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Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2010.10.07 21:34:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Whitehound
The assets window keeps raising itself into the foreground whenever items are being move between different hangars.

By the way, "It is highly recommended that all players download and apply this optional patch." - why is a highly recommended patch made optional? Do you want to leave yourself the option of people reporting old bugs to you or do you only enjoy being stupid?


Because the process for deploying an optional patch takes only a few minutes, whereas deploying a full blown patch requires 4 hours. Or so Explorer said earlier in this thread.

Gharib Ghar
Posted - 2010.10.07 21:37:00 - [122]
 

The only problem I seem to have is the overview doubling on me, stations and gates in the wrong systems, and for some reason my bm's didn't transfer and copy into my cargo.

Lolmer
Amarr
Merciless Reckoning
Executive Solution
Posted - 2010.10.07 21:50:00 - [123]
 

Edited by: Lolmer on 07/10/2010 21:52:07
Edited by: Lolmer on 07/10/2010 21:51:01
Originally by: Hesidan

Still unfixed: - answering to an mail an pressing enter is like a blender for the whole text



I thought it was just my Mac's over-sensitive touchpad moving the text around while I typed...

I've also noticed when selecting an item at the beginning or end of my inventory and using SHIFT+Click to select another item further up (or down) the list (having to scroll), I then get *all* of my items selected in the inventory, not just the ones between endpoints.

ufkhg
Posted - 2010.10.07 22:03:00 - [124]
 

anyone else get no patch at all? on saying no to the latest patch(3rd?) it erased the patch that actually did work for me???? now i have no levels showing in the certificate planner, again.ugh

Slach
Posted - 2010.10.07 22:11:00 - [125]
 

Do we just have to get lucky to get the patch/patch/patch or can we actually download it somewhere. It doesn't just pop up and patch like other patches. Can you specify the patch/patch/patch client version? Can you please start patching right instead of spending 1 minute on a patch every single day or so? Do you even care about your paying customers at all? If so, then care more than 1 minute please.

Karia Sur
Posted - 2010.10.07 22:14:00 - [126]
 

ESC / General Settings (middle/bottom)

Veilag
Posted - 2010.10.07 22:17:00 - [127]
 

Hmm, this is a new one for me.

I have 2 accounts which use the same client, both had problems with the windows popping up everywhere. Downloaded patch #2 and todays #3, 1 account has windows still popping up everywhere, the other is perfect and has no bugs at all from what i can see.

Slach
Posted - 2010.10.07 22:19:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: ufkhg
anyone else get no patch at all? on saying no to the latest patch(3rd?) it erased the patch that actually did work for me???? now i have no levels showing in the certificate planner, again.ugh


I'm guessing the patch was such a colossal screw up 1 minute lol fix that they stopped offering it. Probably broke the remaining 3 things in the game which were not bugged yet.

Veilag
Posted - 2010.10.07 22:20:00 - [129]
 

patch is available when you log in, press esc and goto general settings.

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2010.10.07 22:40:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: C09
Is possible that you finally find the way to fix that damn position and dimension of the jetcan, giant secure and station container windows before i went crazy???!!!??? thanx
Yes, we have fixed that internally and will most likely deploy the fix next Tue.

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2010.10.07 22:42:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Elilil
Edited by: Elilil on 07/10/2010 13:39:01
Hi,

When I started EVE up, after DT, I noticed a new patch. Due to some human actions I declined the patch.

Is there a way to reapply the patch?
ESC - General Settings - Bottom of mid-column.

Panhead4411
Posted - 2010.10.07 22:51:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Captian Conrad
This, but kudos to CCP on rapid patch fixing Very Happy


Practice makes perfect right?

Anyone else reminded of the subtitles from Python's Holy Grail?


----------
We apologise for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible have been sacked.

Mynd you, m00se bites Kan be pretty nasti ...

We apologise again for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.

...

The directors of the firm hired to continue the credits after the other people had been sacked, with it to be known that they have just been sacked.

The credits have been completed in an entirely different style at great expense and at the last minute.
---------


Venge Dahveed
Posted - 2010.10.08 00:56:00 - [133]
 

Edited by: Venge Dahveed on 08/10/2010 01:02:42
For what it's worth, I wonder how much of the problem can be due to individual computer setup (OS, etc.)?

