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Cecilia Syal
Minmatar
Blood Inquisition
Posted - 2010.10.04 20:41:00 - [1]
 

I would like to try to help others because I know how hard it is growing up in this harsh universe, I grew up in the Republic and was always picked on, and was poor and homeless. Living in cardboard box as I still do from time to time when i go on adventure and not want to rent room in stations...

About my experience:
I could not afford expensive clothing and I am short in height and Minmatar, So many treated me badly like I not even person it made me uncomfortable and scared, sometime people would walk right into me in stations knocking me down or give me dirty look, basically bullying me, sometime walking right over me! and when i was begging they would throw drink at me, or crush my cardboard box home while i sleeping, stepping on me! We must all stand up to bullying !

Why do people bully?:
From what i learn through the year there is many reason why people or organizations bully, it might be way of looking "cool" or making themself look powerfull, tough or in charge, some bully do it for attention or like others being afraid of them or they just enjoy hurting others cause they want to feel better themselves. it is a vicious cycle.

So whats wrong with bullying?:
Bullying is harmfull and wrong!, it can make those who are victim sad and cry. they can lose confidence, and end up think it is their fault! and then not achieve anything in life as a capsuleer. We must not let ourselves be effected by these bully's. and we must look for help when we victim of it

So today I create the channel: NOBULLY

For capsuleer who are victims of bullying and need help!
We can all make a difference to make universe better place.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.10.04 21:04:00 - [2]
 

Given the general nature of the cluster and the attitudes among most of its inhabitants, I'd say that your experiences are not uncommon...good luck.



Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2010.10.05 06:43:00 - [3]
 

The only way to deal with a bully is to stand up to him.

Pick the time, pick the place. Make it on your terms, not his.

And as the saying goes, "Where to fight counts for a lot. But there's nothing like having your friends show up. With lotsa guns."




Priest Amarr
Amarr
Temple's Gate
Posted - 2010.10.05 10:50:00 - [4]
 

So in the absence of Amarrians , Minmatars have no problem turning on each other? Interesting. Considering Minmatars peace loving nature, believing your story is very difficult Cecilia.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.05 11:02:00 - [5]
 

My ironyometer just broke.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.10.05 14:19:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Syn Callibri on 05/10/2010 14:20:27

You "gentlemen" keep conveniently forgetting...not only Minmatar live and travel in the Republic. There are plenty of Amarrians, Caldari, and Gallente there as well.


Sabbott
Amarr
Blood Inquisition
Posted - 2010.10.05 21:23:00 - [7]
 

This is a great initiative you made Cecilia,

I for one am against bully's as well, they lead to capsuleers only reaching a fraction of their potential, and paths of conflict, war, and loss of life.

The stars in this universe have many races and ethnicity's, but there is only one true faith of peace and understanding. I am glad you are with us.

-High Inquisitor Sabbott

Bohab
Amarr
Blood Inquisition
Posted - 2010.10.05 21:28:00 - [8]
 

Find solace in your faith and continue to seek the answer, You can never truly be "bullied"

Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2010.10.13 05:53:00 - [9]
 

To previous post: Good point, but while we wait for all of us to reach that stage:

Only together can the bully be truly defeated. Open your hearts, and Unite the races!

Rorin Cutter
Caldari
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.13 06:05:00 - [10]
 

I don't get it, so now you joined the Blood Raiders and bully other poor people and steal there blood?


Cecilia Syal
Minmatar
Blood Inquisition
Posted - 2010.10.13 22:33:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Rorin Cutter
I don't get it, so now you joined the Blood Raiders and bully other poor people and steal there blood?


hi sir, I think you are mistaken! we are peaceful and are the ones be bullied, also Codo Yagari is right we must all unite to end bullying. to bring peace

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.10.13 23:11:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
The only way to deal with a bully is to stand up to him.

Pick the time, pick the place. Make it on your terms, not his.

Nonsense, there are many other ways. Setting his children on fire for example. You could try disfiguring his face with corrosive chemicals. I also rather fancy pulling their fingers off with pliers.

... I'm probably the wrong person to give advice here.

