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kasiloth
Posted - 2010.09.29 22:13:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: kasiloth on 03/10/2010 18:57:42
First of all i appologize to u for my English but if i say what i want to say in my language nobody could understand me.

What i want to say here is that the tactic of an enemy to send a stealth bomber in a system staying there afk for hrs preventing local miners or raters to work is becoming a curse with a high risk to ruin the entire game. Hoppless miners have to warp back to their pos in system to protect their ships and stay there watching despareted at the local till red or neut will go. This tactic drops the developement indices of the system rapidly make it easier for the enemy to conquer it. The defenders can do absolutely nothing to avoid this situation that is realy frustrated. They cannot track down the stealth bomber and kill him. And also they dont know if he is afk or not to send out baits to uncover him. It is a silly and sick situation.

I can understand that stealth bombers are there to be used. But not that way. I can understand their right to jump into a system and kill as many macks or hulks they can kill. But to stay afk cloaked for hrs into a system that is another thing.It is not fair at all for the owner of the stealth bomber to use another alt of his to enjoy the game whilist the rest of the miners players sitting for hrs or maybe for days in their pos doing absolutely nothing.

CCp must do something on that before players start leaving the game for good.

I dont like to complain without a proposal, i would suggest CCp to deactivate cloacking device after a period of inactivity of lets say 30-60 min. So defenders could scan and chase the intruder.

If anyone of u has the same problem and has something better to propose please do it here.

Thank you

*Kasiloth is an alt of mine for obvious reasons




Barakkus
Posted - 2010.09.29 22:22:00 - [2]
 

Make cloaks take cap to run, make it so that to keep up with the cloak for more than 10 minutes of cloaking requires a really stupid fit.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.09.29 22:23:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: kasiloth
I can understand that stealth bombers are there to be used. But not that way.
Really? Sounds like exactly the right way to use a stealth bomberÖ
Quote:
CCp must do something on that before players start leaving the game for good.
So why would they change anything? What do you have that suggest that people would start doing this?

Lord XSiV
Amarr
Kodar Innovations
Posted - 2010.09.29 22:26:00 - [4]
 

You asked for a better proposal, so here is one:

Quit the game - I don't need your stuff so give it to some other person more deserving of you.

Alternatively, you can adapt.

CCP creates the sandbox, you provide the content and the rest of us get great lulz for smacking carebears who think it is their right to play Eve likes it's farmville....

And no, the subscriber base won't ever decline because of this. Carebears have notoriously threatened to quit over the years and as has been proven time and time again, their threats are complete fail.


Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2010.09.29 22:29:00 - [5]
 

Area and supply denial is the one of the original purposes of submarine warfare.

The Snatch
Posted - 2010.09.29 22:34:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: The Snatch on 29/09/2010 22:35:59
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: kasiloth
I can understand that stealth bombers are there to be used. But not that way.
Really? Sounds like exactly the right way to use a stealth bomberÖ
Quote:
CCp must do something on that before players start leaving the game for good.
So why would they change anything? What do you have that suggest that people would start doing this?


I thought sb are for attack not to take a nap afk in a system. If a stealth bomber isnt able to get an easy kill then he better leave the system or fly a mackinaw.

Nika Dekaia
Posted - 2010.09.29 22:37:00 - [7]
 

So the enemy sends one military unit into a farming system to scare away the peasants so they can not make ISK for their lord. The peasanst are too weak to defend themselves and the lord does not care about them.

Sounds like a very economic use of military resources in my book.

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The defenders can do absolutely nothing to avoid this situation
That's a filthy lie.

kasiloth
Posted - 2010.09.29 22:45:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Lord XSiV
You asked for a better proposal, so here is one:

Quit the game - I don't need your stuff so give it to some other person more deserving of you.

Alternatively, you can adapt.

CCP creates the sandbox, you provide the content and the rest of us get great lulz for smacking carebears who think it is their right to play Eve likes it's farmville....

And no, the subscriber base won't ever decline because of this. Carebears have notoriously threatened to quit over the years and as has been proven time and time again, their threats are complete fail.




Nice try man but im not a carebear. I live in o.o space far more than u been able to play this game. I got a ten accounts mining fleet and i have lost alot of ships by red attacks. I can copy with that. But having an idiot afk and cloaked in system evry day for hrs thats another thing to deal with. I cant change the situation a bit and ofc i cant change corps or Alliance because of this, every day. Propably u havent faced a situation like this yet cause if u had u should come with a better proposal

kasiloth
Posted - 2010.09.29 22:51:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Nika Dekaia
So the enemy sends one military unit into a farming system to scare away the peasants so they can not make ISK for their lord. The peasanst are too weak to defend themselves and the lord does not care about them.

