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AFK Griefer
AFK Chartered System Management
Posted - 2010.10.02 15:36:00 - [301]
 

Nothing to snipe here, move along.

flummox
Posted - 2010.10.02 15:38:00 - [302]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2


I'M NOT ASKING TO MAKE MINERS/RATTERS SAFER.




yes. yes you are.

baltec1
Posted - 2010.10.02 15:45:00 - [303]
 

Edited by: baltec1 on 02/10/2010 15:46:14
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
You haven't said ANYTHING that would affect a player that is at the keyboard other than having to change spots once in a while.


I am fairly clear that I said that implant myself into a system hourd before a fight to observe and get into a bombing position. What you want would make this impossible.


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And that is a very small price to pay for being invulnerable.
It would destroy my ships usefullness. I would be of more use to a fleet in yet abother fleet battleship.

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In fact, if such a module was introduced you'd even know that you're about to be probed, since my idea includes the module being broadcast system-wide, just like when a cyno goes off. Everybody in system knows. If you're at the mall when the module is deployed, then don't you think you deserve to get popped? I think it's more than fair.
If I am at the mall them my ship poses zero threat anyway. Rat in a fleet and you are safe from a bomber.

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The only people that would be against this are the ones wanting to be able to stay in complete safety, go AFK while forcing everyone else to stay vigilant and on their toes.
as opposed to the people who want this so they can rat and mine in perfect saftey? Because that is what you are asking for.

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My idea changes that in that EVERYONE stays vigilant. You can still do pscyhological warfare, you'll just need to pay attention while you do it Wink.




So nerf me into uselessness yet still suffer the same problem you are trying to "fix" from people who go afk in a station/pos or fly around in an umprobable ship?

Napro
Caldari
Simplistic Syndicate
Cha0s Theory
Posted - 2010.10.02 15:55:00 - [304]
 

People saying to mine with an escort are down right retaarded! Mining profits are slim as it is... splitting them with an escort results in a loss since that escort could make more money ratting. Who in their right mind would take the option? Especially considering that the Cloaking griefer would never engage with you around so any chance of PvP is out the window?

End this broken game mechanic that lets people play only when they'll win and is in effect, an "I Win" Button with a time delay

AFK Griefer
AFK Chartered System Management
Posted - 2010.10.02 15:57:00 - [305]
 

Originally by: Napro
People saying to mine with an escort are down right retaarded! Mining profits are slim as it is... splitting them with an escort results in a loss since that escort could make more money ratting. Who in their right mind would take the option? Especially considering that the Cloaking griefer would never engage with you around so any chance of PvP is out the window?

End this broken game mechanic that lets people play only when they'll win and is in effect, an "I Win" Button with a time delay

Mining in gangs with escorts was the norm, your greed is your undoing.

baltec1
Posted - 2010.10.02 16:00:00 - [306]
 

Originally by: Napro
People saying to mine with an escort are down right retaarded! Mining profits are slim as it is... splitting them with an escort results in a loss since that escort could make more money ratting. Who in their right mind would take the option? Especially considering that the Cloaking griefer would never engage with you around so any chance of PvP is out the window?

End this broken game mechanic that lets people play only when they'll win and is in effect, an "I Win" Button with a time delay


The escort goes ratting in the same system and warps to the miners when they are in trouble?

Or you use an alt in a cloaked up pilgrim that would otherwise be doing nothing?

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.10.02 16:02:00 - [307]
 

Originally by: flummox
0.0 is not about Danger. it is about Risk vs. Reward. just like the other areas of the map (and real life).
Hmmm. I wonder if I could tell the gatecampers that. "Hey, I'm strolling around, not really looking for a reward, so plz no risk either."

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There is no Game Mechanic that prevents anyone from doing anything in 0.0, such as mining, ratting, station spinning, hunting, gate-camping, PoS-ing, exploring, PleXing, griefing, touch-yourselfing, etc.
Besides being docked, the only other "profession" that allows you to meta-game (ie, keep players looking for you and being on the defensive because of you while you drink at the local bar) is AFK cloaking in nullsec. Nice. Actually, I can see why you so vehemently defend this :).

