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Dantaeri
Caldari
Cold Steel Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.04 05:01:00 - [31]
 

I tried the assault 2 with my tengu, it was holding 3 of the 4 bs, but just barely, then the 4th switched to me and they got me. I have about 2500 omni on that ship, plus i bought a full set of crystals and had a warfare link drake boosting me, so i'm gonna say that their raw dps is 3500-4k for the 4 of them.

Nysler
Posted - 2010.10.04 07:18:00 - [32]
 

Razz
Originally by: Dantaeri
I tried the assault 2 with my tengu, it was holding 3 of the 4 bs, but just barely, then the 4th switched to me and they got me. I have about 2500 omni on that ship, plus i bought a full set of crystals and had a warfare link drake boosting me, so i'm gonna say that their raw dps is 3500-4k for the 4 of them.
yeah that was a mess as i was saying the whole time, probley not finished ormeant for bigger fleets lol


was fun

Gecko O'Bac
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.04 10:24:00 - [33]
 

Ofc it's meant for bigger fleets... That's really the point of this expansion :D

That said... I wonder if the AI is set to focus fire, like most traditional npcs, or to spread fire, so as to make the encounter doable by a largish but not heavily organised fleet. Personally I'd prefer the second one, though given how new eden works you will probably need a higher level of organisation just to be ready for the pirate that will eventually try to get you.

unite01
Gallente
Sturmgrenadier Inc
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.10.04 13:09:00 - [34]
 

so i ran an assault II site

should they be dropping anything ? not a single item in the 5 wreck Oo

also vanguard and assault system are supposed to be cyno jammed ? didnt stop me from lighting one and jumping in a carrier ? or i missunderstood the icons :D







doombreed52
Posted - 2010.10.04 13:43:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: doombreed52 on 04/10/2010 13:44:08
shh dont say that capital ships might be needed

carriers the ultimate logis!

Syuveil
Posted - 2010.10.04 14:45:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Syuveil on 04/10/2010 14:47:13
Originally by: DonHel
Originally by: Syuveil
i'm curious about their damage types...
any idea if they deal em/thermal like other sanshas, or all types (ie. sleepers)? Neutral

if they deal only em/therm then passive tanked minnie ships (ie. loki) should be able to handle them easily YARRRR!!


sounds good in theory... what really happens: Loki warps to 0, resist is 82% EM, 85% thermal, shield racharge 144h/s, 4 BS appear, Loki is locked... 5 seconds later loki has half shields... 12 seconds later loki is dead :(


yeah, it doesn't work...

tried it, warped in, got hit by a volley of juggernaught torpedoes, each of them dealing 3000+ damage Shocked... took a lot less than 12 seconds to take out my loki Very Happy

DonHel
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.10.04 18:08:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Syuveil
Edited by: Syuveil on 04/10/2010 14:47:13
Originally by: DonHel
Originally by: Syuveil
i'm curious about their damage types...
any idea if they deal em/thermal like other sanshas, or all types (ie. sleepers)? Neutral

if they deal only em/therm then passive tanked minnie ships (ie. loki) should be able to handle them easily YARRRR!!


sounds good in theory... what really happens: Loki warps to 0, resist is 82% EM, 85% thermal, shield racharge 144h/s, 4 BS appear, Loki is locked... 5 seconds later loki has half shields... 12 seconds later loki is dead :(


yeah, it doesn't work...

tried it, warped in, got hit by a volley of juggernaught torpedoes, each of them dealing 3000+ damage Shocked... took a lot less than 12 seconds to take out my loki Very Happy


lol, well they say as your dying time slows down briefly lol... probably was less then 12 seconds for me too :)

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.10.04 19:15:00 - [38]
 

Why don't they podkill?

I think podkilling rats would be fun Twisted Evil

Brolly
Caldari
5ER3NITY INC
Posted - 2010.10.04 23:06:00 - [39]
 

Looks like some epic spider tanking (or whatever the term is) will be the order of the day. Just had a go in various ships and none of them have lasted long.

Incursions wont be an option for solo players, which is rather nifty as there are always missions for solo PVE play.

Hopefully this will get people to work together, instead of just going alone. Such is the weirdness of online games.

The only downside I can see will be in the area of rewards. None of the rats have bounties, not had a chance to see what loot they drop yet ;). If the rewards aren't there, I fear it will be yet another botched aspect of eve.

There is a lot to risk, so by that worn out eve meme, there should be epic rewards, right?

Galtiner
Gallente
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.10.05 08:25:00 - [40]
 

Looks like these might be the specs for the new Sansha fighter bombers.
Linkage

Base stats are 110 EXP and 110 KIN dps, so 10% more than the standard fighter bombers. Same velocity and speed as the Caldari Mantis fighter bomber.

