moment surrounded by a fog of tunnel vission and realize that things will always have their ups and downs. It's called life, and we are all human. Humans make mistakes; we are not perfect. Stop expecting perfection. You will only always end up a disappointed hatebois.

/realisticbois



Then lets be realistic . Care to answer why CCP stopped bragging about how their subsciption number rises every expansion.
Answer : it stopped thanks to two failed expansions .

Seriosuly if EVE will go into mainstream games it will just die horrible death becuase of HUGE competition. Becuase for now it has NONE. No game like it.

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2010.10.11 22:17:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Brian Ballsack

lol
i love it how you +1 with another of your chars.


epic denial mode Rolling Eyes

Brutorr
Posted - 2010.10.11 23:14:00 - [116]
 

Although there are many MMO's out there, none parallel EVE to any extent. I think that because of this situation, there is no incentive to create a better product. If there were competing companies, the quality of the games would sky rocket.

That's not to say EVE isn't a great game, but I don't think it is as polished as it should be.

Fuzzy Something
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
Posted - 2010.10.11 23:14:00 - [117]
 

I just came back after being away a year-and-a-half, and I'm actually amazed at just how little EvE has changed since 2008. Even the forum whines are about the same (see: "Why can't I set the autopilot on warp to zero?" and "I got ganked in highsec, isn't CONCORD supposed to protect me?")

If anything, I like the place better now than I did, because the forums are not full of Goon spam. That got old in a hurry.

Plumpy McPudding
Profit Development and Research Association
Posted - 2010.10.11 23:55:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: HarrietMiers
Either way, yes - 2003 player here. This game has gone to ****.


Yet you're still here?

Grog Barrel
Posted - 2010.10.12 00:13:00 - [119]
 

i am all for incarna if i have acces to boobs and pixel buttsecs while having a steave segal like alt destroying a nasty pirate bar with your face bro!

Marko Riva
Posted - 2010.10.12 00:34:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Eve was originally designed as a niche game, and it was so good precisely for that reason.

Eve was a game designed by and for people who appreciate that planning and intelligence should be the path to success. The devs understood back then that you can't have a true victory without the possibility of defeat.

However, since the publishing deal which saw the re-release of a boxed set a while back, the emphasis has increasingly been on making Eve appeal to a more mainstream audience.

Now, there's nothing wrong with being in the mainstream, but the world would be a worse place if everything was there.

For example, I'm sure that the musical stylings of Cheryl Cole bring pleasure to millions of people, but her songs aren't to everyone's taste, so it's good that there are still a few people with actual talent out there releasing music.

And so it is with Eve. The gaming world will be a worse place if CCP continue to go down the path of doing things just because other games are doing them. Rather, they should continue to innovate and break new ground.

Bringing in microtransactions isn't either of those.




This, but it went wrong before they brought out the boxed version. When Oveur announced their new company goal was to have 300k subscribers THAT is where it went wrong. Because the only way to attract that kind of numbers is to move away from the niche game idea.


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