I have a Mac Pro and MacBook Pro, and have very few problems on either of them - none of which affect game play. I left the graveyard sewer of Windows years ago and won't ever go back. The trash that accumulates in the Bill Gates curse on humanity called "Windows" is a constant source of pain and suffering in the world. I bet my last pirate destroyed ship that much of the problem is due to the fact that (for now) mankind is still shackled to Windows.

I'm sure most of you are aware of the bugs that grow inside Windows and that regularly require an insecticide (I use System Mechanic generally). Just for grins, do a full System Mechanic scan, fix the problems that WILL be found in your Windows OS, and try again.

The ONLY real problems I've had occur when I quit the game. It sometimes hangs and forces me to shutdown the system. But then as I said, gameplay is not affected. A couple of minor nuisances are present from time to time, but all in all they are negligible.

I fully understand the severity of the frustration many may be having. I simply don't see the problems on my particular two Macs. Thank God for Apple. REPENT of your use of Windows and embrace the superiority of the Mac! Very Happy

Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
Posted - 2010.10.08 02:08:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Aessoroz
I can't believe these things are actually optional patches.


I just discovered that it is NOT optional.

I declined so-called optional patch #3 because optional patch #2 fixed the problems I was having.

When I declined, the client told me that it had to restart to remove the old patch because it was no longer compatible. Now I have no patches and no prompt to install patch #3.
Rolling Eyes

tyler6631
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.08 02:51:00 - [135]
 

i still have two problems with my UI still.

first off my cap once it's drained it acts funny. it will say i have no cap but when i'm actually about half full of cap. then i kick on my booster it will start to fill back up until it goes all the way up and and keep running. it fixs it's self once i dock. then if i drain my cap it happens again.

Also i have doubles in my overview once in a while. not sure of the cause but it happens once in a great while.

Lee Anderson
Eternal Profiteers
Posted - 2010.10.08 02:55:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: kudak'etan
I have been playing eve since 2005 and I have never once seen an optional patch been deployed and have also never seen any post patch fixes being introduced so closely to the original patch release.

Can you please reveal????

1. Have you developed a new patch routine for releases for quick fixes?
2. Have you increased your workload to much to handle?
3. Are you rushing your patches for competition reasons?

I love eve, don't kill it, I have never seen eve released into such a untested state, why are you having to release inncentives for players to log into the test server, are you having issues testing your own releases???

Can't pull wool over my eyes so tell me why so dramatically different to my previous 5 years of playing?
We initially developed the optional client hotfix system in Oct 2007 and iterated on it in Jan 2008. We have used it since then when it's appropriate.

We can only use it if the changes we are making are completely separated stand-alone client changes on one hand and stand-alone server changes on the other. As soon as there is a single coordinated client/server change then we have to go for a full patch.

When we have to use a full patch then we tend to hold off on the client changes and accumulate the fixes into a larger patch, due to the overhead. With the optional client hotfixes we release often, as soon as there are tested fixes ready.


Great job CCP for implementing this, save's us from downloading a full client :)

darkmatter456
Posted - 2010.10.08 03:13:00 - [137]
 

Edited by: darkmatter456 on 08/10/2010 03:15:05
This patch is causing me not being able to log on. The system said that there is error and kicks me off.

Swidgen
Posted - 2010.10.08 03:13:00 - [138]
 

So the overview cleans itself now after jumping into a new system, that's wonderful. Too bad it doesn't always clean itself when you undock. "Let's fix this one specific instance where the session changes. Wait... you mean there are other times when the session can change too?"

It's good to know someone is at least trying to work on the problems, even if it is some kid. Or maybe a monkey. Or even a hamster. The end result is the same so it's hard to guess.

I would much rather have these optional patches iterated every week if progress is made, instead of waiting weeks between full client patch downloads. On the other hand, it does seem as though we are paying you to be beta testers, so who knows if it's really a good thing or not. Question

ForgeMind
Posted - 2010.10.08 04:39:00 - [139]
 

So if you don't down load the third optional patch the first time it doesn't ask again and the patch on the website is just the 1.1 patch.
Any idea where or how i get this third patch?

Serpents smile
Posted - 2010.10.08 05:58:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: ForgeMind
So if you don't down load the third optional patch the first time it doesn't ask again and the patch on the website is just the 1.1 patch.
Any idea where or how i get this third patch?


Jebus crist, some of you are really daft. Is it the first time you use a forum? Do you really think you are the only one with this problem?

