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Ben Musso
Posted - 2010.10.02 12:49:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
I realize now this means there will be UI issues, but if this kind of undertaking must be made to make the game's UI more efficient down the line, why not just wait until it's essentially ready before deployment? Make sure it is with rigorous testing, and if there are failures, back off and keep it off the live server until major testing can't find anything obvious.


Hm ... what makes you think that it's not more efficient already ?

I am asking "efficient" not "bug-free"/"flawless" ...

BM

Sombike
Caldari
Enterprise Estonia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.10.02 12:50:00 - [212]
 

THIS PATCH FIXED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, OMFG

Ben Musso
Posted - 2010.10.02 12:52:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Jane Griffin
If you think these client side patches are able to be implemented and accommodated while the server is running with no need to offline the server to allow modified clients, who am i to argue.


There are show-stopping problems and there are annoyances. CCP has, in the past, taken the cluster down IF there were show-stoppers discovered.

All we whine about right now does not affect game-play per se, it just annoys the heck out of us ( including me ). We still can play and fixes will be deployed. But right now, we can play.

BM

8klinger
Posted - 2010.10.02 12:54:00 - [214]
 

Hi,

Still have the same problems after donwloading the patch of today. I have lost 3 days of playing the game now and getting very very upset about it. Reason being I am a paying customer! I realy enjoy the game, as I play many hours a day.
Last but not least,I realy want to play again. Is there somebody that can fix this???????????????????????????????

regards.

Karia Sur
Posted - 2010.10.02 12:56:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: 8klinger
Is there somebody that can fix this???????????????????????????????

regards.



Bob The Builder.

Jane Griffin
Posted - 2010.10.02 12:56:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Ben Musso
Originally by: Jane Griffin
If you think these client side patches are able to be implemented and accommodated while the server is running with no need to offline the server to allow modified clients, who am i to argue.


There are show-stopping problems and there are annoyances. CCP has, in the past, taken the cluster down IF there were show-stoppers discovered.

All we whine about right now does not affect game-play per se, it just annoys the heck out of us ( including me ). We still can play and fixes will be deployed. But right now, we can play.

BM


The fixes to restore the UI need to be developed, and the server needs to be taken down as soon as they are ready to be implemented rather than waiting for downtime.

I didnt realise i had to spell it out like i was speaking to a child.

If you feel it necessary to continue trolling, go right ahead.

Ben Musso
Posted - 2010.10.02 12:57:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: 8klinger
Hi,

Still have the same problems after donwloading the patch of today. I have lost 3 days of playing the game now and getting very very upset about it. Reason being I am a paying customer! I realy enjoy the game, as I play many hours a day.
Last but not least,I realy want to play again. Is there somebody that can fix this???????????????????????????????

regards.



Excuse me ... what exactly is your problem that you lost 3 days of game play.

You making window arrangements for screenshots ?

BM

PCDRalf
Posted - 2010.10.02 12:58:00 - [218]
 

Especially the announced-to-be-fixed-bug with the window position is still there ... the only thing vanished (if it ever existed) was their QA

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2010.10.02 12:59:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Ben Musso
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
I realize now this means there will be UI issues, but if this kind of undertaking must be made to make the game's UI more efficient down the line, why not just wait until it's essentially ready before deployment? Make sure it is with rigorous testing, and if there are failures, back off and keep it off the live server until major testing can't find anything obvious.


Hm ... what makes you think that it's not more efficient already ?

I am asking "efficient" not "bug-free"/"flawless" ...

BM


Point taken, then. Though I will say I seem to have the least of issues if all I'm running into are a few of the window snap-to indicators missing and column issues in the Market and such, from the looks of the rest of this thread.

As usual, though, CCP makes a stumble while progressing forward. I look forward to when it works as intended.

Jane Griffin
Posted - 2010.10.02 12:59:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Ben Musso
Originally by: 8klinger
Hi,

Still have the same problems after donwloading the patch of today. I have lost 3 days of playing the game now and getting very very upset about it. Reason being I am a paying customer! I realy enjoy the game, as I play many hours a day.
Last but not least,I realy want to play again. Is there somebody that can fix this???????????????????????????????

regards.



Excuse me ... what exactly is your problem that you lost 3 days of game play.

You making window arrangements for screenshots ?

BM


Some people cant log on or update to the original patch that caused this problem, havent you got anything better to do apart from trolling people?

Jidax
Posted - 2010.10.02 12:59:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Karia Sur
Originally by: 8klinger
Is there somebody that can fix this???????????????????????????????

regards.



Bob The Builder.


Lol. Strrrrrrrrrrrrike!