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Risk vs. Reward is a term that applies to Game Mechanics. It does not include non-Game Mechanic Risk and/or Rewards; for instance: Tears. You may think that it does, but it does not.
Cloaking and heading to your local bar for hours while everyone else is forced to play defensively while you get drunk (not paying attention) is a game mechanic and needs changing so you finally face some risk. You won't like it, I know. You really don't like the idea of CCP bringing some risk to you. But it is needed. If you want to AFK cloak then do it in hi sec with the rest of us carebears, with minimal risk :)
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In certain peoples' haste to call foul on cloaks and AFK Cloakers, they are trying to put non-Game Mechanics into the equation and have failed to include their own RKvsRW variables they hold so dear.
I haven't once asked to minimize risk to anyone. I'm asking that players that get careless and stop paying attention can potentially suffer the consequences, especially those that force others to pay attention while themselseves don't have to. That's just lazy unacceptable game mechanics. I can see why a carebearing AFK cloaker like yourself would want to hold on this ability. But it still needs to go.

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i am certain that CCP is looking at this complaining and will probably do something about it (eventually). as long as they take into account ALL the topics presented here, there should be no issues.
I sure hope they do. There will be tears from you and other AFK cloakers no doubt. But it is a change for the better, bringing risk to everyone in nullsec.

The rest of your post is not even worth going over.

"Do you have proof they're cloaked? NO U DONT!!!1HAHA"

Laughing I mean c'mon, seriously.


MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.10.02 16:21:00 - [308]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 03/10/2010 12:48:30
Originally by: baltec1
I am fairly clear that I said that implant myself into a system hourd before a fight to observe and get into a bombing position. What you want would make this impossible.
C'mon man. Stop it with these ridiculous excuses. How would that make that impossible? If you're at the keyboard observing and getting into position you're at NO RISK of being caught. Unless by "getting into position" you mean going AFK for 6 hours :P. But at least be man enough to admit it and stop evading my responses. I've told you that the only inconvenience to you would be to change safes while they search for cloakers. If it's made expensive and troublesome enough to deploy this module it would only be worth to running it a couple of hours at a time, catching only AFK cloakers, not you.

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It would destroy my ships usefullness. I would be of more use to a fleet in yet abother fleet battleship.
How? If you're at the keyboard, this wouldn't change anything. You're still safe and still able to collect your recon data. Dude, the only people affected would be AFK cloakers.

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If I am at the mall them my ship poses zero threat anyway. Rat in a fleet and you are safe from a bomber.
Laughing We've gone over this already. If you're at the mall, then log out. No reason to stay logged in if you're shopping at the mall. Or CCP could do it for ya. Or they can implement my idea and blow you out of the sky Twisted Evil. But that would be too cruel and too hardcore for you, right :)?

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as opposed to the people who want this so they can rat and mine in perfect saftey? Because that is what you are asking for.
It doesn't change the risk that miners and ratters face as long as you yourself are at the keyboard. If you're not at the keyboard why should you be forcing them to be on the lookout for you and they not be able to make you be on the lookout for them? Why do you want to remain safe while making others stay on the lookout? You see how you're acting like a carebear?

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So nerf me into uselessness yet still suffer the same problem you are trying to "fix" from people who go afk in a station/pos or fly around in an umprobable ship?
You're not being nerfed unless you are an AFK cloaker. If you're an AFK cloaker then you deserve to get popped. And like I said, you're out in space making others be on the lookout for you while you yourself are at the bar, c'mon now, you deserve to get popped. You know it.

I'm not asking to have cloakers, recon activities, or anything of the like nerfed. I'm asking that if you're AFK cloaked you face some potential of losing your ship. After all, a whole system is up in guard because of the potential threat that you pose. Why shouldn't you face some potential threat yourself?


Jodi Goulsti
No Salvation
War.Pigs.
Posted - 2010.10.02 16:26:00 - [309]
 

Originally by: Napro
People saying to mine with an escort are down right retaarded! Mining profits are slim as it is... splitting them with an escort results in a loss since that escort could make more money ratting. Who in their right mind would take the option? Especially considering that the Cloaking griefer would never engage with you around so any chance of PvP is out the window?

End this broken game mechanic that lets people play only when they'll win and is in effect, an "I Win" Button with a time delay


Originally by: Tau Cabalander

I don't worry about cloaked ships until they uncloak next to me. When that happens, I find this fit works well (don't forget the drones, or to overheat the hardeners):

[Hulk, GTFO]
Damage Control II
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I

Invulnerability Field II
Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I
Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I
Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Vespa EC-600 x5


baltec1
Posted - 2010.10.02 16:29:00 - [310]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
I am fairly clear that I said that implant myself into a system hourd before a fight to observe and get into a bombing position. What you want would make this impossible.
C'mon man. Stop it with these ridiculous excuses. How would that make that impossible? If you're at the keyboard observing and getting into position you're at NO RISK of being caught. Unless by "getting into position" you mean going AFK for 6 hours :P. But at least be man enough to admit it and stop evading my responses. I've told you that the only inconvenience to you would be to change safes while they search for cloakers. If it's made expensive and troublesome enough to deploy this module it would only be worth to running it a couple of hours at a time, catching only AFK cloakers, not you.



