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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2010.09.28 00:55:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Shivasie
Is the new salvage ship going to be wrapped up with the fall expansion or with this patch?

Thanks


With expansion. When did you saw a new line of ships introduced without much ranting in news feeds?

Lenid Kalkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.09.28 01:37:00 - [32]
 

Based on the patch notes it looks like you still have not been able to fix the ihub reinforce timers that shift after down time. Can we get an et on when that will be fixed? It is starting to get very annoying.

And yes, i've bug reported it several times.

Lolmer
Amarr
Merciless Reckoning
Executive Solution
Posted - 2010.09.28 02:05:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Plastician
Originally by: PC l0adletter
Is it just me, or is PCU and activity getting lower and lower? http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility


It's you. The 6 month graph seems to be taking data from 2007 and the past year graph is read backwards (most recent on the left) and all the other graphs are keeping steady, apart from the past 3 months, which dropped a bit in June but is now steady.


All of the graphs go right (oldest) to left (newest), not just the past year graph.

Palovana
Caldari
Inner Fire Inc.
Posted - 2010.09.28 02:06:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Br41n
Quote:
The backend of the EVE User Interface has been refactored to allow for faster development and ease of programming. Because of this some UI settings, such as stacked windows, may not be preserved after the patching process.


As if the UI preserves these settings now lol

But does this mean we actually might get a scalable UI? Very Happy


If Tyrannis 1.1 is similar to the build that was on Sisi for mass testing this past Saturday, the only window weirdness I noticed was my stacked/pinned chat window group came up as several individual cascaded windows every time I started the client. Other than that, I didn't notice any issues (unless you want to count my GTS250 FPS dropping as low as 5 from 200+ ships' worth of sensor booster effects).

Was annoying to re-stack and re-pin those windows every time though, but not game-breaking. Current TQ client doesn't screw up window sizing/positioning for me.

I also keep hangar items and ships windows stacked but it didn't break those, maybe because I don't keep them pinned?

Disclaimer: I'm a wino.

Motty 007
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2010.09.28 04:06:00 - [35]
 

I would gladly accept the flickering graphics on the mac in exchange for fixing the random client crashes when jumping through gates.

Try explaining to an eve widow that the pc thats hidden under the stairs has to come out cos they cannot program the mac client correctly, nah i couldnt either.

Aside all the complaints - still THE game to play after all this time.

Keep it up CCP

Arien Omnicron
Gallente
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.09.28 05:00:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Arien Omnicron
Step1: deposit 2-grand into my bank account.
Step2: Profit
No ???-step needed. You don't even need half that to get something with a proper (aka non-intel) graphics card.

Just to shed some light and so i can let my mind free of this
check this out. this is why Step2: ?? is required.
no desktop
$$ is required
Comp Specs
Thank you and goodnight

Missus Business
Posted - 2010.09.28 05:24:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Missus Business on 28/09/2010 05:28:48

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.09.28 07:31:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Arien Omnicron
Just to shed some light and so i can let my mind free of this
check this out. this is why Step2: ?? is required.
no desktop
$$ is required
Comp Specs
Thank you and goodnight
The point is: you don't need two grand for that if that's how much you're asking, you've already skipped ahead to the profit step, so no ??? is needed.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2010.09.28 12:06:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Arien Omnicron
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Arien Omnicron
Step1: deposit 2-grand into my bank account.
Step2: Profit
No ???-step needed. You don't even need half that to get something with a proper (aka non-intel) graphics card.

Just to shed some light and so i can let my mind free of this
check this out. this is why Step2: ?? is required.
no desktop
$$ is required
Comp Specs
Thank you and goodnight
Save up 100 and get an ATI 5770. No need for two grand.

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2010.09.28 14:22:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Arien Omnicron
Just to shed some light and so i can let my mind free of this
check this out. this is why Step2: ?? is required.
no desktop
$$ is required
Comp Specs
Thank you and goodnight
The point is: you don't need two grand for that if that's how much you're asking, you've already skipped ahead to the profit step, so no ??? is needed.