Bohab
Amarr
Blood Inquisition
Posted - 2010.10.14 00:37:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
My ironyometer just broke.


you should have it repaired, I never leave home without mine

Rorin Cutter
Caldari
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.14 13:42:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Cecilia Syal
Originally by: Rorin Cutter
I don't get it, so now you joined the Blood Raiders and bully other poor people and steal there blood?


hi sir, I think you are mistaken! we are peaceful and are the ones be bullied, also Codo Yagari is right we must all unite to end bullying. to bring peace



Sorry, I do know that this is not true, as do my crew. If you have problems with being bullied, I can help you; all you have to do is ask God for forgiveness. Through hard work and prayer you can be saved.


Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
The only way to deal with a bully is to stand up to him.

Pick the time, pick the place. Make it on your terms, not his.

Nonsense, there are many other ways. Setting his children on fire for example. You could try disfiguring his face with corrosive chemicals. I also rather fancy pulling their fingers off with pliers.

... I'm probably the wrong person to give advice here.


Hello Mr. Shogaatsu, please tell TT I said hello.


-Rorin

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2010.10.14 16:58:00 - [15]
 

I see the Sani Sabik is trying its hand at Silver Night-style image-shift propaganda. A cult that reveres power in all its forms taking a stand against bullying, however, seems a bit like lungs taking a stand against carbon dioxide.

Of course, in opposing Silver's campaign, I may have underestimated the power of a good fiction. If this works the way Silver's campaign did, I suppose I'll have to concede the power of regularly-repeated lies over the (theoretically) reasoning mind. On the other hand, maybe sometimes a claim is just too absurd to be credited to begin with.

Well, let's see whether this nets your faith any sympathy.

Krychton
Amarr
Blood Inquisition
Posted - 2010.10.16 18:37:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
I see the Sani Sabik is trying its hand at Silver Night-style image-shift propaganda. A cult that reveres power in all its forms taking a stand against bullying, however, seems a bit like lungs taking a stand against carbon dioxide.

Of course, in opposing Silver's campaign, I may have underestimated the power of a good fiction. If this works the way Silver's campaign did, I suppose I'll have to concede the power of regularly-repeated lies over the (theoretically) reasoning mind. On the other hand, maybe sometimes a claim is just too absurd to be credited to begin with.

Well, let's see whether this nets your faith any sympathy.


No need to over analysis everything Miss Jenneth, I think Cecilia's approach is a little more light hearted then you think. Its more personal to her then just a "propaganda" piece.

We can all learn from her experiences, and take a more solid stance to hopefully improve the situation for those who feel, bullied.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2010.10.16 21:46:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Krychton
I think Cecilia's approach is a little more light hearted then you think. Its more personal to her then just a "propaganda" piece.


Really, now? Let's take a look at how this fits in with your current, ongoing efforts, Mr. Krychton. Let's start with your own words.

Originally by: Krychton
Some time ago a group of bandits came together to drive our people from our land, to destroy our culture and shake our resolve. These pirates, ****d, murdered. Women and children slaughtered to appease the greed of evil men. This snake still slithers in the grass today, known as the Amarr Empire, and their vast deralick of loyalists.


Oh, no! The poor, innocent Sani Sabik were attacked by the evil bandits (a civilization well over a thousand years old) called the Amarr Empire!

Never mind that your faith, and its conflict with the Amarr, is nearly as old-- maybe older. And yet you talk as though the Bleak Lands purge was the opening scene in this drama.

Originally by: Sabbott
the Amarr Empire is a Tyrannical Empire & a bastion of evil, and will attack on sight. Threat Advisement: Moderate

...

The truth is, Sani Sabik the faith is one of peace and understanding....


Oh, how cute. You and the Sisters of Eve, yes?

... Only it's the Minmatar you're really comparing yourselves to. A peaceful civilization attacked (or "bullied") by the crude, violent Amarr. You're really just sticking up for yourselves.

Right.

Except, even when you're in the process of spinning so hard that it's amazing your head doesn't come detached at the neck, you can't stop telling the truth.

Originally by: Krychton
Sani Sabik
Of Strength, Power, and Glory



Strength, Power, and Glory. That's what you're about; it's right there on your seal. Since when do people whose primary focus is "strength, power, and glory" complain-- whine-- about bullies? About putting a stop to bullying? If the weak are being bullied, they should put a stop to it themselves, right? Find their strength?

And if they can't, or won't, they deserve everything they get, true?