I am there 2 hours before we attack. I am on grid and in a bombing posistion at least an hour before. The way you want this to go would mean I cannot stay on grid, in my bombing position, ready to attack at the drop of a hat and relaying exact positions of the enemy fleet reletive to my own.

We have ways of dealing with AFK cloakers, use them.

AFK Griefer
AFK Chartered System Management
Posted - 2010.10.02 16:34:00 - [311]
 

Originally by: baltec1
We have ways of dealing with AFK cloakers, use them.

I'm fine with his ignorance.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.10.02 16:39:00 - [312]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 02/10/2010 22:30:57
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
I am fairly clear that I said that implant myself into a system hourd before a fight to observe and get into a bombing position. What you want would make this impossible.
C'mon man. Stop it with these ridiculous excuses. How would that make that impossible? If you're at the keyboard observing and getting into position you're at NO RISK of being caught. Unless by "getting into position" you mean going AFK for 6 hours :P. But at least be man enough to admit it and stop evading my responses. I've told you that the only inconvenience to you would be to change safes while they search for cloakers. If it's made expensive and troublesome enough to deploy this module it would only be worth to running it a couple of hours at a time, catching only AFK cloakers, not you.



I am there 2 hours before we attack. I am on grid and in a bombing posistion at least an hour before. The way you want this to go would mean I cannot stay on grid, in my bombing position, ready to attack at the drop of a hat and relaying exact positions of the enemy fleet reletive to my own.
Baltec, how long does it take you to warp into position? I'd gander no more than 2 minutes. In the mean time if you're at the keyboard you don't get caught. Hell, just to keep you tucked in safe and with no worries of risk, make it so the module pins you down within a sphere of error between 20 and 30 km. If you're at the keyboard all you need to do is stay alert and wait for your fleet to give the command. Warp into position and do your thing. Stay alert and you'll be fine :).

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We have ways of dealing with AFK cloakers, use them.
NONE of which allows the other side to hunt them down. If they're AFK AND IN SPACE they deserve to die. If they're not AFK everything stays the same.


Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
The Black Armada
Posted - 2010.10.02 16:45:00 - [313]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

Cloaking and heading to your local bar for hours while everyone else is forced to play defensively while you get drunk (not paying attention) is a game mechanic and needs changing so you finally face some risk. You won't like it, I know. You really don't like the idea of CCP bringing some risk to you. But it is needed. If you want to AFK cloak then do it in hi sec with the rest of us carebears, with minimal risk :)



Train skillz and get a cloak for yourself. There, your not playing defensively anymore!

Just because you don't want to go out and AFK cloak in someone home system does not mean that others should not do it to you. People like you are the reason why America has too many laws! Yea I went there!

Deandra Walran
Posted - 2010.10.02 16:45:00 - [314]
 

I tend to think this "problem" could be solved if there was some sort of inactivity timer that logged people out after say an hour or so of inactivity.


baltec1
Posted - 2010.10.02 17:07:00 - [315]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

Baltec, how long does it take you to warp into position? I'd gander no more than 2 minutes. In the mean time if you're at the keyboard you don't get caught. Hell, just to keep you tucked in safe and with no worries of risk, make it so the module pins you down withing a sphere with an error of 20-30 km. If you're at the keyboard all you need to do is stay alert and wait for your fleet to give the command. Warp into position and do your thing. Stay alert and you'll be fine :).






20-30km = in range of sebo sabers which means I die.
You are also missing out the fact that at 300km and under means a good prober will get your exact position with the first scan, and a drag net of cepters with drones will make short work of finding you. If I am forced to hop spots constently I cannt effectivly give the exact positions of the fleet because I am having to dodge probes all the time and any bombing run I might have planned is not going to happen with any kind of pinpoint accuracy.

All this because you do not like the fact there is an AFK red in local dooing nothing to anyone. If you want a fix then have CCP deploy WH local system to all of eve. No more afk pilot shutting down a system.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.10.02 17:17:00 - [316]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 02/10/2010 21:22:06
Originally by: baltec1
20-30km = in range of sebo sabers which means I die.
No it doesn't. I never said anything about se-bo sabers being able to pin down cloakers Laughing. You don't hesitate in calling others carebears and wanting it safe, but look at you trembling over the fact that some risk may be added to your profession. I've been kind, but I'll let you know that I know you're bull****ting and essentially just want to keep AFK cloaking without risk.

