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Xessej
Posted - 2010.09.24 00:07:00 - [91]
 

I'd like to suggest the first Incursion should center on Jita. A couple of dozen Nightmares obliterating people trying to leave 4-4 would be HILARIOUS.

(Maybe if the player base comes up with a big enough "donation"?)

XSwiftX
Posted - 2010.09.24 00:32:00 - [92]
 

Ok am I the only who thinks we could have had co-op missions in hi sec a long time ago except someone in their infinite "wisdom" decided to put all the lvl 5 agents in low sec. I know when everyeone first heard about lvl 5's and the need for co-op we were excited. Then we found out they were all low sec and said a collective WTF?! If you want to really create more co-op move the lvl 5's to hi sec or at least put some in hi sec.

At least there is WH where everyday existence is co-op.

Sevarian
Posted - 2010.09.24 00:43:00 - [93]
 

I like the thing that NPC shooting is getting more interesting. But as be honest, we want more. How come you might think? But the answer is easy. Example lets look now back the last expansions: PI, T3 ships and wormholes. Everything is nice and cool. This is eve, you need to make some how the isk in this game. But to some pilots the thing is going to be too boring. People as pvp pilots are still looking to have something good ... like ships , with you can really make some pvp... ofc. you might say, that T3 must be enough for this need. But this is wrong. We are looking just too outside the box. T3 is never ment to be good pvp ship, so say that I don't just understand the ships. But lets look the fact, Tengu full carebear ship (basicly same as drake ... WTH?!). Lets look closer some ideas in forums and make something out. Like new class of ships: "true pvp ship" , example lets name some things: ceptors, dics, hics, recons... we have those things... but we need always something new. Atm. I would say that pvp pilots are unhappy.

MrZany
Amarr
Brood of Redemption
Posted - 2010.09.24 01:50:00 - [94]
 

Soundwave...best wave?

Discuss

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.09.24 01:53:00 - [95]
 

Will this require signing up to any particular anti-sansha group, or can people from say fw go join in on shooting npc's (or the players shooting the npc's YARRRR!!)

Elsa Nietzsche
Posted - 2010.09.24 02:01:00 - [96]
 

here's to hoping CCP put some thought into the spawns.
rather than 33% HS/33% LS/33% null. they use some kind of smart implementation to spawn more instances in areas where people actually play.
will be such a big waste to see 66% of spawns showing up in places where noone ever goes/does PVE

Ms xenyx
Gallente
6string slinger
Eternal Pretorian Alliance
Posted - 2010.09.24 03:19:00 - [97]
 

Sounds awsome hope to be part of it.

Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
Posted - 2010.09.24 03:37:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: Taser Monkey on 24/09/2010 03:38:30
The words awesome and epic are missing from this devblog. Did you finally realise that putting those two words in a blog, while expecting us to ignore all the problems expansions have, doesn't make for good headlines?

Everyone, this is CCP we're talking about. For those forgetting past expansions please take a look at Faction Failure, the drama lag that's been unleashed and the latest WH fiasco. I am fully confident CCP will totally mess this up, by creating a system in which this PVE 'battleground' will be dominated by massive cap blobs. They claim the more people are involved the less rewarding it will be but it'll get exploited heavily, before it's disabled/removed.

I, once upon a time, was an optimist and thought CCP would do things right. Now I know that this is CCP we're talking about.

Infinion
Caldari
Awesome Corp
Posted - 2010.09.24 03:54:00 - [99]
 

are there plans to make jump clone travel more flexible by changing the interval to 12 hours instead of 24?

Estimated Prophet
Ye Olde Curiosity Shoppe and Trading Company
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2010.09.24 04:08:00 - [100]
 

Right now on Sisi there's a new option in the galaxy map to colour stars by "Incursion" (right above colour by Region and Security Status), so finding incursions should not be a problem (for both PvE and PvP purposes).

Noun Verber
Gallente
Posted - 2010.09.24 04:25:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Xessej
I'd like to suggest the first Incursion should center on Jita. A couple of dozen Nightmares obliterating people trying to leave 4-4 would be HILARIOUS.

(Maybe if the player base comes up with a big enough "donation"?)


That would be a great introduction to show that they mean business and to also get attention from the most players at once that something new is happening (i'm sure that not many people actually read the patch notes).

Minkert
Caldari
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2010.09.24 04:33:00 - [102]
 

Just for the comments about sleeper AI and drones/logistics. I currently see multiple logis and swarms of drones used on sleepers effectively and without loss- Play Harder. Oh yah and a sleeper AI upgrade while you upgrade its AI for this would spice up life a bit.

