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Ivanna Nuke
Gallente
Holders Of The Cowbell
Posted - 2010.10.08 16:53:00 - [61]
 

I would love to have some updated textures and models for all ships, some of them are on par with the quality from Flight Simulator 95!!!


Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.10.08 17:18:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Elojs
Thank you for advising me that unless I shell out an exhorbitant amount of money, I will be unable to continue playing Eve after next year, until I actually obtain a position that pays me a respectable salary.



FYI either an ATI 38xx series or a NV 8800 series can run SM3.0 perfectly.

...and we're talking about cards that were hot.... 3 years ago? think you can get a 3850 or a 8800GT for peanuts nowadays.

Gale Rathers
Posted - 2010.10.08 17:33:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Elojs
Thank you for advising me that unless I shell out an exhorbitant amount of money, I will be unable to continue playing Eve after next year, until I actually obtain a position that pays me a respectable salary.



FYI either an ATI 38xx series or a NV 8800 series can run SM3.0 perfectly.

...and we're talking about cards that were hot.... 3 years ago? think you can get a 3850 or a 8800GT for peanuts nowadays.


I actually use an ATI Sapphire HD 3650 and that runs EvE perfectly, got it about 2 years ago IIRC for about 40, and even someone with a crap job should be able to budget from now till the change date next year and buy the card...

Grez
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
Posted - 2010.10.08 17:36:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Elojs
stuff


Gaming is not the right hobby for you. Well, modern gaming anyway. Upgrading your hardware once in a while is part of gaming - there's no way of looking around it. If you cannot afford that, then gaming is not the hobby for you.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.10.08 17:46:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: ChrisIsherwood
1) can you tell us what the cutoff is for Macs since your app does not seem to run on them?
It's already been answered officially, but just to put it into perspective:

My 1st-gen MacBook Air is still supported, and let's be honest it's not exactly a graphics-processing powerhouse Razz

Lev Aeris
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.10.08 17:48:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: BaliAgha
Edited by: BaliAgha on 08/10/2010 13:42:27
Ummm, the file you have us download to check our shader version is 0kb in size and the zip file has no files in it Wink

Might need to address..

Edit: After the third time downloading it looks like it actually downloaded something. Odd..
Microsoft.VC80.CRT.manifest msvcr80.dll SM3Checker.exe should be in it. Total crap on a mac of course.


Shouldn't there be an app for that? ;p

I'm sure you could find something for 2.99 in the apple store.

enterprisePSI
Unimatrix 0.1
Posted - 2010.10.08 17:54:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: "CCP Zulu"
Ati Radeon


Ati is no more.

Elhym
Posted - 2010.10.08 17:57:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Elojs
*Idjits*


Jumping on this "Games are not the right hobby for you" bandwagon. Maybe you should try Runescape? Or perhaps Ragnarok Online. Or, I don't know, put aside a few dollars per month until the upgrade to simply buy a new video card that is dirt cheap.

SkintRay
Posted - 2010.10.08 18:00:00 - [69]
 

I'm affected by this - this means I cannot run EvE on my laptop anymore. No more playing eve in the sofa / at lunchbreak etc :(

Vak'ran
TUIG Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.08 18:19:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Elojs
Thank you for advising me that unless I shell out an exhorbitant amount of money, I will be unable to continue playing Eve after next year, until I actually obtain a position that pays me a respectable salary. Over the past year, Eve has been about the only luxury I have managed to afford on a continuing basis. I am not going to speak to the resentments felt by many in the player community about what appears to them to be CCP's lack of responsiveness upon any issue that doesn't qualify as low-hanging fruit, or unusually profitable for CCP. I understand the difficulty in maintaining legacy drivers, and I do agree with it.

However, I would point out that if you wish to force your entire player base to use Eve's minimum requirements as the benchmark for their personal computer systems, you will lose a substantial portion of your player base. Currently, I run Eve on a 5 year old laptop that does not support Shader 3.0. I do not have the resources to upgrade at the present time, nor is it likely that such an upgrade will be possible until I replace my 20 year old automobile, among other expenses that must take higher priority. Therefore, I shall have to quit Eve until such time as I can again afford to play, when the expansion makes it no longer possible to play, on that day, I will bid Eve goodbye.

Congratulations to CCP on mastering at least the worst points of Western Capitalism. Coercion of your customer base is right up there with the monopolistic practices of another large software firm based outside of Silicon Valley.

Try to develop a path that doesn't effectively exclude your customer base, or compel them to replace hardware that is otherwise satisfactory in order to run a single application that is used only a few hours per week.


*Idjits*

Games are not the be all and end all of existence!



If you have a 5 year old laptop and do not have the funds to replace it at this time, you should also be aware of the inherent risk in buying a laptop. Portable computing comes at an added price, you could have bought 2 PC's of similar specs back then. A non-portable computer could also have been upgraded with a 25-euro/dollar investment in a new card. While this does not compare to current laptop prices, the argument that having a portable computer on your budget is silly stands. If you are bound by a portable computer for RL reasons, you are stuck between a rock and a hard place Im afraid, because you will be running into the added cost of such a computer in more than just gaming - what if it breaks?