Power is important. To be without it is to surrender yourself to the will of those who possess it.

It's a fragment of truth-- not a whole reality, but a bitter insight into the function of the world.

So this ...

Originally by: Cecilia Syal
Bullying is harmfull and wrong!, it can make those who are victim sad and cry. they can lose confidence, and end up think it is their fault!


... coming from a member of your "flock," is flatly absurd.

Unless this is, itself, a part of your power play-- your bid for public support.

Krychton
Amarr
Blood Inquisition
Posted - 2010.10.16 22:20:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Krychton on 16/10/2010 22:30:06
You know Miss Jenneth I thought in the beginning you where just someone expressing her views, which is just fine with me. But its become more obvious that your criticism is an attempt at some kind of smear.

Even the Empire's lackies don't put this much into it.

So this leaves me with a couple conclusions.

1: You have nothing better to do.

2: Someone of our faith has wronged you at some point, and you've decided to take it out on the rest of us.

Yes, we have issues with a certain group of individuals called the Amarr Empire. I'm sure we'll all get together and work it out one day.

So my question is, whats it to you?

Cecilia's harmless attempt at reaching out to others who've been wronged by bullies, just like she has. It almost seems cruel of you to come on here and derail her attempts of closure for your own selfish gain.

Someone as intelligent and thoughtful as you, this must be a new low.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2010.10.16 22:37:00 - [19]
 

So, Aria, to go off at as light tangent, your words seem to imply you don't believe that Silver Night's abandonment of the Nation is genuine - can I infer that?

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.10.16 23:27:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Rorin Cutter
Hello Mr. Shogaatsu, please tell TT I said hello.
-Rorin

Under which name - his main, or one of your directors?

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2010.10.17 05:20:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 17/10/2010 05:42:45
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
So, Aria, to go off at as light tangent, your words seem to imply you don't believe that Silver Night's abandonment of the Nation is genuine - can I infer that?


Not really. I got a bit out of Silver's way in the later month or two of his time with the Nation for reasons I'd prefer you got from him, though you could probably also infer them from my remarks to him around the time the Nation incursions began.

Suffice to say that I believe Silver's stance on the Nation to be genuine-- more genuine, now, than it perhaps was before.

Originally by: Krychton
You know Miss Jenneth I thought in the beginning you where just someone expressing her views, which is just fine with me. But its become more obvious that your criticism is an attempt at some kind of smear.

Even the Empire's lackies don't put this much into it.


Considering that it took me all of two minutes to reach every conclusion listed, I'll take that as a high compliment. (It takes longer to record than to think.)

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1: You have nothing better to do.


Sort of true.

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2: Someone of our faith has wronged you at some point, and you've decided to take it out on the rest of us.


No more than any other adversary. Less than some. The Sani have found a shard of truth, and recognized it as such despite its painful nature.

That is admirable.

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I'm sure we'll all get together and work it out one day.


Highly doubtful, at least as a nice, peaceful conference with nobody under coercion. Either the Sani cults will be quashed and driven back underground, to resurface in a century or two, or the Amarr faith and nation will be subverted and transformed by yours.

I'm not sure there's another conclusion here-- other than some variation on the status quo, that is.

You are antithetical to one another. That is unlikely to change.

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So my question is, whats it to you?


Ah. There's a good question.

I am Achura, of monkish descent and training. Detached from the ways of my ancestors, unable to properly follow their paths, I seek to establish a "path" of our own by which I and other capsuleers might weigh and judge our choices and their consequences.

In pursuit of this end, I seek insight into our condition; in seeking insight, I examine the wisdom of my fellows. This includes the insights of other faiths.

The insight of the Sani is one compatible with our nature. Power is important to us. Power goes a long way towards defining our place. Power is to be respected, if not revered.

You see this. That is your merit.

And now you come, cloaking your insight in lies? Playing at a peaceful nature?

I knew Meb, Krychton. I know her. She's a friend, or something very similar.

But you insult me. You insult every capsuleer here. You misrepresent your people, you misrepresent your cause. Peaceful victims of Amarrian attack? Ludicrous. You know as well as I do how ancient this conflict is and how little "peace" either side offers the other.

Revan Neferis, dubious figure though she is, at least has the courage to be, unapologetically, what she is.

This ... this masquerade? It's miserable. You don't even lie well.

