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Dy Morphin
Gallente
Cloak and Daggers
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2010.10.02 02:33:00 - [91]
 

I still think your ALL on crack...and CCP has gone corporate and can't even test properly. The game is getting so complex with Dust 514 and PI and Incarna and and and and... I worry it is getting too complex. (oh and the LAG problem )

I wish CCP would understand that a massive test department is just as important as everything else.

Lev Aeris
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.10.02 02:55:00 - [92]
 

Thank you for giving me my green stars back.

superstrong
Posted - 2010.10.02 02:55:00 - [93]
 

Seems some are having problems with the overview now. I personally cant launch drones , the drone overview continues to default back to your set overview and will not allow the deployment of drones, every time you move the mouse to the drone launch it defaults back to original overview.
Also at gates every time you depress your talk key while in eve chat the overviews flip back to original instead of select. I hope they address this soon, if you get killed as a result of an inability to destroy frigates that are warp scamming you while in an heavy amar mission then am i going to get , (oh sorry we couldn't find any problems tough luck?) or trying to jump a gate and the overview is not working properly and your in low sec? What then? Is anyone experiencing these issues?

Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
Posted - 2010.10.02 02:58:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Solbright on 02/10/2010 02:59:39
Originally by: Dy Morphin
I still think your ALL on crack...and CCP has gone corporate and can't even test properly. The game is getting so complex with Dust 514 and PI and Incarna and and and and... I worry it is getting too complex. (oh and the LAG problem )

I wish CCP would understand that a massive test department is just as important as everything else.

Umm, no, Eve has always been a throw it out there and see what breaks production. This behavior hasn't changed from day one.


Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
Posted - 2010.10.02 03:03:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Following downtime you will see a pop up box once the client is launched informing you that a patch is available and if you want to install. If you click 'Yes' then the patch will be applied and then you can log into Tranquility. If you choose 'No' you will log in to Tranquility directly but you will none of the fixes applied. If you clicked 'No' in error you can still apply the patch by going to the ESC menu, General Settings and apply the patch from the 'Install' button there.

This will be interesting to see if offline patching works ...


Calligular
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.10.02 03:25:00 - [96]
 

Sorry to all those that say we shouldn't whine, but when something as basic as the UI goes wrong, to the extent that you have window problems, then as far as I'm concerned, that is extremely shoddy.

I mean, for gods sake, the UI is something that everyone who plays EvE has to use and look at..... if anything, it should be the one thing that has to be spot on, no excuses.

If you paid for faulty goods, you'd complain to the shop you bought it from, and if they continued to offer faulty goods, you simply wouldn't shop there any more. In the country that i live in, there is a small piece of retail law, that says that the goods which are for sale must be fit for the purpose they are sold for.... the Eve UI is supposed to let you play the game, evidently, a lot of people cant, there for it is unfit for purpose.

I pay for this game, i expect it to work!!

Bhattran
Posted - 2010.10.02 03:26:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
An optional patch will be deployed during downtime on Saturday, October 2 which will fix several issues reported to us following the release of Tyrannis 1.1. While the patch is optional, we would encourage everyone to apply the update to ensure your gameplay is improved over the weekend. The optional patch will be included in a future client update. A full list of updated patch notes can be found here.

Following downtime you will see a pop up box once the client is launched informing you that a patch is available and if you want to install. If you click 'Yes' then the patch will be applied and then you can log into Tranquility.
If you choose 'No' you will log in to Tranquility directly but you will none of the fixes applied. If you clicked 'No' in error you can still apply the patch by going to the ESC menu, General Settings and apply the patch from the 'Install' button there.




Allegedly, that is it might do that and it might download a POS corrupt file ask you to repair it then fail to do so and never try to download it again or do anything useful other than waste your time, in which case you'll want to download it manually and have a few beers.

Jarlexly
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.10.02 04:57:00 - [98]
 

Hi, after Tyrannis 1.1 patch, when we logged in most corp members seeing eachother in "Corp chat" Neutral or high standing emblem, after this we asked to our allies and friends to check this, they confirm that they are having same problem. This is at chat lists not in overview. At space everything is in proper. i hope they fixed it.

Milch Russ
Posted - 2010.10.02 05:21:00 - [99]
 

Games will have flaws. Period. There is not a game out there that is perfect, much less a MMO. I realize there may be big problems, but seriously just state your problems. Whining and moaning have never fixed a game. Anyone expecting instant fixes should also know better. If they could make the game work perfectly they would, but it is complex and not everything is as simple to fix as you wish or think.