With your unfortunate computer investment, you are a VERY small minority in the EVE player base. CCP is a business and they please a lot more of their customers by tweaking their time investments for quality rather than extremely broad support.

You are ofcourse entitled to voicing your disappointment, but saying that the developers are making a bad business decision or maintaining an evil business mentality for it is in bad style, imho.

Tsabrock
Gallente
Circle of Friends
Posted - 2010.10.08 19:05:00 - [71]
 

I knew this change would come eventually. In some ways, I'm surprised it's taken this long. My main systems all can handle SM3 perfectly fine. My old laptop was still SM2.0, but I've barely run EVE on it since the SM2 change as it can barely run EVE at medium settings. But then again, that laptop was never intended to be a gaming laptop, and I got it for a good price at the time.

While I sympathize with people that won't be able to play EVE without an upgrade, they will be in a very small minority. Those with older hardware might have to upgrade anyway before next year due to equipment failure. Those with with netbooks have to realize that they were never designed to be gaming devices. they were designed to be internet devices to fill the gap between a bulky laptop and a cellphone (hence their name). The few netbooks I've seen even have problems running Flash applications well, let alone anything graphically demanding.

R Mika
Posted - 2010.10.08 19:19:00 - [72]
 

Its about time.

The ability to update skills through Eve Gate would be a nice compromise, though.

CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2010.10.08 19:25:00 - [73]
 


What I find ironic is that you can support a handfull of alienware players, but you can't support shadermodel 2.0


Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2010.10.08 19:28:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: RiotRick
Edited by: RiotRick on 08/10/2010 09:54:26
Shader Model 3.0 as minimum seems like a sensible requirement. Even my work laptop has a shader model 3.0 card (ati x1350).

But.... I qoute:

"Not only is this needed for EVE to look amazing"

Will we get anti-aliasing support then?




Since EVE uses HDR, it can't *naturally* use anti-aliasing at the same time. This is due to a fault in DirectX 9. There are various hacks out there which can attempt to force HDR+Antialiasing at the driver level, but it isn't officially supported and frequently stops working whenever you upgrade your video driver. In fact, nHancer - the most commonly used tool for forcing HDR+Antialiasing - no longer works with the current nvidia drivers (and in fact hasn't worked for months).

If CCP wanted EVE Online to have HDR+FSAA, they would essentially have to drop DirectX 9, and give us that DirectX 10 client they have been promising us for years. Except now it would be better for them to skip straight to DirectX 11, since Vista is terribad.

skye orionis
Posted - 2010.10.08 19:32:00 - [75]
 

With everyone on SM3.0 I'll bet you could do some cool looking new effects

Like... say Engine trails, or giant thunderbolt spewing cynojumps for example.

Rico Ramos
Gallente
See Red
Posted - 2010.10.08 19:37:00 - [76]
 

Sweet I'm all good to go.

riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.10.08 19:42:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Vak'ran
Originally by: Elojs
Thank you for advising me that unless I shell out an exhorbitant amount of money, I will be unable to continue playing Eve after next year, until I actually obtain a position that pays me a respectable salary. Over the past year, Eve has been about the only luxury I have managed to afford on a continuing basis. I am not going to speak to the resentments felt by many in the player community about what appears to them to be CCP's lack of responsiveness upon any issue that doesn't qualify as low-hanging fruit, or unusually profitable for CCP. I understand the difficulty in maintaining legacy drivers, and I do agree with it.

However, I would point out that if you wish to force your entire player base to use Eve's minimum requirements as the benchmark for their personal computer systems, you will lose a substantial portion of your player base. Currently, I run Eve on a 5 year old laptop that does not support Shader 3.0. I do not have the resources to upgrade at the present time, nor is it likely that such an upgrade will be possible until I replace my 20 year old automobile, among other expenses that must take higher priority. Therefore, I shall have to quit Eve until such time as I can again afford to play, when the expansion makes it no longer possible to play, on that day, I will bid Eve goodbye.

Congratulations to CCP on mastering at least the worst points of Western Capitalism. Coercion of your customer base is right up there with the monopolistic practices of another large software firm based outside of Silicon Valley.

Try to develop a path that doesn't effectively exclude your customer base, or compel them to replace hardware that is otherwise satisfactory in order to run a single application that is used only a few hours per week.


*Idjits*

Games are not the be all and end all of existence!



If you have a 5 year old laptop and do not have the funds to replace it at this time, you should also be aware of the inherent risk in buying a laptop. Portable computing comes at an added price, you could have bought 2 PC's of similar specs back then. A non-portable computer could also have been upgraded with a 25-euro/dollar investment in a new card. While this does not compare to current laptop prices, the argument that having a portable computer on your budget is silly stands. If you are bound by a portable computer for RL reasons, you are stuck between a rock and a hard place Im afraid, because you will be running into the added cost of such a computer in more than just gaming - what if it breaks?

With your unfortunate computer investment, you are a VERY small minority in the EVE player base. CCP is a business and they please a lot more of their customers by tweaking their time investments for quality rather than extremely broad support.

You are ofcourse entitled to voicing your disappointment, but saying that the developers are making a bad business decision or maintaining an evil business mentality for it is in bad style, imho.


QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

Also CCP, what's the chance of having AA without the need of using NHancer?

Kaltooth
Amarr
Posted - 2010.10.08 19:53:00 - [78]
 

So, do we get any hints or info on whats coming in Incursion 1.1 that can only really work with sm3 versus sm2? :) Or is this more a general switch to sm3 for a few more fps client render side?

Mieryn Caval
Posted - 2010.10.08 20:30:00 - [79]
 

No more logging in from the nc20, to chat and do non-flying around stuff, when away from home. Ok. Sucks.

Joseph SaintJohn
Posted - 2010.10.08 20:31:00 - [80]
 

My main gaming PC meets the new reqiurement. My old laptop i use on the road, I am self employed, cannot. But , in all honesty , its a "****ty" laptop that needed to be replaced.

A specific reply to the "risk of buying a laptop." Some of us are on the road a lot and prefer to be in game , not watching TV. But since laptops that meet the new minimum requirements are pretty cheap..... should not be a big problem for "road warriors".

Joe

"A choice , once made , creates its own path" - can't remeber who said it.

Knug LiDi
N00bFleeT
Posted - 2010.10.08 20:39:00 - [81]
 

Home desktop : check

Laptop : check

Work desktop : check -- umm, well graphically. Work prevents connection to EVE servers

For some unknown reason.


gigitrix
Posted - 2010.10.08 20:53:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: ArchenTheGreat
Edited by: ArchenTheGreat on 08/10/2010 11:59:09
Originally by: Kaahles
Netbook skill changes are practical but hey I think that's why such a function is planned for EVE Gate soon



I seriously doubt that it will be ever possible to change skills through web. It's too simple to write a bot to change skills automatically. This is scenario CCP tries to avoid.


This would be possible and demonstratably secure with ReCAPTCHA. Yeah, accepting a CAPTCHA on every input means we aren't going to be seeing markets "gate-ified" in this way (it would be very unusable) But CAPTCHAs are, right now, the only tool we have for bot prevention on the net. ReCAPTCHA is used by millions, including facebook, so if people could crack it with OCR or whatever we would know about it.

Archestratidas
Posted - 2010.10.08 21:10:00 - [83]
 

Well the problem with user hardware statistics is this. 99% of the time I log into eve with my desktop, which supports SM3. 1% of the time, when I'm away, I log on with my laptop, which does not support SM3. But that 1% is really damned convenient and I daresay 'important' to me.

It's not as simple as looking at a 'oh, 95% of our clients are logged in with sm3 compatible machines'.

Sazumaan Johnza
Minmatar
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.08 21:12:00 - [84]
 

Skip 3.0 and move straight to 4.0 Wink


cpu939
Gallente
Volatile Nature
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.10.08 22:02:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: cpu939 on 08/10/2010 22:05:18
my poor 2 years old laptop, i'll have to upgrade when we get sm 5


when did eve up the sm spec last time

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.10.08 22:09:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Illwill Bill
Originally by: Dan Grobag
I want an ASCII EVE.

CCP Urist cancels action change skills on netbooks: Need more eye candy.

Tough luck about netbooks, but otherwise, I doubt anyone will care about this change.


Netbooks? all thats needed for me to play EVE on my padPC is more memory on my graphics card

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.10.08 23:00:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Elojs
Stuff



If you can't afford this but you can afford to shell out $15 a month for EVE (or the time to play it enough to afford the gtc's)...

As people have said before, gaming may not be the best hobby for you.

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2010.10.08 23:10:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Tonto Auri on 08/10/2010 23:13:17
Originally by: CCP Zulu
Of course we wanted to get this message out there with plenty of lead time so people could prepare, bringing that 1% down to 0% since you all know about it now :)


That won't happen, and you know it beter than me.
That 1% is the playes with crappy integrated Intel chipsets. Integrated in their notebooks.

P.S.
BTW, will this move also cure the sudden drop in framerate when opening settings/Character Sheet, Planet surface view?

ForumWarrior
Posted - 2010.10.08 23:12:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: ForumWarrior on 08/10/2010 23:16:55
Welllll.....****.

Sucks to be a broke-ass newlywed college kid in Q2, I guess.

Edit to add: Not upset with CCP, perfectly reasonable change, will get a new card in time. Just...limited budget is limited. I already don't pay to play :p

I'm not very tech-oriented anymore, honestly. Can anyone recommend a few super-cheapy cards to clear the cutoff?

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2010.10.08 23:22:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: ForumWarrior
Edited by: ForumWarrior on 08/10/2010 23:16:55
Welllll.....****.

Sucks to be a broke-ass newlywed college kid in Q2, I guess.

Edit to add: Not upset with CCP, perfectly reasonable change, will get a new card in time. Just...limited budget is limited. I already don't pay to play :p

I'm not very tech-oriented anymore, honestly. Can anyone recommend a few super-cheapy cards to clear the cutoff?


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CCP Shader Model 3 checker
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Your graphics card:
NVIDIA GeForce GT 220
Supports Shader Model 3.0
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ОК
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Very low-budget, and run high shaders good, if played in single window on single monitor.


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