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Cecilia's harmless attempt at reaching out to others who've been wronged by bullies, just like she has. It almost seems cruel of you to come on here and derail her attempts of closure for your own selfish gain.

Someone as intelligent and thoughtful as you, this must be a new low.


My new low, Krychton, was when I caught my dear grandfather's neck between my ankles and twisted just so.

Pop.

Shall we compare cruelties? Those I've inflicted upon your dear corpmate versus those I've inflicted on my own kin?

I have little pity for those who have to hide behind illusions, Krychton. You begged for my intervention the moment you began this little misinformation campaign. If I have one overriding mania, it is accuracy.

That is my "angle" here.

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2010.10.17 06:43:00 - [22]
 

There is only one way to deal with a bully. The process is very simple.

1) Blind him. Dirt usually works. If you are a smoker it is even easier. Hold cig as usual and punch him/her in the eye with it.

2) Now that you have him or her in tears, it is time to turn off reflex. Punch in the throat as hard as you possibly can. Try to stay centered on the larynx.

3) Ok, so you have the threat pretty much grounded, you need to further the disable the immediate threat. Deliver a massive blow to the groin if male, if female, contrary to popular belief, a blow to the breast is even more effective.

4) Now that the threat is confused and disoriented, you can turn it into a non-threat. Rotate and hyper-extend the elbows and knees and deliver a downward strike, breaking them methodically.

5) If the threat is an insistant crawler and has the potential to bite, remove eyes and teeth as necessary.

Even if the bully is ten times your size, this method can easily be applied with grand results.

Valerie Valate
Amarr
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Posted - 2010.10.17 14:40:00 - [23]
 

Aria Jenneth, you're saying everyone other than Mebrithiel Juwein is doing it wrong, yes?

Because that's what you wrote.

Krychton
Amarr
Blood Inquisition
Posted - 2010.10.17 14:51:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Krychton on 17/10/2010 14:58:27
Aria you it make seem like I've come on here pretending to be something I'm not. I haven't denied my past crimes, instead I've offered the reasoning and motive behind them. You yourself just admitted to murder, but yet you come here as some kind of saint waving a flag thats not even your own. If I'm a lying monster, then that makes us equals.

What does the damned have to say to the damned? Apparently not much, other then we're both hypocrites pretending to be saints.

My pursuit for peace is my end game, now the path to peace is not an easy road to walk. That applies to any organization that ever rose and fell or exists today.

I have a personal investment in all this, while your doing this for no other reason other then fact that you're bored. I would understand an Amarrian coming on here saying the things you say, because he/she has a personal investment on behalf of his people, who stand on the other side of this.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, get a life, and stop ridiculing and criticizing people for no other reason then for pure entertainment. Your the last person who should be lecturing me on moral conduct.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2010.10.17 16:24:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 17/10/2010 16:34:49
Originally by: Krychton
Aria you it make seem like I've come on here pretending to be something I'm not.


That's pretty much the thrust, yes. Not quite as you make it sound, however.

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I haven't denied my past crimes, instead I've offered the reasoning and motive behind them.


Crimes? If they were in service to your faith, how were they "crimes," precisely, in the eyes of the Blood Raiders? In your eyes?

So why should you "admit" to past crimes? Do you plan to stop committing acts against the Amarr? Do you plan to surrender?

I certainly hope not. As much as I don't much like the idea of the Sani winning, the Amarr are a bit less dangerous with you people knocking at their borders.

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You yourself just admitted to murder, but yet you come here as some kind of saint waving a flag thats not even your own. If I'm a lying monster, then that makes us equals.


More or less, only I don't lie much.

Lies are fragile things, all gossamer and mist (not to say smoke and mirrors). The only way to sustain a large one is to shore it up almost endlessly (that was Silver's game). In general, they're easily penetrated.

Better-- more lastingly effective-- to present a truth. Not so much "the" truth; it's usually hard to say what that is.

"A" truth.

That's what I'd much rather see you do. Surely, you can show us what you're really about without playing the saint, as you observe.

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What does the damned have to say to the damned? Apparently not much, other then we're both hypocrites pretending to be saints.


Hrm. Am I a hypocrite? Maybe in some ways, but I don't think in this one.