Ben Musso
Posted - 2010.10.02 12:59:00 - [222]
 

Originally by: Jane Griffin
The fixes to restore the UI need to be developed, and the server needs to be taken down as soon as they are ready to be implemented rather than waiting for downtime.

I didnt realise i had to spell it out like i was speaking to a child.

If you feel it necessary to continue trolling, go right ahead.


Guess you are not aware that EVE-Online has daily downtime and that the patch today was deployed during todays and that the next will be deployed during on also, maybe tomorrow ( who knows ).

BM

Raferau
Gallente
Red Horizon Inc
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2010.10.02 12:59:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Ben Musso
Originally by: Jane Griffin
If you think these client side patches are able to be implemented and accommodated while the server is running with no need to offline the server to allow modified clients, who am i to argue.


There are show-stopping problems and there are annoyances. CCP has, in the past, taken the cluster down IF there were show-stoppers discovered.

All we whine about right now does not affect game-play per se, it just annoys the heck out of us ( including me ). We still can play and fixes will be deployed. But right now, we can play.

BM


One of the more important aspects of my game play is to stay alive (its a lot easier that way and you save huge ammounts of ISK)
intel chat flipping to other chat pages, increased lag when leaving stations and jumping so you can find yourself ganked and podded when you eventually get there is not my idea of being able to play

vekol
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:00:00 - [224]
 

lmao, Hiding passive modules hides all modules. Well, all this issues and a damn long downtime on Thursday for what?

Jane Griffin
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:03:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Ben Musso
Originally by: Jane Griffin
The fixes to restore the UI need to be developed, and the server needs to be taken down as soon as they are ready to be implemented rather than waiting for downtime.

I didnt realise i had to spell it out like i was speaking to a child.

If you feel it necessary to continue trolling, go right ahead.


Guess you are not aware that EVE-Online has daily downtime and that the patch today was deployed during todays and that the next will be deployed during on also, maybe tomorrow ( who knows ).

BM


Now you are getting nearly as tedious as window tabs switching by themselves.

All im saying is that if the fix is forthcoming, i think it will be worth it for everyone nerves to get in done sooner rather than later.

If you want to wait for tomorrows downtime or who knows when, in your words, thats fine. Instead of attacking other peoples posts why not make your own saying something like;

'Hi CCP, please fix it maybe tomorrow or who knows when' and you will have accomplished everything you seem to be trying to say...

8klinger
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:04:00 - [226]
 

sorry m8 try to send printscreen but it does not work.
My overview is to big and causing problems in a mision

Ben Musso
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:06:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: Raferau
One of the more important aspects of my game play is to stay alive (its a lot easier that way and you save huge ammounts of ISK)
intel chat flipping to other chat pages, increased lag when leaving stations and jumping so you can find yourself ganked and podded when you eventually get there is not my idea of being able to play


Perfect example of client side vs server side issues.
Window jumping around like rabbits, not sticking into place ... client side.
Lag and that resulting in ganks ... could be both, client or cluster.

While I do not agree about all the window fuzz ... I have not noticed more lag when jumping/undocking but that might be situational and if you have it ... worth letting CCP know so they can do something about it.

BM

Ben Musso
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:08:00 - [228]
 

Edited by: Ben Musso on 02/10/2010 13:09:32
Originally by: 8klinger
sorry m8 try to send printscreen but it does not work.
My overview is to big and causing problems in a mision


I think there is an option to reset windows to default positions somewhere ... hold on.

Settings - Reset Settings - press "Reset windows to default positions." Or rather the button to the right of it.

That will reset ALL your windows also, but should take care of an overly inflated Overview.

BM

Jane Griffin
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:08:00 - [229]
 

Originally by: Ben Musso
Originally by: Raferau
One of the more important aspects of my game play is to stay alive (its a lot easier that way and you save huge ammounts of ISK)
intel chat flipping to other chat pages, increased lag when leaving stations and jumping so you can find yourself ganked and podded when you eventually get there is not my idea of being able to play


Perfect example of client side vs server side issues.
Window jumping around like rabbits, not sticking into place ... client side.
Lag and that resulting in ganks ... could be both, client or cluster.

While I do not agree about all the window fuzz ... I have not noticed more lag when jumping/undocking but that might be situational and if you have it ... worth letting CCP know so they can do something about it.

BM


Maybe he should be able to post on the forum without getting trolled by some OCD drunkard?

intel channel doesnt need to be causing lag to get you killed, it just needs to switch to another window when important information is coming in.

