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NoSoup
Posted - 2010.11.18 05:59:00 - [1141]
 

NO

Gerog
Gallente
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Posted - 2010.11.18 13:06:00 - [1142]
 

No. It'll change Eve's model of what you put into the game, you get out.

Alikseer Manasarovar
Posted - 2010.11.20 11:41:00 - [1143]
 

NAY Neutral

Stig Sterling
Posted - 2010.11.21 18:09:00 - [1144]
 

Edited by: Stig Sterling on 21/11/2010 18:08:52
No

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2010.11.22 13:19:00 - [1145]
 

Cosmetic Only

Not T'amber
Posted - 2010.11.22 21:00:00 - [1146]
 

Edited by: Not T''amber on 22/11/2010 21:15:37

WIN!!!!

THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO VOTED AND POSTED THEIR COMMENTS
IN TEH OTHER THREAD. PLEX FOR NEURAL REMAPS HAS BEEN SHELVED!!
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=815




Gravemind GER
Caldari
Fnord Works
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.11.23 09:07:00 - [1147]
 

Originally by: Not T'amber
Edited by: Not T''amber on 22/11/2010 21:15:37

WIN!!!!

THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO VOTED AND POSTED THEIR COMMENTS
IN TEH OTHER THREAD. PLEX FOR NEURAL REMAPS HAS BEEN SHELVED!!
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=815






still... u ghost?

VIP Ares
Minmatar
BALKAN EXPRESS
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2010.11.23 12:58:00 - [1148]
 

NO

Absolutely not. Micro transactions are for trash games which cannot hold its own subscribers, so they are forced to be "free" and finance from micro transactions.

However, micro-transactions severely move economic power differences from real life to game world. And that is not something that will allow fair play and equal terms for everyone.

Dmoney3788
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.11.23 17:26:00 - [1149]
 

Can someone please explain to me in a substantial post as to why plex for remap is so terrible?

-PLEX for remap doesn't make you better than other players. As long as implants and learning skills are the same your max SP/hr is no faster than any other players. I think too many people likens PLEX for remap with PLEX for SP. I do agree that plex for SP would be really, really bad. However, its PLEX for remap and not SP.

-PLEX for remap allows players who don't want to commit a full year to a specific training path. Lets admit it, to someone who is only a couple months old at eve, a full year feels like an eternity and that massive amount of time can be intimidating and may contribute to a lot of newer players quitting eve.

Also, lets leave the slippery slope fallacies out of this (plex for remap? Whats next? <--- slippery slope fallacy) and whining about CCP's profit margins. They're a buisness. Their goal is to make money. Deal with it.

Levaria
Gallente
Incertae Sedis
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.11.24 07:23:00 - [1150]
 

No.


Gallion
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.24 08:13:00 - [1151]
 

"Cosmetic only" Tied with No.

HyperZerg
Posted - 2010.11.24 09:29:00 - [1152]
 

No.

Onnen Mentar
Murientor Tribe

Posted - 2010.11.24 12:17:00 - [1153]
 

No

Dmoney3788
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.11.24 22:09:00 - [1154]
 

Originally by: Dmoney3788
Can someone please explain to me in a substantial post as to why plex for remap is so terrible?

-PLEX for remap doesn't make you better than other players. As long as implants and learning skills are the same your max SP/hr is no faster than any other players. I think too many people likens PLEX for remap with PLEX for SP. I do agree that plex for SP would be really, really bad. However, its PLEX for remap and not SP.

-PLEX for remap allows players who don't want to commit a full year to a specific training path. Lets admit it, to someone who is only a couple months old at eve, a full year feels like an eternity and that massive amount of time can be intimidating and may contribute to a lot of newer players quitting eve.

Also, lets leave the slippery slope fallacies out of this (plex for remap? Whats next? <--- slippery slope fallacy) and whining about CCP's profit margins. They're a buisness. Their goal is to make money. Deal with it.

Quote until someone responds...

4N631
Posted - 2010.11.26 01:01:00 - [1155]
 

NO

Dmoney3788
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.11.26 06:19:00 - [1156]
 

Originally by: Dmoney3788
Can someone please explain to me in a substantial post as to why plex for remap is so terrible?