I'm not anybody's "saint," pilot. At best, I'm a lost soul with the wherewithal to try and get my bearings. From most people's perspective, I'm, at best, a criminal.

Angel Cartel.

At worst, seeing as I've long since ceased claiming to be anything "human," I'm more like a demon, albeit the kind that rarely lies and is a bit of a fanatic for factual accuracy.

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My pursuit for peace is my end game, now the path to peace is not an easy road to walk. That applies to any organization that ever rose and fell or exists today.


Perhaps, but it's tempting to suggest that you and Sansha Kuvakei are on similar paths to peace-- as followers of the One True Faith, can there really be peace until you've run out of people to convert?

And then it'll be time to get down to some really good infighting, yes? Power should be competed for, true?

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I have a personal investment in all this, while your doing this for no other reason other then fact that you're bored.


Not quite. Meb and I may be old comrades, even friends of a kind, but your faction and mine are at odds. Meddling in your PR offensive is both a professional and a personal pleasure.

Mind you, I'd probably do it anyway. If you'll examine my record, here, you'll find that I enjoy playing the spoiler in such circumstances, and do so often.

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I guess what I'm trying to say is, get a life, and stop ridiculing and criticizing people for no other reason then for pure entertainment. Your the last person who should be lecturing me on moral conduct.


Ah, dear. Well, you're quite right on that, pilot. Except....

Can you find for me where I said, "You are evil?"

Can you find where I said, "You do bad things?"

Where I said that you should stop?

I don't think I've even told you that you should stop lying, though I'll admit to strongly encouraging that. Why do you even need such easily-shredded veils?

My faith's moral code is based strongly upon context, and I am not human. That makes me "evil" in many people's eyes; I am comfortable with that.

My criticism of you is not that you are being "evil," but that you are not arguing from your real position. You are playing a sympathy game based on veils, and if I can dismantle them, I will.

The world has enough tattered veils of illusion without you adding more.

Krychton
Amarr
Blood Inquisition
Posted - 2010.10.17 21:20:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Krychton on 17/10/2010 22:18:42
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Crimes? If they were in service to your faith, how were they "crimes," precisely, in the eyes of the Blood Raiders? In your eyes?

So why should you "admit" to past crimes? Do you plan to stop committing acts against the Amarr? Do you plan to surrender?

I certainly hope not. As much as I don't much like the idea of the Sani winning, the Amarr are a bit less dangerous with you people knocking at their borders.




What I meant by crimes, are largely do to the current space I reside in and the people I commit them against. Of course its a service to my faith and thats why I don't lose sleep over it.

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
That's what I'd much rather see you do. Surely, you can show us what you're really about without playing the saint, as you observe.



I don't see myself as a saint, I never have and I never will. I am very self of aware of the things I do. Please show me where I've called myself a "saint". All I've done is provide information, with a different side of the story.

For someone who's against spin tactics, you exercise it rather smoothly.

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Hrm. Am I a hypocrite?




Very much so,

I don't usually stalk the Galnet like some people do, so I don't know what issue with Silver you refer to, which you mention every chance you get. But its clear to me that you've accused him of spinning some lies that obviously didn't register correctly with you.

The amusing thing is, you're guilty of doing the same. So yes, to me, that makes you a hypocrite of the worst kind.

Originally by: Aria Jenneth

And then it'll be time to get down to some really good infighting, yes? Power should be competed for, true?


Who knows, I'll let you know when we get there.

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Not quite. Meb and I may be old comrades, even friends of a kind, but your faction and mine are at odds. Meddling in your PR offensive is both a professional and a personal pleasure.


Indeed our factions are at odds, so why even bother mentioning your friendship with Miss Ju'wien? She is of the same faith as me, she has done just as much as I have. Her goals are almost aligned with mine. But hey, its okay, because she's your BFF.

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
My criticism of you is not that you are being "evil," but that you are not arguing from your real position. You are playing a sympathy game based on veils, and if I can dismantle them, I will.


Your criticism is exactly implying that I'm some kind of "evil", because you've implied it the entire time, even in the same sentence. Ultimately you want me to present myself as a monster rather then a man surviving in a cold world.

You say you're not human, I believe you to be very human. Because like every human being, you're filled with flaws, like your argument and your intentions. That's why your "dismantling" isn't working out quite like you had hoped.