Azzail
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:10:00 - [230]
 

Edited by: Azzail on 02/10/2010 13:26:23
Overview issues still occur from time to time!
Wreck's Cargo windows are still reset every god damn time to default position. Hell it can't be that hard to fix..
Moving items is annoying since the item icon totaly overlaps the cursor.

But patching worked fine and module issues seem to have gone:)


*edit*
some windows still hop all over the place but only while being docked on station.

Ben Musso
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:11:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Jane Griffin
Maybe he should be able to post on the forum without getting trolled by some OCD drunkard?

intel channel doesnt need to be causing lag to get you killed, it just needs to switch to another window when important information is coming in.


My medical history and pasttime pleasures do not affect my forum posting capabilities, rest assured.

BM

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:14:00 - [232]
 

Basically, no changes were made to UI...
Windows keeps unstacking and jumping around, moreover, when you stack windows in one place, it's likely they get stacked all in some other place, i just had this case when my cargohold was partially overlapping chat frames, stacked other ship's cargohold with forst one... tried to, and they all got merged to the chat instead.

Jane Griffin
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:15:00 - [233]
 

Edited by: Jane Griffin on 02/10/2010 13:16:05
Originally by: Ben Musso
Originally by: Jane Griffin
Maybe he should be able to post on the forum without getting trolled by some OCD drunkard?

intel channel doesnt need to be causing lag to get you killed, it just needs to switch to another window when important information is coming in.


My medical history and pasttime pleasures do not affect my forum posting capabilities, rest assured.

BM


Well, were not all drunks who wouldnt know if eve was fixed or not, or troll people on issues they know nothing about like the original patching problems that have prevented many from playing at all.

I think the vast majority would welcome an emergency DT as soon as a fix to restore normal UI can be created.

Though, no one is forcing you to do it, you can wait until tomorrows DT or "who knows" to update yours if you wish lol...

Attila Hellsfury
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:15:00 - [234]
 

Edited by: Attila Hellsfury on 02/10/2010 13:41:11
Fixed lot of things , after cleared game cache, but the pinned w stacked windows still sucks, please tell me why you guys do patches that are worser than the running system?

Karia Sur
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:17:00 - [235]
 

Originally by: Jane Griffin
I think the vast majority would welcome an emergency DT as soon as a fix to restore normal UI can be created.


2 problems with that......

1 - do CCP know what the problems is?

2 - are they capable of fixing it?

....on current experience my answer for #2 would be possibly not.

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:22:00 - [236]
 

Edited by: Tonto Auri on 02/10/2010 13:23:07
We don't care on both, as long as they revert all changes done in 1.1 to the previous state.
Or do they want to refund all sovereignty changes happened due to people been unable to play?

Jane Griffin
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:22:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: Karia Sur
Originally by: Jane Griffin
I think the vast majority would welcome an emergency DT as soon as a fix to restore normal UI can be created.


2 problems with that......

1 - do CCP know what the problems is?

2 - are they capable of fixing it?

....on current experience my answer for #2 would be possibly not.


I dont know, i cant see the UI problems being that catastrophic. Which is what makes it all the more frustrating.

Karia Sur
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:29:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: Jane Griffin
I dont know, i cant see the UI problems being that catastrophic. Which is what makes it all the more frustrating.


If the main coders are working on other projects and this update/patch/botch call it what you will, has been done by noobs/rookies/the ones not trusted to work on the 'big' projects, then who knows what damage has been caused.

It still boils down to the fact that less than 1 hours testing would have picked up some of these problems. Suffice to say that they either did no testing, or said stuff it and still deployed the original patch knowing it was bugged.

Ben Musso
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:30:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: Jane Griffin
Well, were not all drunks who wouldnt know if eve was fixed or not, or troll people on issues they know nothing about like the original patching problems that have prevented many from playing at all.

I think the vast majority would welcome an emergency DT as soon as a fix to restore normal UI can be created.

Though, no one is forcing you to do it, you can wait until tomorrows DT or "who knows" to update yours if you wish lol...


Sure, I'd welcome an emergency downtime if a 100% fixed UI would be published.
Since I do not see that happening anytime soon, the UI working so your "vast majority" would be happy, I go with patches during the daily downtime for now, that attempt ( within a 2 day timeframe ) to fix what your "vast majority" has discovered not working.

I apply logic and patience.

Sadly ... you will need to get to know EVE a lot better to understand since these are still your first few days in EVE. Play a few years :) first.

Yogurette
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:32:00 - [240]
 

Why is there no manual patch download possible?

This is just ridiculous since it is well known that the autopatching system itself is not working very well.

So how should i go about patching my linux clients now?

CCP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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