He's rocking a laptop. An HP at that. He can't just "get a new video card" but needs to buy a whole new computer to not have an intel graphics chip. That said, $2000 is outrageous. My $400 netbook didn't come with the dreaded intel GPU and runs Eve well in 90% of the situations (fleet fights bring it to a crawl though).

Leonard Delmordaine
Posted - 2010.09.28 17:34:00 - [41]
 

fix lag lets go ccp.

Hori To
Masuat'aa Matari
Posted - 2010.09.28 21:17:00 - [42]
 

my asus laptop runs eve perfectly

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.09.28 21:53:00 - [43]
 

A bit underwhelmed by this patch. I wonder if the UI tweaks will fix the infernal chat issue that mashes up sequential chat lines so that they stack on top of one another and can only be fixed by re-sizing the chat window... or the issue where nested (and pinned) chat windows still become un-nested when made active (clicked) during a session change such as jumping a gate.

Next question: what 'features' will CCP introduce with Tyrannis 1.1? I know that CCP's crack regression testing team is diligently slaving away to ensure that currently working things do not break, but... Rolling Eyes

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2010.09.28 23:23:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
expected to be completed at 13:40 UTC.


That's awfully precise, I predict whines will start at 13:41.

Anyway, if you are going to be that precise, you could at least have made the expected completion time 13:37. Surely it's possible to shave off 3 minutes somewhere?
Very Happy

I put in my multi-day skills for the patch.

Taindril Arneanon
Posted - 2010.09.29 12:45:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Tippia
"Users applying skill points directly to a skill would, in rare cases, show that two points were needed for next level when in fact only one point was needed. This helpful calculation has now been made more accurate."



Maybe I have some problems with my english. But I do not understand to which situation this fix is referring.
Can someone explain in a clearer way what's the subject of this fix and how it works?
Thank you.

Kara Balveda
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2010.09.29 15:30:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Salyan
Originally by: Arien Omnicron
Please work with Intel to get this fixed.


Please work with anyone but Intel to get a decent graphics card.


Laptop owners not always have that possibility. I'd really appreciate if I did not have to live with a crashing client because I cannot use NVidia graphics.

Mamba Lev
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.09.29 15:32:00 - [47]
 

How about fixing the authentication server?

Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar
Kiroshi Group
Posted - 2010.09.29 16:22:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Bomberlocks
I put in my multi-day skills for the patch.


Oh crap I just realized my next skill finishes exactly 24 hrs after the patch is in progress. I'm thinking I better queue up a different one before Thur morning..

Vaneshi SnowCrash
Posted - 2010.09.29 16:50:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: lol internets

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a 8600/300 w/4 Gigs of RAM)

Impressive... most impressive. The 8600/300 maxing out at around 1GB RAM and being a G3 grade processor... I think you might have the model number wrong :)


Originally by: lol internets


Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.


The problem isn't EVE (obviously) and it isn't OS X, which is surprisingly stable. The blame for the mac clients singular failure to behave itself lies squarely at the feet of Transgamming and their Cider wrapper. It is crap. It's internal X11 server is slow, broken and frankly old. It hates sharing the screen with anything as you've discovered and to cap it all off it somehow seems to eat CPU for all three meals when realistically it shouldn't be. To cap it all off I'm pretty certain the version of Cider used in EVE is ancient compared to newer releases (I'm sure Spore had a higher version number than EVE). I've experimented with X11.app & WINE and had vastly improved performance and a happier Mac (not as hot, doesn't mind screen sharing with other apps) and it doesn't crash quite as often as the Cider port. Still crashes though but I can at least jump gates at will.

It's also true that Mac's are deficient when it comes to games. The 9400M in my machine performs way better in Windows than it does in OS X, running the same game (Portal as it happens). On the plus side Valve releasing Mac games has shown these deficiencies and Apple do seem to be working to resolve/update their end of it. So buried somewhere in the kext's and OpenGL libraries is a massive performance hole, sucks but hey... it'll be fixed sooner or later (probably 10.7 knowing Apple).

