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Elementatia
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.09.30 13:23:00 - [1]
 

Hi !

As a user i am not interested in seeing updates-procedures of the client or the server. It is enough for me, that i know what changes are made.
So please, have some thoughts about the update-procedere from a user perspective.

- I want to play Eve, as much as it possible
- I donīt want to see or even click "update buttons"
- I donīt want to wait while downloading and extracting

My expection is
- Updates loads and extracts in the background, while i play eve
- CCP does a maintenance window
- Server Update is done - my client starts with the new version and connects to the new server eve
- the two things i see are
a) new version number
b) patch notes

- the only thing i had to do
a) play eve...no extra button pressing, no additional sparetime !


Alun Hughes
The Dark Horses.

Posted - 2010.09.30 14:02:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Alun Hughes on 30/09/2010 14:03:38
YEA CCP WHAT ARE YOU DOIN?

WINDOWS VISTA HAS BEEN OUT FOR LIKE 2 YEARS NOT COMPUTERS ARE EASY AND STUFF IF YOU CANT DO THIS THEN YOU MUST BE TERIBLLEE PROGRAMBERS LOLOLOL

I AM IN COLLEGE FOR COMPUNTERS AND NO ABOOUT THIS STUFFFF!!!!

YOU SHOULD GET MOREMEMORY AND STUFF WILLLLL WORKKS!!!1

*********BYE <--- mulitple k's are apparently baned words!


De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.09.30 14:06:00 - [3]
 

You will still have to wait once the client finds out from the server that the server version has changed.

At the very least, you'll have to wait while it patches the affected files. Granted, that might only take a few minutes, but you're still waiting.

Unless you're suggesting that it should just install a completely separate copy of eve and the launcher directs you to the appropriate version automatically, which is overkill for a game. This isn't the national defense security network we're working with here. It IS ok if it doesn't run for a few minutes while it updates.

Kalin Fisic
Posted - 2010.09.30 14:49:00 - [4]
 

Well... they could create an optional background application. Very small, low memory. That periodically checks for updates and downloads and install updates in the background when the player is not playing. Especially during expansion updates because those tend to be very large.

Also, making updates available before expansions finish deployment for those with slower connections.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.09.30 16:56:00 - [5]
 

I get it right?

You want to play with the old client while the new client i downloaded and installed?




Astroka
Posted - 2010.10.01 01:33:00 - [6]
 

I see several possibilities here.

1. You're 12.

2. You have ADD.

3. You're so incredibly impatient you can't wait less than 3 minutes for a game to update (which, by the way, since the changes apply to everyone...you MUST have the current version installed to play or else it wouldn't make sense).

4. You're using dial-up and it takes hours for an update to download.

Whatever the case, my suggestion is to deal with it. It doesn't take much time or effort to update the client, stop making such a big deal out of it.

Lemmy Kravitz
Minmatar
Rebirth.
Posted - 2010.10.01 10:37:00 - [7]
 

scary thing is I can still tell what speed connection you're going to get from a dial up modems's buzzy modem sounds.

Elementatia
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.10.03 08:41:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Venkul Mul
I get it right?

You want to play with the old client while the new client i downloaded and installed?






Yes, that is the point.

Elementatia
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.10.03 08:45:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Elementatia on 03/10/2010 08:46:11
Originally by: Astroka
I see several possibilities here.

1. You're 12.

2. You have ADD.

3. You're so incredibly impatient you can't wait less than 3 minutes for a game to update (which, by the way, since the changes apply to everyone...you MUST have the current version installed to play or else it wouldn't make sense).

4. You're using dial-up and it takes hours for an update to download.

Whatever the case, my suggestion is to deal with it. It doesn't take much time or effort to update the client, stop making such a big deal out of it.


May i suggest, you think about those messages (1-4) again.
It has nothing to do with my "dialup" speed (6MBit/sec) nor with my age. Have a look at update prcedures as they are now for Internet Explorer, Firefox and have a look how Chrome does it. Then take a step back from technology and think about the "user experience" (=excellence !?). then you will see and understand my point. BTW it is not (definetly not) urgent or important. Itīs only my speak what i would like to see in some futute and therefore, what i expect as a user and customer.

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2010.10.03 11:25:00 - [10]
 

I can see the point in a background downloader for client changes, but to actually install the update, most need you to stop what you're doing or lose data.

