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CCP Fallout

Posted - 2010.10.08 09:00:00 - [1]
 

CCP Zulu's new dev blog details our future ShaderModel support. Read all about it here.

Mallikanth
Posted - 2010.10.08 09:05:00 - [2]
 

Sounds expected and normal to me.

meanwhile, I'll wait for the naysayers and doom merchants. Rolling Eyes


Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2010.10.08 09:12:00 - [3]
 

Looking forward to the stuffs.

/c

Golden Gnu
Gallente
The Golden Gnu Corp
Posted - 2010.10.08 09:23:00 - [4]
 

How many people will be affected by this...?

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.10.08 09:44:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Golden Gnu
How many people will be affected by this...?


Probably not very many. Moving up to a minimum of Shader Model 2 more or less forced everyone on older GPUs to buy Shader Model 3 cards already.

CCP Zulu

Posted - 2010.10.08 09:51:00 - [6]
 

Our best metric is the Steam hardware report and general trending in hardware sales etc. Applying some common sense and logic and a few assumptions we deduce that around 3% of the EVE player base don't support SM3 today but at the current trend that will be down well below 1% early next year.

Of course we wanted to get this message out there with plenty of lead time so people could prepare, bringing that 1% down to 0% since you all know about it now :)

RiotRick
Kamehameha I's Revenge
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.10.08 09:53:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: RiotRick on 08/10/2010 09:54:26
Shader Model 3.0 as minimum seems like a sensible requirement. Even my work laptop has a shader model 3.0 card (ati x1350).

But.... I qoute:

"Not only is this needed for EVE to look amazing"

Will we get anti-aliasing support then?


Dp Wiz
Posted - 2010.10.08 09:54:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Dp Wiz on 08/10/2010 09:56:55
Any roadmap to DX10/11? Cool

Also, you could put that "shader test" right inside client and nag players about upgrading their old crap if it fails.

FatFreddy
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.10.08 10:04:00 - [9]
 

Quote:
keep setting the bar higher for excellence.


First one to point and laugh.

Falkrich Swifthand
Caldari
eNinjas Incorporated
Posted - 2010.10.08 10:05:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Falkrich Swifthand on 08/10/2010 10:06:28
I don't know about EVE players, but Valve's hardware survey shows that 85.5% of people have at least SM 4.0 (Direct-X 10 cards) and 6.0% of people have SM 2.0 or below. Unfortunately the category for the remaining 8.5% includes both SM 3.0 and SM 2.0b. Two cards in the detailed list (X700 and X800) are definitely SM 2.0b, for 3.1% of that, and some fraction of the "other" 3.6% will be too.

So the real figure for people with less than SM 3.0 is between 9.1% and 12.7%. At least for the valve survey.

Talkietoaster
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.08 10:05:00 - [11]
 

Main workstation -> check ok
Laptop -> check ok

I'm safe, bring it on Cool

MissyDark
Posted - 2010.10.08 10:08:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Of course we wanted to get this message out there with plenty of lead time so people could prepare, bringing that 1% down to 0% since you all know about it now :)


Well it's a computer game so the support for cellphone-grade hardware is not required. I'm surprised you didn't drop the support for ancient gfx cards yearlier :)

Less branched code is a better code, thumbs up.

CCP Zulu

Posted - 2010.10.08 10:09:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Falkrich Swifthand
Edited by: Falkrich Swifthand on 08/10/2010 10:06:28
I don't know about EVE players, but Valve's hardware survey shows that 85.5% of people have at least SM 4.0 (Direct-X 10 cards) and 6.0% of people have SM 2.0 or below. Unfortunately the category for the remaining 8.5% includes both SM 3.0 and SM 2.0b. Two cards in the detailed list (X700 and X800) are definitely SM 2.0b, for 3.1% of that, and some fraction of the "other" 3.6% will be too.

So the real figure for people with less than SM 3.0 is between 9.1% and 12.7%. At least for the valve survey.


That's true, but the Steam survey isn't our only data point. We also believe EVE players to be more technologically advanced than the average gamer. Which I don't think is an unreasonable assumption :)

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2010.10.08 10:17:00 - [14]
 

Let the crying commence...

Falkrich Swifthand
Caldari
eNinjas Incorporated
Posted - 2010.10.08 10:19:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu

That's true, but the Steam survey isn't our only data point. We also believe EVE players to be more technologically advanced than the average gamer. Which I don't think is an unreasonable assumption :)

I would agree with that. I started posting before your reply, but digging in the hardware survey took a while :)

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.10.08 10:53:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Our best metric is the Steam hardware report and general trending in hardware sales etc. Applying some common sense and logic and a few assumptions we deduce that around 3% of the EVE player base don't support SM3 today but at the current trend that will be down well below 1% early next year.

Of course we wanted to get this message out there with plenty of lead time so people could prepare, bringing that 1% down to 0% since you all know about it now :)


Fair enough. Even years-old low end video cards support SM3, and there's a limit to the age of legacy hardware you can reasonably be expected to support in a graphically focused game.

ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
Pulsar Nebulah
Army of Lovers.
Posted - 2010.10.08 10:55:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Our best metric is the Steam hardware report and general trending in hardware sales etc.


Can't you just add a bit of code to EVE client to collect such data? I am sure it's not huge privacy violation (you can also make it non-mandatory).

Jaari Val'Dara
Caldari
Deep Space Nomads Corp
Posted - 2010.10.08 11:07:00 - [18]
 

If my couple years old laptop supports it then clearly this isn't such a big deal.

Kaahles
Deliverers of Pain
Posted - 2010.10.08 11:08:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Kaahles on 08/10/2010 11:09:49
Wondered when you guys would drop the support for those old relics. I mean seriously those SM 2.0 cards are ancient history that also involves cave-painting (at least if you look at the time scale of hardware development, take into account how long you can expect to run a machine with a certain hardware and still play games).

Looking forward to the whines tbh cause especially this is a topic that usually produces a lot of laughter for me.

Okay I confess I play with the low-shader settings myself at the moment but that's because my machine is total crap and won't run 2 clients with SM 3.0 active. Actually I'm even surprised that two clients on this piece of **** is even possible. Time to go hardware shopping... if those darn sandy bridge cpu's would hit the market already YARRRR!!

Dan Grobag
Caldari
Grobag's Family
Posted - 2010.10.08 11:09:00 - [20]
 

I want an ASCII EVE.

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2010.10.08 11:20:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Dan Grobag
I want an ASCII EVE.

CCP Urist cancels action change skills on netbooks: Need more eye candy.

Tough luck about netbooks, but otherwise, I doubt anyone will care about this change.

Kaahles
Deliverers of Pain
Posted - 2010.10.08 11:27:00 - [22]
 

Netbook skill changes are practical but hey I think that's why such a function is planned for EVE Gate soon™
But yeah would be kinda nice if that function goes live around the same timeframe the new system requirements hit. Btw my personal guess: they'll hit with the release of Incarna. You read it here first Cool

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2010.10.08 11:30:00 - [23]
 

Absolutely! Increased Eve gate functionality is a great way to make Eve "playable" on netbooks.

Gil Danastre
Amarr
JAF-CO Exploration
Posted - 2010.10.08 11:35:00 - [24]
 

Seconding the SM4.0 question. How long till EVE is looking like the end of the Empyrean Age trailer? Very Happy

ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
Pulsar Nebulah
Army of Lovers.
Posted - 2010.10.08 11:58:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: ArchenTheGreat on 08/10/2010 11:59:09
Originally by: Kaahles
Netbook skill changes are practical but hey I think that's why such a function is planned for EVE Gate soon™



I seriously doubt that it will be ever possible to change skills through web. It's too simple to write a bot to change skills automatically. This is scenario CCP tries to avoid.

wizard87
Posted - 2010.10.08 12:03:00 - [26]
 

Thanks for the little app. I would have been p*ssed if it had said my card didn't support 3.0 but it apparently does...

So yeah, whatever, out with the old and in with the new!

Alyssa Kaeda
Posted - 2010.10.08 12:04:00 - [27]
 

So you decided to "conviniently" forget those that use netbooks (mine is under a year old now) for the on the road skill changing / corp chatting.

This is a decision that on the surface looks good but again shoots your long time customers in the leg.

FatFreddy
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.10.08 12:12:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Alyssa Kaeda
So you decided to "conviniently" forget those that use netbooks (mine is under a year old now) for the on the road skill changing / corp chatting.

This is a decision that on the surface looks good but again shoots your long time customers in the leg.



There are limits even to raging at CCP.

Complaining that a netbook doesn't run current games is like complaining that you're not allowed to ride a bicycle on the highway.

If you need your on the road chatting so dearly, you should think about buying a cheap, small notebook. Netbooks are already antiquated anyway.

Nareg Maxence
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.08 12:28:00 - [29]
 

My game box is fine. My laptop is screwed. I should have a new one by Q2 though anyway.

achoura
Posted - 2010.10.08 12:29:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Alyssa Kaeda
So you decided to "conviniently" forget those that use netbooks (mine is under a year old now) for the on the road skill changing / corp chatting.

This is a decision that on the surface looks good but again shoots your long time customers in the leg.



Tbh, if said long term customer chose to buy a devices not built for gaming, to run games on, not much can be done to help said customer once education has already failed. That said, I thought part of the future eve-gate project was the changing of skills via the browser. Although I could be wrong, seeing as the customer is paying for the game, and seeing as web browsers run on everything down to mobile phones, that would solve everyone problem.

Still this wont change the wave of people who will complain of ccp making the base requirement the same as the rest of the industry has had for years. Also, that's a long period of notice, and brand new sm4.0 cards can be had today for £30 ffs Rolling Eyes


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