As to why I brought an Apple and would buy another in a heartbeat? Simple. In a world where salesmen will happily flog painted plastic as mag alloy, hinges break en mass and is classed as 'wear and tear' to avoid fixing it and all other sorts of shenanigans I found the styling of the MBP, the quality of its construction, weight (bad back don't like carting around 'gaming laptops' any more) and its performance to be tempting. I have yet to find my MBP to be not what it was advertised as being.... which having come from Dell is quite refreshing :)

And keep in mind... these days Mac's use Intel processors. I can run Windows just as well as your C2D at home can. So can the Mac at your freelance gig.

Selene Starsong
Caldari
Debitum Naturae
Posted - 2010.09.29 17:48:00 - [50]
 

so when is the feature released that is on singularity, that lets you resize the eve client window to a costum size to fit it to two monitors? i love it and i want it now :P

HoshinoRuri
Playboy Enterprises
Posted - 2010.09.29 19:44:00 - [51]
 

Also when will there be improvements to cider or just give us a nice custom wine script because the cpu usage on a mac compared to windows running the eve client is ridiculous.
Also please improve the UI for PI i like that you are fixing the crashes on the mac but can you please fix the multiple memory leaks that seem to crash my osx intel machine at the oddest times with no rhyme or reason.

Thula Wyrd
Posted - 2010.09.29 19:55:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Patch notes are available for review.


Uh oh! Backend? Very good!

I know that will be flawless but...

don't you agree that it is a marvelous time to start training Gallente battleship V? Wink

Itangast Da'Dragon
Posted - 2010.09.29 20:07:00 - [53]
 

Quote:

Localization

* Russian localization was thoroughly overhauled and checked for consistency. All in-game texts, including but not limited to item descriptions and mission texts, were reviewed.



Is there any possibility to get EVE into Spanish Location? there will be a lot more players that will join cos that Twisted Evil

zandayus
Posted - 2010.09.29 22:09:00 - [54]
 

this is eve.if there is no place for rainbows then we have no need for dainty flutter.this is eve for the brave and bold .

Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.09.30 01:16:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara
I wonder if the UI tweaks will fix ...

You must be new here. Everything is working as intended, there is nothing to fix. Confused

(also there are no UI tweaks, you misread the patch notes)

NorthernBrewer
Posted - 2010.09.30 02:39:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Tippia
"Users applying skill points directly to a skill would... has now been made more accurate."

Related to this, would it be possible to have those incorrectly adjusted skills readjusted to ... 1 SP over the level requirement. Razz


Em...who is getting free skill points (aside from that one set we got), and how can I get some?

MadnessInAPill
Posted - 2010.09.30 03:47:00 - [57]
 

Quote:
is expected to be completed at 13:40 UTC


How many SP we'll recive this time? I don't belive that it'll be completed before 15:00 UTC. Cool that the issues with MAC will be resolved, how about resolving some issues with Windows like unwanted DCs or shutdowns?

DMF KingBob
Posted - 2010.09.30 04:11:00 - [58]
 

Dragonfly Fighters arnt getting fixed again ?
its already bug reported since months....

WNxWolfy
Posted - 2010.09.30 07:38:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: lol internets

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a 8600/300 w/4 Gigs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to warp a Megathron in Rens to another planet. 20 minutes. At home, on my C2D 1600 running Windows 7, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this warp, the ingame browser will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even the forum **** showcase on PL forums is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My Iteron Mk IV with an afterburner runs faster than this apple Vagabond at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

What are you even doing in Rens? Srsly, null or get out.

Keebachi
Posted - 2010.09.30 08:20:00 - [60]
 

ok i know it says 13.40 but is that "we expect to be done at 13.10" but we added 30 minutes to be safe or is that "we believe everything will go perfect"


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