-PLEX for remap doesn't make you better than other players. As long as implants and learning skills are the same your max SP/hr is no faster than any other players. I think too many people likens PLEX for remap with PLEX for SP. I do agree that plex for SP would be really, really bad. However, its PLEX for remap and not SP.

-PLEX for remap allows players who don't want to commit a full year to a specific training path. Lets admit it, to someone who is only a couple months old at eve, a full year feels like an eternity and that massive amount of time can be intimidating and may contribute to a lot of newer players quitting eve.

Also, lets leave the slippery slope fallacies out of this (plex for remap? Whats next? <--- slippery slope fallacy) and whining about CCP's profit margins. They're a buisness. Their goal is to make money. Deal with it.

Quote until someone responds...

Aidan Patrick
Aldebaran Foundation
Tauri Federation
Posted - 2010.11.26 12:27:00 - [1157]
 

No

Not even clothes/visual items are acceptable. Why? Because for some people the social aspect of the game IS gameplay.

Look at Star Trek Online from Cryptic.. they are DLC heavy like no tomorrow.. Do you *REALLY* want to turn eve into that stagnant crap? No.

MarineShadow
Posted - 2010.11.26 21:58:00 - [1158]
 

NO

I will never pay for micro transactions, it looks like a cheap way to earn money and I don't think ccp would be so stupid. (hope so)

Tather Demaleon
Posted - 2010.11.27 05:36:00 - [1159]
 

Originally by: Dmoney3788
Originally by: Dmoney3788
Can someone please explain to me in a substantial post as to why plex for remap is so terrible?

-PLEX for remap doesn't make you better than other players. As long as implants and learning skills are the same your max SP/hr is no faster than any other players. I think too many people likens PLEX for remap with PLEX for SP. I do agree that plex for SP would be really, really bad. However, its PLEX for remap and not SP.

-PLEX for remap allows players who don't want to commit a full year to a specific training path. Lets admit it, to someone who is only a couple months old at eve, a full year feels like an eternity and that massive amount of time can be intimidating and may contribute to a lot of newer players quitting eve.

Also, lets leave the slippery slope fallacies out of this (plex for remap? Whats next? <--- slippery slope fallacy) and whining about CCP's profit margins. They're a buisness. Their goal is to make money. Deal with it.

Quote until someone responds...


http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1387227

Dmoney3788
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.11.27 07:49:00 - [1160]
 

I'm assuming you're referring to this post of yours:
Originally by: Tather Demaleon
When you trade a plex you are trading "30 days game time" and swapping for isk.
This isk isn't generated from no-where, same as buying a character - someone has spent the time to train it.

Plex for remap is swapping "30 days game time" for a remap. There's 2 ways to get a plex: Buy one with $$$ buy one with isk.

Quote:

Swapping a plex for services can be ingame cost to out of game benefit, and out of game cost to out of game benefit, but it doesn't effect ingame.



"In game cost to out of game benefit" --buying plex with isk, saves you the trouble of having to spend real money to play the game. Check
"Out of game cost to out of game benefit" --Uh, what? I missed what you are referring to here. There's character transfer fee that costs $$$ and portrait swapping that costs $$$. Buying a plex with real money is Out of game cost for in game benefit, you can keep playing the game, or, you can get more in game money. Plex for remap is either out of game ($$$) or in game (isk) cost for in game benefit (remap).

Quote:

Being able to purchase ingame items soley from rl money opens up the out of game cost to ingame benefit which is where things get dodgey. If these microtransactions use plex then its pretty much the same thing that happens now as long as these items are destroyable and/or vanity only, if they use another currency to make sure that the plex market isn't unduly effected then this leads to the darkside.


Slippery slope I see. Even if they open the floodgates of microtransactions for vanity items, as long as you can buy plex with isk, there's still a way to get the vanity items without paying $$$ for them.


Ok, lets break this down by each case here:

Case 1: Player uses $$$ to buy a plex for a remap.

Plex never would have made it to the market as it was intended to be used for a remap. Player trains skills at a normal rate, but benefits from being able to have a skill path that is less than a year in length.

Case 2: Player uses isk to buy a plex for a remap.