Scroll up, read the rest of this topic. The answer is there multiple times.

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2010.10.08 07:27:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Swidgen
So the overview cleans itself now after jumping into a new system, that's wonderful. Too bad it doesn't always clean itself when you undock. "Let's fix this one specific instance where the session changes. Wait... you mean there are other times when the session can change too?"

It's good to know someone is at least trying to work on the problems, even if it is some kid. Or maybe a monkey. Or even a hamster. The end result is the same so it's hard to guess.



This!

FIX the bug, not mask it!!111one
double overview when undocking ....

Stealthy
Imperial Guardians
Blazing Angels Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.08 07:28:00 - [142]
 

ok folks let me point out a few things.

I missed betatesting Eve due to only being able to afford a Nvidia Ti4200 vid card. It was good enough to play Eve at release but not enough to be a tester.

For whatever reason Eve is a wee bit more complicated than other games.. how so? Devs mess with the game code to fix prob A and it FUBARS somthing else entirely. This has happened over and over with Eve. And sometimes it takes MONTHS to fix. Personally I assume it has to do more with the complexity of the game coupled with it being all 300K of us playing in a single shard.

Not so -how about POS shields bug?

Next time a full patch hits notice the build number _I think its in the 50,000 range by now could be a lot higher. Expansion is free and the game does get better.

CCP as far as we know arent cheating the players by stacking the game in favor of their ingame buddies. Things could be a lot worse.

SO lets find something else to whine about or do I have to break out the expensive cheeses?

FYI we have had a min of 2 optional patches but never an optional patch to fix the optional patch

Buck Marui
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2010.10.08 10:20:00 - [143]
 

FYI the local chatter from NPC's does not play correctly anymore.

Specifically noticed in "Guristas Hideaway" sites

I did two last night the first one played none of the NPC chatter and the second one played only the first line.

"Patrol to HQ our position has been compromised..."

It should continue...

"You will regret that..."

It does not.

betoli
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.08 10:49:00 - [144]
 

has anyone seen the issue where resizing range on multiple (combat) probes with the mouse doesn't work. They all resize on screen but reset to the old value when you hit scan (except for the one that you dragged)

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2010.10.08 12:27:00 - [145]
 

Edited by: Rasz Lin on 08/10/2010 15:32:15
Edited by: Rasz Lin on 08/10/2010 15:28:37
Edited by: Rasz Lin on 08/10/2010 14:05:46
-minimizing local and bringing it back up makes it go a little crazy, the list is too short and fills properly only after you start scrolling it

-minimizing browser and bringing it back up also has a visual bug, you can see first image from the page filling the whole browser window for few frames (maybe one frame, it just flashes), looks like engine is reusing a buffer without reinitializing or something.

-opening fitting window still takes 2-4 seconds, please get rid of this stupid one-by-one animation

-opening skill subcategories is still choppy, takes over one second to open subcategory and it used to be instant


edit:

- fitting still broken, fitted modules go offline while you cant online them, have to be unfitted and fitted again

edit:
- chat still gets messed up sometimes and only way to unclutter text on text is to resize it a little

-"[15:28:44] Defecanda > .<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>."
That person was "clearing spam": in jita by making a huge empty message, there was no way to block him, hovering cursor over the nick wasnt producing right click menu :/ some other moron started copying him and i was albe to block second person no problem so its only the first guy. Resizing chat again fixes it and i finally blocked him after resizing chat with his empty entry on screen


Lentheb
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.08 18:03:00 - [146]
 

Edited by: Lentheb on 08/10/2010 18:10:53
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Captian Conrad
Originally by: Aessoroz
I can't believe these things are actually optional patches.
This, but kudos to CCP on rapid patch fixing Very Happy
You rarely see this since we don't update the patch notes (which we really should do so you are informed) but we normally hotfix the server once or twice a week, every week with all sorts of performance fixes and bug fixes. It just so happens that we are concentrating on the client at the moment, hence the flurry of fixes that are very visible to you.


Why is everyone complaining??? You should see the updates to my Gentoo Linux OS that happen almost daily, on top of the fact that I use WINE. You have to remember they are updating minor versions of Python from 2.5.x to 2.6.x. In these upgrades methods get rewritten upstream by the python developers to perform new behaviors, so the intended behavior in Eve gets quirky, and some get dropped all together, requiring code to be rewritten in Eve for method calls that no longer work. Be happy that we have a few more years of Python 2.x, as the current version of Python is actually 3.x. See http://www.python.org/the Python Website/url] for more details. For anyone who's curious my linux OS has both versions installed, but using Python 3 breaks my Package Installer, so Eve is right where it needs to be in terms of it's Software life-cycle.