Sounds like a very economic use of military resources in my book.

Quote:
The defenders can do absolutely nothing to avoid this situation
That's a filthy lie.


How supposed u will solve a situation like this? which way the defenders can truck down a cloaked afk enemy and kill him in their system ? do u have any suggestions instead of critisize it?

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2010.09.29 22:55:00 - [10]
 

How about mining with escorts?

C.


ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2010.09.29 22:57:00 - [11]
 

Problem: You are afraid that your mining operation will be soloed by ONE fragile frigate.

Solution: Have a fast-locking, long range, sniper ship sitting in the middle of the mining operation. If the SB pilot is smart, he/she will see the sebo graphics coming off the ship and leave you alone.

Originally by: kasiloth

Nice try man but im not a carebear. I live in o.o space far more than u been able to play this game. I got a ten accounts mining fleet and i have lost alot of ships by red attacks. I can copy with that. But having an idiot afk and cloaked in system evry day for hrs thats another thing to deal with. I cant change the situation a bit and ofc i cant change corps or Alliance because of this, every day. Propably u havent faced a situation like this yet cause if u had u should come with a better proposal



Newflash: having more accounts than all of us combined does not make you a better player and has no bearing to the "problem" you have outlined to us.
In fact, I would say that it weakens you as a player since, if you are having trouble with one account, you can simply log on to a different one and avoid a problem rather than adapt to it.

0.0 is not safe and combat (be it direct or indirect) is never fair. Deal with it.

Alun Hughes
The Dark Horses.
Posted - 2010.09.29 22:57:00 - [12]
 

I know this is going to be confusing..but here goes

Stealth bombers are PVP ships rite? They want to PVP your hulks?
Try having a small response fleet of fast ships and have your miners in fleet.
If you hulk is attacked you could warp said small gang to the victim before the die.
Itís called defending yourself. Instead of wanting the game to change so you donít have to

kasiloth
Posted - 2010.09.29 22:59:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Area and supply denial is the one of the original purposes of submarine warfare.

Yeah sure. but submarines are active not afk. And what they expect to kill when all ships are in pos? would u get out a ship of urs for mining when u see a red in local? So what is the point of submarine warfare?
Submarine warfare has a meaning when they attack and destroy. If they intend to make a fear out of their presense and to base on that by sitting invisible in depth then ccp must give us some better scanners.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.09.29 23:00:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 29/09/2010 23:04:43
What's funny is they probably think you use macros because you don't speak english fluently, and feel they're helping the community by harassing you.

Bloody morons.

kasiloth
Posted - 2010.09.29 23:03:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Alun Hughes
I know this is going to be confusing..but here goes

Stealth bombers are PVP ships rite? They want to PVP your hulks?
Try having a small response fleet of fast ships and have your miners in fleet.
If you hulk is attacked you could warp said small gang to the victim before the die.
Itís called defending yourself. Instead of wanting the game to change so you donít have to



We did it but it didnt work. Cause the sb was afk. and u cannot have a response fleet watching at u all the day. It doesnt happen for a couple of hrs. It does for hrs every day.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2010.09.29 23:05:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: kasiloth

Yeah sure. but submarines are active not afk. And what they expect to kill when all ships are in pos? would u get out a ship of urs for mining when u see a red in local? So what is the point of submarine warfare?
Submarine warfare has a meaning when they attack and destroy. If they intend to make a fear out of their presense and to base on that by sitting invisible in depth then ccp must give us some better scanners.


Bear in mind that in RL submarine warfare there is no "instant" local to spot your enemies with... so you will never know if a sub is there or not. All you have is the thought that it MIGHT be there and it MIGHT attack and you MIGHT not be able to do anything about it.

This is why high-value warships and supply ships do not move alone and have escorts.

kasiloth
Posted - 2010.09.29 23:07:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 29/09/2010 23:04:43
What's funny is they probably think you use macros because you don't speak english fluently, and feel they're helping the community by harassing you.

Bloody morons.


Yeah.. yeah. Thank you man. You are very kind. I speak your languge even not so perfectly as u do, but i would like seeing u speaking my language . IMAO

Sully Tude
Posted - 2010.09.29 23:09:00 - [18]
 

CCP, please just make a whole section for "afk cloaker whines," so the rest of us can promptly ignore it.

plzkthx

Matalino
Posted - 2010.09.29 23:11:00 - [19]
 

If the SB pilot is AFK, how is he supposed to stop you from mining?

kasiloth
Posted - 2010.09.29 23:22:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Matalino
If the SB pilot is AFK, how is he supposed to stop you from mining?


you cant say when he is afk or not and take the risk, but could someone be cloaked for hrs and for days in a system,without be afk for time to time?