The point that the price of plexes will go up because there's a steady supply and increasing demand (now for game time and remaps) seems logical, but whose to say that the amount of plexes injected into the eve market is constant? Its also possible that a sudden drop of the supply of plexes when plex for remap would go active would increase the isk value of plexes, but this greater isk value could also attract more people to purchase plex to convert into isk because of a higher exchange rate, at minimum partially offsetting the greater demand on plexes for remaps.

Player also trains skills at a normal rate, and also benefits from being able to remap more than once per year.


Seriously, what is the big problem with plex for remap? Is it really the plex for remap or is it that everyone falls down the slippery slope and is fearful of microtransactions?

IGuardian
Internet Guardians Corp
Internet Guardians
Posted - 2010.11.28 00:11:00 - [1161]
 

Please no microtransactions! Evil or Very Mad

I don't mind the current name change, and I think changing your facial look would be ok. (not clothes, I mean face shape)

Simply as if people can do that anytime they want, a ton of people would be continually changing their looks/names continually.

Eve is on the expensive side as it is, also there should be no game advantage from any items if the do go and do this anyway. (The only people that would want to vote for pvp items, are those that have tons of money, or suck at eve and hope you add some overpowered weapon they can just buy for real money)

PS: Please forgive the bad wording/structure im very tiredRazz

SargeantNekkid DDS
Posted - 2010.12.01 12:06:00 - [1162]
 

NO

Not only No, but NO F***ING WAY. PLEX is good because it targets isk RMT pirates. Don't take this to mean that all RL currency interactions with the EVE economy is a good thing.

my answer would be cosmetic only but right now the thinking is of using PLEX for vanity items. I would support cosmetic only if people directly paid cash for items and not with isk or PLEX.

Rhapsodae
Posted - 2010.12.02 12:43:00 - [1163]
 

Cosmetic only.

To me Personalisation is something i've been waiting on quiet some time. Whether it's clothing, earrings, or a customized bumpersticker.

But paying extra ? No! We make Isk enough to purchase those form ingame stores.

Alias 6322A
Posted - 2010.12.02 18:12:00 - [1164]
 

Cosmetic Only

Reason: More money for CCP that doesn't hurt players. I could care less if you have a tutu and I don't, I'll still pod that tutu-toting-creep. Microtransactions are bad when they effect game mechanics, but not graphics. Micros have a real potential in stations for people with too much cash (or too stupid parents?) to get something that makes them feel 'speeshul'.

There is one BIG PROBLEM though...
These cannot be buyable with isk. They MUST BE BOUGHT WITH REAL MONEY. THEY MUST NOT BE TRADEABLE.

Why?

If bought with isk, you reopen a whole new venue for isk sellers ingame. As it stands normal commodities will likely be isk buyable for your station quarters in Incarna. (God knows how CCP will stop vendors on that...) We don't want to backslide into that, right? Unholy Rage was a huge success, let's keep it that way. If you allow trade of these items, then isk vendors become 'specialty items' vendors. (See spammers in WoW for codes to spectral tigers or w/e). You absolutely must avoid this.

Cosmetics if they aren't tradable or purchasable with isk. Folks with too much cash get happy, CCP gets more money for their incredible game, normal players don't give a hoot and play the actual game.

Nejira
Posted - 2010.12.03 03:56:00 - [1165]
 

110% NO. A disgusting idea.

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:51:00 - [1166]
 

Having thought about this for awhile, I say PLEX should be used for account services only.

No in-game content in any way.

Niacin Eugenol
Posted - 2010.12.14 19:22:00 - [1167]
 

Cosmetic

As long as it only things that cant affect others, E.G. look of your avatar, char name change etc etc

Metalic Dragon
Posted - 2010.12.14 19:31:00 - [1168]
 

no and no no changes I am not happy so far about the loss of learning skills I hope what ever comes oput of it is good and I miss some of the char pic optiions I used to play as a nouther char and I kind of liked the pic but I come on and again and I can't find how to make it again but no no changes

Avendoor
Posted - 2010.12.14 19:36:00 - [1169]
 

Edited by: Avendoor on 14/12/2010 19:37:17
good god in heaven there is just so many ways i can say this;
no, never, uhuh, negatory, no way hosay, no chance lance,absolutely not, oh an my all time favourite... old man ccp falling off a cliff..

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTwisted Evil

Kai Yuen
Posted - 2010.12.14 20:32:00 - [1170]
 

NO


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