I never said you'd have to hop spots consistently either. I was thinking once every hour or so while the module runs for a few minutes or even seconds for every hour or 2 and tracks down AFK cloakers. If you're at your keyboard at the time the module runs you easily avoid getting caught. If you're AFK then you die. Easy and fair. You obviously are an AFK cloaker and would fight this idea tooth and nail while accusing the other side of not having "the balls" and at the same time you yourself crying that "such and such would get you killed and it's not fair you face risk in 00". The hipocrisy is astounding. But, if anything I hope you at least realized this much.

You can relax. AFK cloakers can continue to collect kills/tears without any risk to themselves. You're fine for the moment :). Everything that needed saying has been said, and there's nothing more to add.


flummox
Posted - 2010.10.03 01:06:00 - [317]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: flummox
0.0 is not about Danger. it is about Risk vs. Reward. just like the other areas of the map (and real life).
Hmmm. I wonder if I could tell the gatecampers that. "Hey, I'm strolling around, not really looking for a reward, so plz no risk either."

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There is no Game Mechanic that prevents anyone from doing anything in 0.0, such as mining, ratting, station spinning, hunting, gate-camping, PoS-ing, exploring, PleXing, griefing, touch-yourselfing, etc.
Besides being docked, the only other "profession" that allows you to meta-game (ie, keep players looking for you and being on the defensive because of you while you drink at the local bar) is AFK cloaking in nullsec. Nice. Actually, I can see why you so vehemently defend this :).

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Risk vs. Reward is a term that applies to Game Mechanics. It does not include non-Game Mechanic Risk and/or Rewards; for instance: Tears. You may think that it does, but it does not.
Cloaking and heading to your local bar for hours while everyone else is forced to play defensively while you get drunk (not paying attention) is a game mechanic and needs changing so you finally face some risk. You won't like it, I know. You really don't like the idea of CCP bringing some risk to you. But it is needed. If you want to AFK cloak then do it in hi sec with the rest of us carebears, with minimal risk :)
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In certain peoples' haste to call foul on cloaks and AFK Cloakers, they are trying to put non-Game Mechanics into the equation and have failed to include their own RKvsRW variables they hold so dear.
I haven't once asked to minimize risk to anyone. I'm asking that players that get careless and stop paying attention can potentially suffer the consequences, especially those that force others to pay attention while themselseves don't have to. That's just lazy unacceptable game mechanics. I can see why a carebearing AFK cloaker like yourself would want to hold on this ability. But it still needs to go.

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i am certain that CCP is looking at this complaining and will probably do something about it (eventually). as long as they take into account ALL the topics presented here, there should be no issues.
I sure hope they do. There will be tears from you and other AFK cloakers no doubt. But it is a change for the better, bringing risk to everyone in nullsec.

The rest of your post is not even worth going over.

"Do you have proof they're cloaked? NO U DONT!!!1HAHA"

Laughing I mean c'mon, seriously.




stop giving your witty one-liner style answers to sections of posts. come up with a concise retort instead picking apart peoples' thoughts. my post was meant to be read as a whole. not to be nitpicked by a whiner like yourself.

my original statement still stands: Cloak balances itself.

you have failed to add any form of constructive insight to this thread or this debate.

60% for your posting tactics. that's a D- sir...

the only thing that will make me cry is your continued account payment(s).

just for you, i'm making a program to log myself in my safe spot... UNCLOAKED... periodically througout the day in your system.

**** it. i'll be in an egg mother ****er!

flummox
Posted - 2010.10.03 01:14:00 - [318]
 

Originally by: Deandra Walran
I tend to think this "problem" could be solved if there was some sort of inactivity timer that logged people out after say an hour or so of inactivity.




nope. mouse moving macros and such. and before anyone gets stupid about a EULA or somesuch, i'll train my frickin' cat to move my mouse once an hour... or build one of those Pee-Wee Herman machines to move my mouse 1/420th of an inch every few minutes...

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2010.10.03 01:30:00 - [319]
 

martixskye got touched in a bad way at Gate Camp and now he wants all the bad players (who try to hurt other players) to go away.

It's kind of funny.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2010.10.03 01:33:00 - [320]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
You don't hesitate in calling others carebears and wanting it safe, but look at you trembling over the fact that some risk may be added to your profession.