Syuveil
Posted - 2010.10.05 12:03:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Galtiner
Looks like these might be the specs for the new Sansha fighter bombers.
Linkage

Base stats are 110 EXP and 110 KIN dps, so 10% more than the standard fighter bombers. Same velocity and speed as the Caldari Mantis fighter bomber.


full stats: Linkage
picture: Linkage

any idea what's ID of the mothership? :)

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2010.10.05 22:13:00 - [42]
 

Guys, I'm utterly certain the DPS is a bug. There's no possible way CCP would intentionally make sites like this.

Galtiner
Gallente
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.10.05 23:42:00 - [43]
 

CCP said there was going to be 40 man raids/fleets/thingies and with these Sansha rats basically being Sleepers on steroids I guess they weren't kidding!

AtlantisX
Posted - 2010.10.06 00:01:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Guys, I'm utterly certain the DPS is a bug. There's no possible way CCP would intentionally make sites like this.


Incursions are designed to be done in groups. It's to force inter-player interaction to help move people into player corps where one can really start to enjoy the game.

Besides, do you really want to do them solo? Really?

Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.06 00:35:00 - [45]
 

I would like to see an NPC force that is fighting against them as well. Like, for instance, the NPC's are much weaker, and would respawn if the Sansha has not been defeated, but would allow for a few super-capital CONCORD (or even the resident ruling faction) ships to fight along side them. That would be for a pretty epic sight, especially for the newbies.

Also, they'd be all in formation, so you'll have NPC in formation, and us players in our usual blobs, but it would look sweet.

One thing, and the only way this would work is if the NPC was very low aggro, ie the Sansha would immediately target any of us over the NPC, and high defence, and low damage. Basically eye-candy, but might give us some support stats or something if they aren't blown up. Once capsuleers start showing up, perhaps their defense can be reduced, and their stats bonus goes up, so there is a reason for us to try and keep the NPC ships alive.

Just throwing ideas out Very Happy

Brolly
Caldari
5ER3NITY INC
Posted - 2010.10.06 01:10:00 - [46]
 

It would be rather nifty seeing other factions intervene, the eve universe still feels quite static and surely concord wouldn't solely depend on capsuleers.

Only downside to such interventions would be hardware limitations (so many ships on screen) and the case of wrecks. If such a situation did occur, hopefully there would be no wrecks from NPV vs NPC ships, other wise it could get visually messy.

Look forward to Thursdays mass test, hopefully there will be a lot of input from this feature as it could be a rather awesome addition to the game.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.06 01:35:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Guys, I'm utterly certain the DPS is a bug. There's no possible way CCP would intentionally make sites like this.

Ever been in a C6 wormhole? That's what this sounds like.

The 3000 damage is a bit too round to be the final number, but it should be in that general area.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2010.10.06 06:06:00 - [48]
 

Yeah, I honestly do not think people are going to be at all interested in doing 40-man impromptu raids like this, unless each rat drops several hundred million in loot. It's hard enough to get together a planned RR spidertank fleet for a C6, let alone a co-ordinated fleet of... well, any kind from the type of people who usually do Sansha incursions (and if you think I'm joking, you obviously have never been to an incursion). Compound this on the fact that the only ones I've seen so far have spawned in nullsec, it's essentially just asking for a massive mothership hotdrop gank. If CCP didn't make a mistake with the DPS, they made a mistake of an entirely different kind - in that no-one remotely sane is going to do incursions.

Seriously, when you have two battleships that can scram, web, target paint, jam, cap-dead and out-tank a carrier while doing enough DPS to destroy it (not to mention one-hitting its fighters, a feat that is literally impossible for any player ship), that's beyond a fun challenge and easily into the realm where most players will choose to go and do something else. If non-capsuleers have battleships like this, I want one as well.

So either CCP have drastically overestimated how suicidally insane their playerbase is, or they've made a serious gaffe with the DPS.

Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.10.06 06:26:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Yeah, I honestly do not think people are going to be at all interested


People won't be, but alliances will.

iudex
Posted - 2010.10.06 08:27:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Yeah, I honestly do not think people are going to be at all interested in doing 40-man impromptu raids like this, unless each rat drops several hundred million in loot. It's hard enough to get together a planned RR spidertank fleet for a C6, let alone a co-ordinated fleet of... well, any kind from the type of people who usually do Sansha incursions (and if you think I'm joking, you obviously have never been to an incursion). Compound this on the fact that the only ones I've seen so far have spawned in nullsec, it's essentially just asking for a massive mothership hotdrop gank. If CCP didn't make a mistake with the DPS, they made a mistake of an entirely different kind - in that no-one remotely sane is going to do incursions.

Seriously, when you have two battleships that can scram, web, target paint, jam, cap-dead and out-tank a carrier while doing enough DPS to destroy it (not to mention one-hitting its fighters, a feat that is literally impossible for any player ship), that's beyond a fun challenge and easily into the realm where most players will choose to go and do something else. If non-capsuleers have battleships like this, I want one as well.

So either CCP have drastically overestimated how suicidally insane their playerbase is, or they've made a serious gaffe with the DPS.