Bhattran
Posted - 2010.10.03 11:25:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Elementatia
Edited by: Elementatia on 03/10/2010 08:46:11
Originally by: Astroka
I see several possibilities here.

1. You're 12.

2. You have ADD.

3. You're so incredibly impatient you can't wait less than 3 minutes for a game to update (which, by the way, since the changes apply to everyone...you MUST have the current version installed to play or else it wouldn't make sense).

4. You're using dial-up and it takes hours for an update to download.

Whatever the case, my suggestion is to deal with it. It doesn't take much time or effort to update the client, stop making such a big deal out of it.


May i suggest, you think about those messages (1-4) again.
It has nothing to do with my "dialup" speed (6MBit/sec) nor with my age. Have a look at update prcedures as they are now for Internet Explorer, Firefox and have a look how Chrome does it. Then take a step back from technology and think about the "user experience" (=excellence !?). then you will see and understand my point. BTW it is not (definetly not) urgent or important. Itīs only my speak what i would like to see in some futute and therefore, what i expect as a user and customer.


You are the kind of user that makes programmers and developers make things automated without user consent or choice you don't want to do anything or can't and thus they try to cater to your laziness by forcing everyone to deal with however they decide an update/patch etc should be dealt with. The result is they don't know one thing about how the rest of us run our computers, where our DL 'folder' is, where we installed the client, how we integrate it into our programs, etc making us have to deal with all the assumptions they've made.

Now you'd think this wouldn't be a problem as they are making everything 'automated' they should/had to think about the many variables involved the problem is they don't, they too are lazy and over the years I've seen them fail to make those considerations over and over, they just assume that everything is the same across the board, everyone uses C:\windows everyone installs their games in \my documents etc.

I hate having things work in the background unless I've commanded it to do so, I'm fine with everything working for you on autopilot but leave me the choices you can't be bothered with without having to jump through a dozen hoops to snatch them back from a stupid POS program written by a lazy SOB who can't think beyond his own cubicle.



Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.10.03 11:32:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Elementatia
Originally by: Venkul Mul
I get it right?

You want to play with the old client while the new client i downloaded and installed?






Yes, that is the point.


this is impossible.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.10.03 13:12:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Originally by: Elementatia
Originally by: Venkul Mul
I get it right?

You want to play with the old client while the new client i downloaded and installed?






Yes, that is the point.


this is impossible.


I prefer the term ill-advised, but I'm willing to go with impossible too - whatever it takes to make sure this never ever happens.

Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.03 16:18:00 - [14]
 

If you have a 6mb/s line most updates should be done in a couple of minutes tops, I don't see how thats overly painful.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.04 11:11:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Elementatia
Originally by: Venkul Mul
I get it right?

You want to play with the old client while the new client i downloaded and installed?






Yes, that is the point.


OK, let's make an example of how your idea will work:
- new patch changes some ship/module characteristic (for example changing the launchers you can use in a stealth bomber from cruise missile launchers to siege launchers);
- you log in and launch in your cruise SB to kill some player ship,
- the client start to upload the patch in the background,
- you attack your target and your client happily launch the cruise missiles, at this point you can get different results.
- a) the server is updated and say "this ship can't use those weapons" and your missiles disappear when the server reply to the client with your action results, you die horribly when your target react;
- b) the server accept that your client is not upgraded and let you fire the missiles, you get a big range advantage against a a ship of the same model used by someone that has already updated the client.

Another example:
- you have undocked in your ubership with 8 missile launcher slots and damage missile bonus and small drone bay; while you are doing your stuff the client is updated and suddenly half of your launcher go off line as you ship now has only 4 launcher slots, the missile damage bonus disappear but you get a large (but almost empty) drone bay and a bonus to drone hp and damage.
You say "what the?" as your ship change under you.

There are plenty of examples like those: asteroid ores changing composition, blueprint changing materials used, and so on and on.

In a MMORPG all the players should use the same client and the same rules when interacting with the server.

If people had the possibility to use a "older" client while it is updated we would have players duplicating the older versions that allow exploits or simply that allow them to use uber set up that were changed as unbalanced.

Very Bad Idea. In no game you can have people playing with different set of rules.




Bo Tosh
Posted - 2010.10.04 14:27:00 - [16]
 

Could we try getting them working first?


 

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