Dear Matrixskye,

There already is plenty of risk operating a lone stealth ship behind enemy lines in nullsec.


Signed,

Emperor Cheney

flummox
Posted - 2010.10.03 01:55:00 - [321]
 

Edited by: flummox on 03/10/2010 01:57:39
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
You don't hesitate in calling others carebears and wanting it safe, but look at you trembling over the fact that some risk may be added to your profession.



Dear Matrixskye,

There already is plenty of risk operating a lone stealth ship behind enemy lines in nullsec.


Signed,

Emperor Cheney


yes.

as i jumped into LXQ2-T i was met with a vision of a half dozen or so ships and three varying sized warp blobs. warped to the sun and then off to a "safe spot" and proceded to scan around.

i see a guy named Lord Al-something-or-other appear on the grid in an egg.

his trek into 0.0, or out of, was unsuccesful. proving that just getting into and out of 0.0 can be a problem. one of the balances to the game.

i think you guys never leaving the one system you farm in is just as lame as you think me going to the mall (who goes to the mall anymore) and cloaking.

i agree with Emperor Cheney. just don't shoot my face off!

Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2010.10.03 05:10:00 - [322]
 

Ordinarily, I don't respond to posts that complain about game mechanics. This is because of the template response that can be given to anyone complaining ("Yes, it's a game mechanic. In order to play eve, learn said mechanic and GTFO my threads"). This issue is one that has caused quite a bit of trouble over the years and after this latest long list of crap responses, crying, trolling, flaming, etc... I will give my .02 ISK.

In the beginning, there was CCP. CCP created a bunch of internet spaceships for us to pew pew in. One day, CCP thought that it would be super cool if a combat ship could cloak. All of Eve flew behind to support the idea and so were born stealth bombers. (please correct/add to any of my history lessons, I've been playing a long time and the years are starting to blend a little.)

Null sec was a great and massive space where many systems could be traversed and only a single pilot could be found. Stealth pilots began to see utility in this new technology. Eve's pilots spread more and soon, no system could be travelled without finding someone in your local. Wormhole space then became place to catch the overflow of players wanting more space to themselves. And after the forum wars of the many numerous patches concerning cloaking, CCP deemed it necessary for cloaked pilots to be able to carry on with their business according to the current rules we are all familiar with today.

These ‘AFK cloakers’ are other pilots doing the EXACT (let me stress the importance of this word: EXACT) same thing you are attempting to do. Playing Eve has never been about relying on developers to make the game easy for you to make money or to kill people. It is, in fact, the job of the developers and game designers to make this particular game as challenging as possible. The intention is that you do not sink many more dollars into the game than some other player just to crown yourself master of eve. It, similarly, is not the intention that the ‘evil’ ‘AFK cloakers’ get easy kills on your ill-invested real world dollars.

The fact that you are in null sec, complaining about interactions with other players is appalling. In no other MMO that I am aware of, can someone interact on the level that EVE allows. Your precious minerals may bring you money through the market, but they can also be used to create the largest ships in the game or feed the ammo for their weapons. Crashing entire markets or starting them are made possible by those minerals you mine. The uses are endless. Your apparently narrow minded approach to carebearing in such an environment makes me want to VOMIT. (it’s not about how many clients can fit on your quad-core HT/16Gb RAM/SLI system.)

Tl;dr
Get your **** together, stop crying, do CCP the favor of at least thinking about all of the consequences of your proposed change, OR make it work like every other pilot in eve does today; starting with the NUMEROUS suggestions in this overly long forum thread would be advisable.

If you don’t like the mechanics that the creators of our world that we all know and love have bestowed upon us, I STRONGLY encourage you to find another game, delete your character(s) (kill yourself), and find something that doesn’t stretch your poor brain to the point that you have to come onto the forums with INCOMPLETE arguments for the changing of a mechanic that has taken years to refine.

If I’m completely off-base here, please tell me. Seeing threads this long on something this simple seems sad to me. Tell me why I should not be sad.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.10.03 07:51:00 - [323]
 

Christ are people still biting on Matrix's "zero risk" troll?

The Snatch
Posted - 2010.10.03 11:50:00 - [324]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2


Why are you against this idea?