I'd agree with you if the rewards were just isk or some trashy LP. In the blog and interview CCP mentioned a Sansha Motership blueprint. Note: it's not a supercarrier blueprint, but presumably a new rare supercapital .. imagine the price of that thing or the privilege to fly one next to the dozens of ordinary supercaps, with all the prestige that comes to you and your alliance. Who will be the first one to fly, lose or kill such a ship ? Of course it depends on how it will be seeded, but CCP said it's not like someone will get everything and the rest nothing, so it seems like there will be a completely new system of reward allocation (the blog and the interviews point that way). I'm sure there will be lot's of interest in the incursions.

We don't know much about the difficulty yet, as the rooms behind the acceleration gates are empty to date. It will depend on how hard it is behind those gates. The 4 BS at the sites without acceleration gates are easy to kill solo with a t2-fitted dread, and dreads are cheap and common nowadays. Atm we don't have enough information on the real incursion sites or the rewards to say anything, other than that it has a lot of potential, let's see how CCP will implement it.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.06 12:34:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Yeah, I honestly do not think people are going to be at all interested


People won't be, but alliances will.

Considering those sites that have been tested are in 0.0, it is not hard to imagine low-sec/high-sec having easier Sansha.

The sites that are on SiSi now would be no problem for a small 0.0 alliance corp with good players to clear with no problems. And rightly the deeper sites would be an alliance effort.

Syuveil
Posted - 2010.10.06 12:55:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Yeah, I honestly do not think people are going to be at all interested


People won't be, but alliances will.

Considering those sites that have been tested are in 0.0, it is not hard to imagine low-sec/high-sec having easier Sansha.

The sites that are on SiSi now would be no problem for a small 0.0 alliance corp with good players to clear with no problems. And rightly the deeper sites would be an alliance effort.


the one I tried was in Placid high-sec

anyway the current damage are probably just some random values that will get a major overhaul after the mass test scheduled for tommorow

Rhealee
Fist of Eargon
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.06 15:35:00 - [53]
 

i find my loki chews blood and sansha to bits. i run armour tank but on many lvl 4's i never go below 20% shield.

the loki has extremely high em and thermal resists and combined with the tiny sig and fast speeds i bet it could do these sites.

i get about 700 dps outta mine with 96em resist and 88 thermal i believe. sigs about 130.

with 1 guardian for armour and cap reps not that u even need cap since mini guns dont need them but running dbbl webs and sensor boost with afterburner sure is nice so cap transfer for that. anyway a guardian and loki probly run these fairly easily.

Sazuka Kirr
Caldari
Trans-Solar Works
Posted - 2010.10.06 16:20:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Sazuka Kirr on 06/10/2010 16:21:14
Originally by: Syuveil
Originally by: Galtiner
Looks like these might be the specs for the new Sansha fighter bombers.
Linkage

Base stats are 110 EXP and 110 KIN dps, so 10% more than the standard fighter bombers. Same velocity and speed as the Caldari Mantis fighter bomber.


full stats: Linkage
picture: Linkage

any idea what's ID of the mothership? :)


2192

Jack bubu
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.10.06 16:40:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Rhealee
i find my loki chews blood and sansha to bits. i run armour tank but on many lvl 4's i never go below 20% shield.

the loki has extremely high em and thermal resists and combined with the tiny sig and fast speeds i bet it could do these sites.

i get about 700 dps outta mine with 96em resist and 88 thermal i believe. sigs about 130.

with 1 guardian for armour and cap reps not that u even need cap since mini guns dont need them but running dbbl webs and sensor boost with afterburner sure is nice so cap transfer for that. anyway a guardian and loki probly run these fairly easily.


Nope, i tried the same with a Armor Loki, got shot to bits within under a minute.
With the guardian you will maybe able to tank it untill they start popping your guardian :D

Rhealee
Fist of Eargon
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.06 17:38:00 - [56]
 

lol if they can fry a loki with natural resists that high in just 1 minute then they have some insane dps because speed tank along sheds most of the dps


Das SingendeKlingendeMuh
Posted - 2010.10.06 18:39:00 - [57]
 

I just went to PB which is under attack by the Sansha and I noticed a influence bar in the systems... it was all red... below that bar were 4 symbols:

"Cynosural Suppression"
"War Tax"
"Offensive capabilities suppression"
"Defensive capabilities suppression"

I see a massive sh*tstorm incoming.

doombreed52
Posted - 2010.10.06 18:57:00 - [58]
 

you need like 40 ppl to do one right? isn't that more then a class 6 wormhole..... i mean come on now how can you divde up the loot when everyone is fighting each other for it?

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.06 19:15:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: HeliosGal on 06/10/2010 19:16:35
this is once again designed to get ppl off their blob warfare and more into dual pve-pvp type of gameplay good move ccp

now perhaps if the mission hubs were invaded u could drop the LP and mission rewards by half, raise taxes on transactions ( jita anyone) has potenital

CCP Soundwave


C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.06 19:54:00 - [60]
 

On Singularity, about to do some of the sites with a few players right now :)


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