Cecilia Syal
Minmatar
Blood Inquisition
Posted - 2010.10.18 00:01:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Cecilia Syal on 18/10/2010 00:04:43
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
I'm, at best, a criminal. Angel Cartel.



Aria you are a angel cartel! they are criminal and are scum who will kill own family member for a few isk! are lowest of low of pirate dirt, go away you big bully and meanie! *shakes big stick*

PS: thanks Boma Airaken for tips i write down!

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2010.10.18 23:48:00 - [28]
 

"Bullies" eh?

I don't consider myself one. If I blow up your ship it was because it was there, it looked nice and juicy, and I was bored. If you contact me after such an event, I'll be glad to tell you what you did right and what you did wrong. If you take the advice to heart and learn then I have another target to look forward to in the future. It's as simple as that.

Some of us just enjoy chaos and destruction for the sake of chaos and destruction and not so much for the human element of it.

Nemesor
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.10.19 01:54:00 - [29]
 

I just have one question... Who gathered up the genetic refuse from the annual purging of their stations Fedo droppings, piled them into a cloning vat and decided to make a blood raider from them?

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2010.10.19 23:35:00 - [30]
 

Oh, dear, Krychton.

Ah, well. All right, then....

Originally by: Krychton
What I meant by crimes, are largely do to the current space I reside in and the people I commit them against. Of course its a service to my faith and thats why I don't lose sleep over it.


Good, then. We're largely on the same page in this sense.

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Please show me where I've called myself a "saint".


Mm. Read closely. What I said was,

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Surely, you can show us what you're really about without playing the saint, as you observe.


This was based on your own comment, two of your posts up:

Originally by: Krychton
What does the damned have to say to the damned? Apparently not much, other then we're both hypocrites pretending to be saints.


Perhaps I misunderstood you. If so, ah well.

About Silver Night:

Silver's an old friend and old adversary-- my counterpart, for a time, in Sansha's Nation. His task was to try to improve Sansha's Nation relations with the rest of the cluster; my task was to try and stop him. He started with a severe PR deficit (the Nation, with its insectoid ships and long-standing habit of conducting slave raids, was not the easiest subject for a public makeover), but made significant gains.

Impressive, really.

So far as I understand him, Silver did not say things he knew to be false so much as testify to things that he had no way of knowing the truth of. However, he also did not hesitate to suggest outright deceptions as means of, for instance, improving the public's perception of capsuleers.

He was a formidable adversary and an honorable man. I'd even call him a friend.

I mention him repeatedly because it is his standard you seem to be reaching for. That's my current theory; I'm looking forward to seeing whether you can disprove it.

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... to me, that makes you a hypocrite of the worst kind.


That's your prerogative. Really, it's difficult to exist in this universe without being a hypocrite of one sort or another. The universe isn't really designed for our ideological convenience.

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Originally by: Aria Jenneth

And then it'll be time to get down to some really good infighting, yes? Power should be competed for, true?


Who knows, I'll let you know when we get there.


Hm. If by that you mean that the future cannot be accurately predicted, that's strictly true, but it looks to me like it's on the level of "you can never really be sure of anything."

That is, technically true, but not useful. There's an abundance of theo-philosophical data available from which to extrapolate.

Can you speculate? Failing that, can you explain why you can't?

Or won't?

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... so why even bother mentioning your friendship with Miss Ju'wien? She is of the same faith as me, she has done just as much as I have. Her goals are almost aligned with mine. But hey, its okay, because she's your BFF.


I'm sorry? I don't think I'm following your argument here. Are you trying to say that because I oppose you, I should oppose her? I would. If she's behind your little blitz, here, I do. Personal friendship does not make political allies, nor political opposition personal enemies.

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Ultimately you want me to present myself as a monster rather then a man surviving in a cold world.


Mm. What do I want....

The Blood Raiders themselves are very much human. If you follow their ways closely, perceive as they do, it is likely that you are largely human, yourself.

That is not the argument here.

What I argue is that you misrepresent even the way the Raiders see themselves.

It seems to me that the Sani Sabik's strength came from embracing truth over hope-- recognizing and following the kind of god this world might actually have. So if you can't bring yourself to represent your faith as you actually see it, you throw away your greatest advantage.

Now, let's get to it-- can you offer some detailed counter-argument in place of ad hominem?


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