Cuchulain Spartan
Posted - 2010.10.02 05:39:00 - [100]
 

Edited by: Cuchulain Spartan on 02/10/2010 05:40:43
Originally by: zoltar pdp
I have been a programmer for some years and now i'm in the QA department of a web agency.

If I release a product that fails as hard as EvE has failed the last 3 patches, first I get a warning, next i'm fired. JUST SAYING. The low standards you have with your QA department is getting ******ed patch after patch. START HIRING DECENT PROFESSIONALS.


I do a lot of programming in my line of works, all related to pharmaceutical and drug manufacture. If I produced code that was even 5% as bad as CCP's level of quality id:

A) Be fired
B) Be sued for 10's of thousand if not 100's of thousand $
C) Never find employment again
D) Cost my employer 10's of thousand if not 100's of thousand
E) Kill off a significant amount of lab animals
F) Delay the shipment of critical medication to terminaly ill patients

You CCP staff have it easy being kept employed after these latest patches! Come on, put a little more effort in, I believeWink

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
Posted - 2010.10.02 05:44:00 - [101]
 

Was there any resolution to the issue of already-training skills getting 40-50% time added to them?

Orange Lagomorph
Posted - 2010.10.02 05:51:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Cuchulain Spartan
I do a lot of programming in my line of works, all related to pharmaceutical and drug manufacture. If I produced code that was even 5% as bad as CCP's level of quality id:

A) Be fired
B) Be sued for 10's of thousand if not 100's of thousand $
C) Never find employment again
D) Cost my employer 10's of thousand if not 100's of thousand
E) Kill off a significant amount of lab animals
F) Delay the shipment of critical medication to terminaly ill patients

You CCP staff have it easy being kept employed after these latest patches! Come on, put a little more effort in, I believeWink


Phew, it's a good thing you don't also have to spell properly to get that critical medication out to terminally ill patients.

Cause of death: Improper use of a gerund.

Sal Alo
Minmatar
Pane e Panelle
Posted - 2010.10.02 06:45:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: ThE AthEiiSt
CCP; Can't Code Properly.

Sums this thread up, basically :)


C++ Cancelled for Python

Chromoburst
Posted - 2010.10.02 07:03:00 - [104]
 

Come on guys give them a break, bugs happen. There is a certain balance between bug testing, cost, and time. If things break you do your best to fix it. Thats just the way this industry works.

Regarding Whinging vs Flaming: Saying CCP is full of terrible programmers and technicians is just ******ed. They've developed a cutting edge piece of software and have made technological history with this game. On the other hand saying that you want some bug fixed has a constructive effect as these complaints form the chorus that is the voice of CCP's customer base and have an effect on future development. So stop flaming CCP and just state your concerns like adults and respect one another for crying out loud.

Ebisu Kami
Posted - 2010.10.02 07:11:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Ebisu Kami on 02/10/2010 07:12:49
Originally by: Chromoburst
Come on guys give them a break, bugs happen. There is a certain balance between bug testing, cost, and time. If things break you do your best to fix it. Thats just the way this industry works.


Seeing that many of the bugs of this patch were already known and reported over on SiSi, I think it's easy to disagree with that opinion. This is happening time and again and either they have to give more time for QA, their bug-traking system needs a serious rethought or those, who push such silly decissions before thinking about it, should get off their chair and a boot to the ass.

Originally by: Chromoburst
Regarding Whinging vs Flaming: Saying CCP is full of terrible programmers and technicians is just ******ed. They've developed a cutting edge piece of software and have made technological history with this game. On the other hand saying that you want some bug fixed has a constructive effect as these complaints form the chorus that is the voice of CCP's customer base and have an effect on future development. So stop flaming CCP and just state your concerns like adults and respect one another for crying out loud.


Past deeds are no excuse for future or even present failings. If you were the best and want to stay the best, you have to keep trying to be the best.

Kogh Ayon
Posted - 2010.10.02 07:12:00 - [106]
 

Sorry can't see any fix about the language input issue which will double what you just entered.

For example a "屌, ㅓㅑ ", will be "屌屌, , ㅓㅓㅑㅑ " after the 1.1 patch. If I disable the EVE IME the then I can't see any characters to choose.

I have to say it is somewhat serious because chating is one of the most improtant gameplay for some ppl include me.


Endrin Tremmel
Posted - 2010.10.02 07:49:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: ThE AthEiiSt
CCP; Can't Code Properly.

Sums this thread up, basically :)


Then don't play the game. Why don't you try creating a game that is bug free. This is something I do not say lightly but... IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. I'm sorry but you are a complete idiot if you think you are going to code a perfect game. If you can manage it thought, expect my $15 a month.