Elder Thorn
Posted - 2010.10.08 18:22:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Lentheb


Why is everyone complaining??? You should see the updates to my Gentoo Linux OS that happen almost daily, on top of the fact that I use WINE. You have to remember they are updating minor versions of Python from 2.5.x to 2.6.x. In these upgrades methods get rewritten upstream by the python developers to perform new behaviors, so the intended behavior in Eve gets quirky, and some get dropped all together, requiring code to be rewritten in Eve for method calls that no longer work. Be happy that we have a few more years of Python 2.x, as the current version of Python is actually 3.x. See http://www.python.org/the Python Website/url] for more details. For anyone who's curious my linux OS has both versions installed, but using Python 3 breaks my Package Installer, so Eve is right where it needs to be in terms of it's Software life-cycle.


The thing that keeps anoying me is, #1 helped me, everythign was cool.
#2 was ok, but i had more problems than with #1.
when #3 came out, i just wanted to sort 2 short things in corp wallet, so i didn't install it, as it takes me a bit longer to download this stuff (64 kbps atm), and now the client does not ask me to isntall it again and i cant find a link to download it, a GM told me to follow the link on the log in screen, did so, now i am here.

If it would have been possible to keep #1 and ignore #2 and #3 i'd probably be fine, i'm sure theres a reason to remove #1 and #2 to get #3 rolling, but there really should be a way to choose the time when I want to install #3, not the first time i start the client.

Maybe i just overlook something but i'd be really happy to be able to install it, as withotu any of those optional patches, i'm not even logging into eve, because it sucks without them for me :D.

Will there be a #4, so i can just ignore eve for a while and download #4 then? :P

leoplusma
Posted - 2010.10.08 20:23:00 - [148]
 

Edited by: leoplusma on 08/10/2010 20:25:07
Edited by: leoplusma on 08/10/2010 20:24:12
alright, i understood why those patches are optional.
i had issues with 1.1, the first patch did nil, the second did help a bit,
the third one is a disaster, as i have more issues than i had with original 1.1
(actually, i now face the jumpin' of windows that i was reading from other players
but didnt really had it as a problem never before)

let me state that i play with 3 pc and problems are all same to every installation.

also, in NONE of those patches solved the problem of the AGENT CONVERSATION window. and as i have posted twice this bug and no fix whatsoever,
i am going to explain it once more, hoping it will be fixed someday.

i am docked. i start conv with agent. accept. i MINIMIZE the window by double clickin'
its window title bar. undocking. damn u scotty. warping to gate. jumping.
double click on the window title bar, the window is maximized. but it is EMPTY.
both panels, left and right. i have to click on the scrollbar on the right of each
panel to wake ui up and show whats written inside.


ty for your time
(pls try your best next optional patch)

leoplusma

Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
The Black Armada
Posted - 2010.10.09 03:01:00 - [149]
 

I have noticed with the last option patch that when you go to compose or reply to an eve mail in game, it messes the message completely up when you hit a carriage return for a new line.

Also, when you are copying and pasting within the same window, it does even stranger things (like copying and pasting parts of the message that was not even highlighted or pasting in a completely different portion of the message all together)

I have no idea how if should file a bug report as the problem is not consistent. also do not know what information i should provide in the bug report for it to be useful and pass filtering.

Zen

Liandra Xi
Amarr
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2010.10.09 06:29:00 - [150]
 

I see large numbers of posts in this topic, inclue my last post, have been deleted for some reason.

YOU CANNOT CENSOR US CCP, IT WILL ONLY WORK AGAINST YOU!!

In essence im using the 3rd optional patch and the double overview list (each item appearing twice) is NOT been fixed even though its listed in the patch notes as being fixed.

So basically 3 optional patches later there is still broken stuff from the 1.1 patch, so we had a patch to fix a patch, then a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch, then a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch.

Are you going to go for optional patch #4 now CCP? Maybe if you actually tested these patches BEFORE releasing them we wouldn't need so damm many of them.

Now go ahead, I dare you to delete my post again CCP! YOU CANNOT SILENCE US, WE WILL BE HEARD!


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