Because I implant myself in target systems hours before an op so I do not run into bubbles.
That's fine. Implant yourself in the system. If you're planning to go AFK you can always log out, nothing impedes you from doing that. If you're going to be at the keyboard then you won't get caught. It's that simple.
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Because ratters used cloaks in systems with no pos or station to dock at.
My idea would affect ANY type of AFK cloaker only, whether it be a PVPer, missioner, ratter. If you're AFK and in space you CAN be caught. However, if you are at the keyboard you'll still have nothing to fear while you're cloaked. You can stalk, you can do your recon, you can do whatever, as long as you are at the keyboard. For example, as long as you change safes once in a while you'll still be OK. If you're not paying attention, then you die a horrible death as you should anyway in 00.
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Because I am used to keep an eye on the enemy fleet for hours at a time. Because I need time to get into bombing position.
Again, if you're at the keyboard you can continue doing these things. My idea would only affect those that are AFK. Getting into position shouldn't take you 2 days of AFK play Wink.

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I can go on but as you can see nerfing the cloak will reduce one of my favorate ships to near uselessness for no reason at all other than to satify the lazy. There are countermeasures already, its just people like yourself refuse to use them and instead insist it is not fair.
You haven't said ANYTHING that would affect a player that is at the keyboard other than having to change spots once in a while. And that is a very small price to pay for being invulnerable. In fact, if such a module was introduced you'd even know that you're about to be probed, since my idea includes the module being broadcast system-wide, just like when a cyno goes off. Everybody in system knows. If you're at the mall when the module is deployed, then don't you think you deserve to get popped? I think it's more than fair.

The only people that would be against this are the ones wanting to be able to stay in complete safety, go AFK while forcing everyone else to stay vigilant and on their toes.

My idea changes that in that EVERYONE stays vigilant. You can still do pscyhological warfare, you'll just need to pay attention while you do it Wink.




I totaly agree with this.

Vurshachka
Posted - 2010.10.03 12:59:00 - [325]
 

Totally agree, that's why mining chars are becoming cheaper and cheaper @ character bazaar

Acer Lorenz
Posted - 2010.10.03 13:35:00 - [326]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
And you're avoiding the question. The ratters are in a well-protected fleet, the miners are in a well-protected fleet as they should be. What is the cloaker having to sacrifice to stay alive? What predator is hunting him with even a slim chance of catching him? Who is HE worried will hunt him down if he's not paying attention while he watches pron? Rolling Eyes.




The attacker cannot attack you without getting killed or driven off? What exactly are the well protected miners/ratters losing with him in local unable to do anything?

The answer we are looking at is nothing at all while the AFK cloaker is not getting anything done. So in the end the one who loses out is the guy who is AFK as they get nothing from being there.

I think what he means is that the miner sacrifices earnings and having to beef up security in order to stay alive. The cloaker seems to sacrifice nothing other than a lost opportunity for a kill.


DNSBlacks Arazu
Posted - 2010.10.03 15:27:00 - [327]
 

I say do away with afk defense fleets. How can we tell if we want to attact your system if we don't know if you are afk in station, afk in a pos, or just waiting to touch my monkey.

You miss the point, if they are afk then they can't hurt you. They aren't doing anything. Get over it.

While you are at it, do away with spam in Jita from afk market runners.


Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.03 15:39:00 - [328]
 

Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 03/10/2010 15:40:31
Now, this is a story all about how
My Sov got flipped-turned upside down
And I liked to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the Carebear of a system called Dodixie

In west Paragon Soul born and raised
In the Farm System is where I spent most of my days
Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool
Mining and Ratting outside of the POS
When a couple of Toons
Who weren't really AFK
Started making trouble in my belt
I got in one little fight and my CEO got scared
She said 'You're Kicked' with your Alt to carebear in Dodixie'

I begged and pleaded with her day after day
But she packed my Jump Freighter and send me on my way
She gave me a Noobship and then she gave me my Trit.
I put my (EVE has no Sound) on and said, 'I might as well kick it'.

First class, yo this is bad
Drinking Quafe out of a champagne glass.
Is this what the people of Dodixie Living like?
Hmmmmm this might be alright.
I whistled for a Shuttle and when it came near
The license plate said Gank and it had dice in the mirror
If anything I can say this Shuttle is rare
But I thought 'Now forget it' - 'Yo homes to Dodixie'

I pulled up to the Station about 7 or 8
And I yelled to the Pilot 'Yo homes smell ya later'
I looked at my kingdom
I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the Carebear of Dodixie

Wait till they learn of Suddenly Ninja's Twisted Evil

Dark Star01
Posted - 2010.10.03 16:01:00 - [329]
 

at least some ccp response on this matter lol

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1393688

kasiloth
Posted - 2010.10.03 16:02:00 - [330]
 

Alara u do a lot of noice without saying anything at all. u better be cloaked and afk :P


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