If you ever create a game and state for a fact that it is and always will be bug free and cannot deliver? Well now... You'll know why I called you an idiot.

Basically... **** you very much for your useless comment. Very Happy

Endrin Tremmel
Posted - 2010.10.02 07:57:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Milch Russ
Games will have flaws. Period. There is not a game out there that is perfect, much less a MMO. I realize there may be big problems, but seriously just state your problems. Whining and moaning have never fixed a game. Anyone expecting instant fixes should also know better. If they could make the game work perfectly they would, but it is complex and not everything is as simple to fix as you wish or think.


Amen

Mrs Retina
Posted - 2010.10.02 08:07:00 - [109]
 

Good thinking making the patch "optional". That way if someone experiences problems with it then it's their own damn fault for installing the damn thing! Who said CCP were dumb? Laughing

Endrin Tremmel
Posted - 2010.10.02 08:18:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: Endrin Tremmel on 02/10/2010 09:36:18
Originally by: Cuchulain Spartan
Edited by: Cuchulain Spartan on 02/10/2010 05:40:43
Originally by: zoltar pdp
I have been a programmer for some years and now i'm in the QA department of a web agency.

If I release a product that fails as hard as EvE has failed the last 3 patches, first I get a warning, next i'm fired. JUST SAYING. The low standards you have with your QA department is getting ******ed patch after patch. START HIRING DECENT PROFESSIONALS.


I do a lot of programming in my line of works, all related to pharmaceutical and drug manufacture. If I produced code that was even 5% as bad as CCP's level of quality id:

A) Be fired
B) Be sued for 10's of thousand if not 100's of thousand $
C) Never find employment again
D) Cost my employer 10's of thousand if not 100's of thousand
E) Kill off a significant amount of lab animals
F) Delay the shipment of critical medication to terminaly ill patients

You CCP staff have it easy being kept employed after these latest patches! Come on, put a little more effort in, I believeWink


Do you guys not think before posting? THIS IS A GAME THAT CHANGES THOROUGHLY EVERY 6 MONTHS! If this was a pharmaceutical business, you wouldn't be a customer unless you are a hard core drug addict that didn't care what he was injecting. This game is the most complex game EVER created. If CCP was a normal "safe" game production company, this game would totally suck. This game lives on the bleeding edge. If you can't handle that then go play a simpleton game like WoW. If you want features, twice a year expansions (to further the complexity and awesomeness), enormous fleet battles, and friends you will know for years since no one ever actually quits this game, then stop your damn complaining. You guys sound like a bunch of adolescent girls with blood in their pants for the first time. This game has a learning curve more similar to a brick wall and that's why I like it. If this was a simple game, **** would get fixed by CCP before you knew it was broke. Unfortunately, you decided to pick the pioneer of game development, which in turn requires immense efficiency the likes of which will never be born.

Be happy they are so quick to address common issues.

inza onoa
Cruentus Invicta
Posted - 2010.10.02 08:30:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: inza onoa on 02/10/2010 08:32:46
CCP devs or CEO, are you sniffing Coke during worktime (and after worktime) alot?

Rollback of tyrannis 1.1 seems to be the ONLY logical option. ROLLBACK the darn thing, and in future try to be more carefull, as in test updates more carefully, before you go live with a new patch.

The only thing you do now is:
- you waste your time, but also the time of your consumers aka the players.
- you hurt your name by messing up so much with all those unwanted patches, downtimes, introducing of so many new bugs before you fixed the old ones.

Efraya
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.10.02 08:38:00 - [112]
 

Dear CCP,

I have just embarked on my Software Development career. I have gained a great deal of appreciation at the sheer complexity of sometimes, very simple systems. You are providing an excellent product and the example you provide other development houses regarding fan fest's, CSM and general community interaction is exemplary.

Thanks for all the hard work,

Ef.

Dear players of eve,

HTFU...

Ef.

Rieleph
Posted - 2010.10.02 08:40:00 - [113]
 

I just wanna my Coolant and Mechanical Parts back. I've had about 5-10mil isk worth product on a planet (all long night production, only processors on that planet), in spaceport. But when I've tried to export, it said I have none. And disappeared them all after few tries. But I had some supply for producing them left, so I should at least have SOME, right? Even if numbers I was seeing was wrong, I could not end up with NOTHING after all night! For my young character 5-10mil do is a big issue - 1/3 of the most expensive ship I've ever lost! And there's no word about this in optional patch notes.

inza onoa
Cruentus Invicta
Posted - 2010.10.02 08:53:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Efraya


I have just embarked on my Software Development career. I have gained a great deal of appreciation at the sheer complexity of sometimes, very simple systems. You are providing an excellent product and

Blabla



Really Efraya, you seem to be missing the point entirely.

