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Quartex
Gallente
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.10 14:50:00 - [31]
 

Eve is a sandbox. If you believe in what you say, have a go at making it happen.

Look at Eve University .. those dudes offer you the best example of an existing entity whose goals are different enough to most territory holding Alliances to mimmick. The only issue is that they base themselves in Empire.

I think you would fail because there is a fundamental playstyle driver your system would need to overcome, to replace the existing status quo in Eve. This is that we share a single shard and PvP is not consensual. Did you know that way back at the beginning of Eve there was a Corp called Mo0 who set up a gate camp and killed everyone who came through? And that CCP turned up (in ships) to fight them and lost?

Economic gain lies at the heart of most leaderships in Eve, whether PvP or not. Once there is more money than can be spent, status, ego and pride takes over. Finally, when an Alliance has been established for a long time in game history begins to drive behaviour and relationships between power players. So, even Alliance leaders are not just there for financial gain, thinking this alone will motivate them to make peace is wrong headed.

For everyone else in an Alliance they are either there because it gives them access to high end resources, status by association, or never ending PvP.

Add these ingredients into the sand box, stir well and remember this is a multiplayer game where you can make firm friends for life and you'll have trouble turning it into the U.N.

But like I have said before ... it's a sand box, go on, prove me wrong..... that's why we all play it, despite its faults.


Ventro69
Caldari
Manson Family
Corcoran State
Posted - 2010.10.10 15:49:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Impressin Charges
New Eden Political analyst, impressin charges.

I Am currently looking for work as diplomat and any other form of public relations for corporations of New Eden. If my services are needed they will be provided to the best of my ability.

Resume: University of Kentucky: masters of political science and minor in economics

Excuse me for grammar issues no time to edit


I bet you have a T-shirt that reads: "University of Kentucky masters degree giveaway, I was there, were you?"

Pirokobo
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.10.10 17:10:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Pirokobo on 10/10/2010 17:18:24
Originally by: Quartex
For everyone else in an Alliance they are either there because it gives them access to high end resources, status by association, or never ending PvP.

You forgot premium grade forum drama.

We are fueling their war machine, one which works completely opposite of the way things in Eve have been done in the past. Goonfleet lives for controversy, misery, flaming e-honor and making good manners into one of their own personal jokes.
-Cflux of Finfleet shortly after Lotka Voltera was demolished

Aside from the myriad of IRL problems that have hit me all in one go, Goonswarm have decided to take offence to the cemetery again.
-Azia Burqi

Recollector
Gallente
Royal Enterprise
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2010.10.10 18:39:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Recollector on 10/10/2010 18:41:56
Edited by: Recollector on 10/10/2010 18:41:24
OP, you cannot compare new eden with earths countrys, provinces, etc.The more appropriate is to compared with any major city in the 70's, when gangs shared the streets (low sec and 0.0) and the police (concord) serve and protect the safest regions on the above cityes (the empire regions).
Hence, you cannot apply the UN thingy (which phails IRL btw) to the new eden.
At most, you can try something like what new-yorkes did to drasticaly reduce crime:moar cops, moar police cars, better technology, etc.

And tbh, like many others said...why in the name of god you want peace in a game that practicaly lives thru war and conflicts:D?

POS Trader
Minmatar
Merchants of Lore
Posted - 2010.10.11 00:15:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Impressin Charges

Resume: University of Kentucky: masters of political science and minor in economics

New Eden, what i now equate to Somalia in the world we live in today, Chaos abundant and Alliances, like local warlords, battling for power. Peace is what we all strive for...


1. EVE is a game
2. Games must be fun
3. For games to be fun, there needs to be content

PvP provides that content. Without it, there would not be anyone playing this game.

ISK is just another distraction from monotony. We can't have 24/7 PvP, like in good old Quakelive.com, or the game would be boring in long term.

If you want to test your masters in political science and economics, then do that. Don't moan on forums. Go out there and build your own empire. There are 10s of thousands carebears in empire. Recruit some. Make your empire more than just about ISK.

Phreeze
Amarr
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.10.11 05:06:00 - [36]
 

troll post of the week

Muul Udonii
Minmatar
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.10.11 09:20:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Impressin Charges
I think the most major problem is that many of us do not understand that with war comes great profit but loss which is not so much felt within a virtual world, but loss is still present. Today's world needs peace, because we are all interconnected, globalism has taken hold. For Economies to prosper peace and trade is needed.


99% of industry in Eve is producing ships, modules and ammo for shooting the living **** out of each other.

Peace would prevent minerals being taken out of play, and eventually the entire universe would fill up with tritanium. Boring.


Joe Censored
Caldari
UNKN0WN ENTITY
Frater Adhuc Excessum
Posted - 2010.10.12 21:07:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Impressin Charges

Today's world needs peace, because we are all interconnected, globalism has taken hold. For Economies to prosper peace and trade is needed. Now imagine we apply the peace keeping system we enjoy into New Eden. The UN could be transformed to represent each alliance in 0.0 and a separate entity in low sec. This "UN" would allow alliances to coordinate and provide each other with benefits but also defend each other to continue the symbiotic relationship.


OMG take your bleeding heart back to high sec and don't come back, ever

Imigo Montoya
Gallente
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.10.12 21:42:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Muul Udonii
99% of industry in Eve is producing ships, modules and ammo for shooting the living **** out of each other.

Peace would prevent minerals being taken out of play, and eventually the entire universe would fill up with tritanium. Boring.


I would go one further and say that the entire EVE economy is based on the construction and destruction of ships. Everything we do ultimately boils down to one of those two activities. You name an in game object and I'll trace it back to one of those key activities.

And for those who are saying that EVE != RL, while that is strictly true I would have to say that for a game it does a remarkable job of emulating RL. As I see it, the reason is that EVE allows players to do what they want (the sandbox) with either some, little or no (empire, lowsec, and 0.0 respectively) rules about how players can interact with each other. The further you go out into free space (0.0), the more you get unfiltered natural human interactions. Just like RL, you can try and regulate human behaviour, but people will still be people.

That's what I love about EVE.

Romulus XII
Gallente
GONE RETARD BACK LATER
Posted - 2010.10.12 22:43:00 - [40]
 

For a second there i thought i was still in uni and eve is an online course.
You totaly missed the point of this game, might as well burn 15$ every month yourself, at least u might enjoy it more, put it on youtube or something.


Get out

Karunel
Gallente
Princeps Corp
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.10.12 22:58:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: PipingHotCookies
This is the worst thread anyone has ever made.


Not emptyquoting this.

Tilmar Hantor
Minmatar
Total Mayhem.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.10.13 02:13:00 - [42]
 

"Now i know I dont need to question what i did wrong, but what I can do now in the future. "

This drives me nuts... capitalize the I or don't you have a degree or two right? right?!

J'aghatai
Minmatar
DRUCKWELLE Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.10.14 12:53:00 - [43]
 

We all seek salvation in the great halls of dead Podclones already. Just be a believer and kill honorable space nerds by the thousands to get there.


Btw good luck, most of us will be eager to cause havoc to United Nations of EvE Carebears.

Jessica Verne
Amarr
Minute to Midnight
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2010.10.14 20:33:00 - [44]
 

I think -A- are hiring a new diplomat-- and if they aren't, they should be.


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