El Liptonez
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2010.09.29 23:31:00 - [21]
 

I guess the bomber can tank 50 Warriors too?

And one bomb will kill all your hulks?

cragz
Posted - 2010.09.29 23:32:00 - [22]
 

Yo,

What up with getting a friend, corpie or even an alt char in a cloaked drake or something to sit with you at the belt ?.

Kezzle
Posted - 2010.09.29 23:35:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: kasiloth
Originally by: Matalino
If the SB pilot is AFK, how is he supposed to stop you from mining?


you cant say when he is afk or not and take the risk, but could someone be cloaked for hrs and for days in a system,without be afk for time to time?


So you can mine all the time, but not protect yourselves all the time. Are you some kind of macro-mining sock puppet?

If you can't source the combat talent in your own corp, hire some. I'm sure there are merc outfits out there who can provide 24 hour coverage against this type of threat. For a price.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.09.29 23:36:00 - [24]
 

Man up, get some balls, stop whining and IGNORE THE GUY unless he attacks you.
You're basically complaining your "early warning system" that is called "LOCAL" is not working properly ?
TOUGH LUCK, BUBBA, A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT IT GONE FOR GOOD ! Local, that is.
In which case, you would have the "imgwtfbbq AFK cloaker alert maybe or waaah waaah I wanna go home" syndrome in an otherwise empty system too.

When he doesn't attack you, you have no reason to be worried about him. When he attacks you, he's not AFK.
Being worried about anything else is just plain ole' simple cowardice. We don't have a cure for that.

Jennifer Drama
Posted - 2010.09.29 23:39:00 - [25]
 

Or maybe you could go to the system next door? Rolling Eyes

If he follows, then he's not AFK and doing exactly what's intended in this game. Set up a small camp on the other side to catch him when he does.

If he doesn't, well the answer is self explanatory, continue on with your activities.

Or, get an alt or friend to sit in the belt with you (you did say you have defenders right?)

Sounds more like you want to AFK mine in dangerous space without a care in the world(in other words, not actually play the game but still make ISK).

In short, you're a tosser.

HTFU.

Zan Shiro
Posted - 2010.09.29 23:40:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 29/09/2010 23:04:43
What's funny is they probably think you use macros because you don't speak english fluently, and feel they're helping the community by harassing you.

Bloody morons.


No...in 0.0 they fight wars at many levels. One is economic. Cloakies shut down ratting and mining operations (if you let them). Player makes no money to keep up fleet losses, corp gets no tax money from refine tax and bounties. This game is not like pvp in warhammer and wow. Ship blows up its gone (and your killers are scooping up your loot). Insurance may cover most of the ship, get up to bs level and looking at 45 mill alone just for new rigs, add on moar isk for modules. Hurt the abiltity of the enemy to buy new ships to come back to the fight...makes battles and war in time much easier to win.


Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.09.29 23:52:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: kasiloth

Nice try man but im not a carebear. I got a ten accounts mining fleet and i have lost alot of ships by red attacks. I can copy with that. But having an idiot afk and cloaked in system evry day for hrs thats another thing to deal with.

Hmmm... Me thinks there is a Lie up there!

I am gonna with care bear. I you want to mine in a system do it in a Coveter. If you want to rat do it in a nice cheap drake with a point!

Now stop whinning on the Forums and bait that thing or something!


Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.09.30 00:04:00 - [28]
 

If these big serious alliances you speak of want to disrupt a system they should have to put some actual effort into it.

The only way to counter this behavior is to pay someone to watch the mining op for hours on end, when even the miners themselves don't stare at the beams every second. It's like many things in this game: far too easy to do to someone, and far too costly to counter.

It's essentially like being stalked. You know they're around somewhere, waiting, maybe watching you at that very moment. Or maybe they never check the belts, and it's all in your head. But are you going to risk taking the chance? No one should have to deal with that crap 24/7, and if technology advanced in this game like it does in RL people would have developed something to counter it by now.

For the record i've never had to deal with someone always being cloaked in a 0.0 system i'm trying to mine in, simply because i don't mine in 0.0, but i can still see how lame it is to have such a thing in a game.

Forluhn
Amarr
Enlightened Industries
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
Posted - 2010.09.30 00:05:00 - [29]
 

I've always thought that Carriers should be able to fit a EMP type module that can decloak and disable electronics for like 30 seconds anything within say 10 Au's or something like that.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.09.30 00:08:00 - [30]
 

I think perfect stealth is silly. I would love to see some form of System improvement that could be placed with the right sov level that allows combat probes a slim chance of detection. The issue really isn't mining or not, it is perfect stealth. In this way, you could force alliances to invest in their mineral hubs, etc.

just my 2 isk


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