EVE online is a complex world with lots of systems involved. Though, complex systems dont have to be complex to handle or to manage.
Its all about the way HOW you manage those systems that makes it a succes or a general failure.

Releasing unthoughtfull or untested patches on a live server is asking for problems, problems which we customers are confronted with. With ingame unplayability, losses or other kinds of unsatisfying events.

Now CCP could decide to do things a little diffent. Just for example, listing all bigs known till today, work upon that instead of introducing new features.
Incase bug fixes make it to a new patch. Apply the patch in a test environment and test intensively before applying it in a live environment.

As you have a software developping carreer you yourselve must see some truth in this. Ofcourse there are people who are always whining. I'm not pointing to those. But a fair amount of people just see that the way CCP operates isn't functioning anymore, tyrranis or dominion is a mere prove of that.
Lately releasing new content has become more important then the reliability and gameplay of the game itself, while that should be the core of the game and the content just a layer around or above it.

As I am a CEO of a corporation myself, i just see the way CCP runs things lately is atleast to be called "a little sloppy".

Thanks for reading this.

Tank Gurl
Posted - 2010.10.02 09:05:00 - [115]
 

We got a 3-6 dive here, folks.

Endrin Tremmel
Posted - 2010.10.02 09:45:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: inza onoa
Originally by: Efraya


I have just embarked on my Software Development career. I have gained a great deal of appreciation at the sheer complexity of sometimes, very simple systems. You are providing an excellent product and

Blabla



Really Efraya, you seem to be missing the point entirely.

EVE online is a complex world with lots of systems involved. Though, complex systems dont have to be complex to handle or to manage.
Its all about the way HOW you manage those systems that makes it a succes or a general failure.

Releasing unthoughtfull or untested patches on a live server is asking for problems, problems which we customers are confronted with. With ingame unplayability, losses or other kinds of unsatisfying events.

Now CCP could decide to do things a little diffent. Just for example, listing all bigs known till today, work upon that instead of introducing new features.
Incase bug fixes make it to a new patch. Apply the patch in a test environment and test intensively before applying it in a live environment.

As you have a software developping carreer you yourselve must see some truth in this. Ofcourse there are people who are always whining. I'm not pointing to those. But a fair amount of people just see that the way CCP operates isn't functioning anymore, tyrranis or dominion is a mere prove of that.
Lately releasing new content has become more important then the reliability and gameplay of the game itself, while that should be the core of the game and the content just a layer around or above it.

As I am a CEO of a corporation myself, i just see the way CCP runs things lately is atleast to be called "a little sloppy".

Thanks for reading this.



Am I the only one that thinks spelling and not lying about job title is important to conveying a legitimate argument?

Efraya
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.10.02 09:50:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: inza onoa

Missing the point entirely



BECAUSE it is so complicated and a testing environment NEVER 100% emulates the production environment, stuff happens.

So yea, I think you have missed the point. Learn to dictionary too please.



Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2010.10.02 09:50:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: Whitehound on 02/10/2010 09:52:42
While I do agree with CCP that there are bugs that are hard to catch, do I also agree that CCP are not doing their job right. The excuse of not being able to test it all is coming a bit too often. In cases where the bugs jump right into one's face as with 1.1, and into the faces of many, is this excuse turning more into an open resignation of the volume of bugs, which needs to be fixed with every release.

At the root seems to stand some of CCP's bosses, who must have said that it is making them more money to bring new features rather than fixing old ones. I am surprised to see someone at this level to be talking about making money, when they should be making games. It is not wrong to make money, but it is superficial to think this way and shows a lack of insight.

If anyone at CCP wants to be a money maker then they should have started a bank and not a games company. Only the directors of banks think about making money. Directors of game companies still have to think of making games, and it is not like CCP will fade away tomorrow, because of running out of cash and customers!

So, please, give us some love by giving the game some love and put more effort into fixing bugs.

Endrin Tremmel
Posted - 2010.10.02 09:57:00 - [119]
 

I give up

Blue Harrier
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.02 10:09:00 - [120]
 

Just a suggestion for people with enough space, make a backup of your current Eve folder(s) before applying the ‘Optional’ patch to the current game then if things go ‘Base over Apex’ you can copy the backup back and try again.

I always do this before a patch as a ‘Just in Case’ measure.


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