Minkert
Caldari
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2010.09.24 04:46:00 - [103]
 

Here's an idea- if an incursion stays un-attacked in a system for lets say 2 or 4 hours, it spreads to neighbor systems- and so on. Makes for not only a true incursion, but plenty of targets if they spawn way out in 0.0 and sit before some people notice.

Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2010.09.24 05:12:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: islador
To those of you worried about Sleeper AI killing off your drones, please look into other methods of handling the agro table. Current sleeper AI is quite simple. ECM > RR > Damage, every time, without fail. The only exception is when the system resets the aggro tables and a damage or RR system cycles at the right time for a higher value than an ECM system.


So a fix for the "drone problem" with sleeper AI is to exploit it with ECMing NPC's and RRing the drones when they get aggro ?
If CCP happens to change that pattern for AI we're back to square one.

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2010.09.24 05:27:00 - [105]
 

So, tell me, does that mean that drones will be utterly useless soon(tm), except sentries that is somewhat usable after all?

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.09.24 06:01:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
What metric is going to be used for the reward thingie?
ie, if I show up in a damnation to boost the shooters, or a logistics to rep them up, will I get a shot at the non-immediate rewards?


Yeah, hopefully tying the rewards to objectives will mean that everyone gets a share and opens up for making different roles within a fleet apart from "damage".


So you are considering a way to reward doing support work. Good.

On the other hand there is something to avoid people parking a cloaked cov ops in the battle area and leaving it there while asleep, sucking in "participation points" (or whatever you will call them) without doing anything useful?

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.09.24 06:34:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Elsa Nietzsche
here's to hoping CCP put some thought into the spawns.
rather than 33% HS/33% LS/33% null. they use some kind of smart implementation to spawn more instances in areas where people actually play.
will be such a big waste to see 66% of spawns showing up in places where noone ever goes/does PVE


More probably 30% high sec, 10% low sec and 60% 0.0 as that is the approximate distributions of systems excluding WH space.

Mad and yes, I think it will be a very bad distribution.

Takseen
Posted - 2010.09.24 07:33:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: SIEGE RED


Originally by: Mik Nostrebor

4. Rewards should still be in isk, LP and items in addition to loot and salv. Adding a new type of LP system for rewards will be like the Wow pvp badge system. In Wow, the main currency (gold) is becoming more and more irrelevant as these rewards become the only things that can give access to the better gear. Luckily for Eve, there is no concept of "soulbound" items except for implants.



Haven't you heard, badge systems and soulbound content is hot, it's in all the keynotes. It makes people think it will attract people used to such systems, even wanting them, regardless of whether you really want those in the sandbox or if they stick around when not following up on things. But hey, the sandbox, like the economy is self correcting! No really, you will see, it is going to be awesome!

Cool



There's no practical difference between the current LP system which everyone is fine with, and any new Sansha Point system, as long as the rewards from the latter are tradeable. And there's no reason to suspect they won't be. Navy Dominix ships are only available from faction warfare stores but you see them for sale all over the place.

I wonder if these invasions will offer a way to increase faction standings. Would be nice to get it from something other than missions.

Liteik
Drunk GanG
Reckless Chavs
Posted - 2010.09.24 07:49:00 - [109]
 

Quote:
what's happening winter 2010?

we will play WoT ??

Make something new in PvP


Receg
Tragedy.
Posted - 2010.09.24 07:51:00 - [110]
 

Quote:
Team best friends forever


Quote:
Think of it as a moving circus where you have to shoot the clowns. Stupid clowns.


I c what you did thar.

MissyDark
Posted - 2010.09.24 08:03:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
CCP Soundwave outlines some of the changes to PVE that will come with EVE Online: Incursion


I don't want to bash your contingency expansion that you have to put in place because of incarna not being ready, but sometimes I wish your expansions weren't free. I wonder how would players have voted with their money - for or against the incursion? Do you, CCP?

Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
Posted - 2010.09.24 08:25:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: MissyDark
Originally by: CCP Fallout
CCP Soundwave outlines some of the changes to PVE that will come with EVE Online: Incursion


I don't want to bash your contingency expansion that you have to put in place because of incarna not being ready, but sometimes I wish your expansions weren't free. I wonder how would players have voted with their money - for or against the incursion? Do you, CCP?


CCP tried to charge us for EVE Voice, not even 10 people paid for that buggy piece of ****. It's still buggy and doesn't work well, as I can only talk once and once only. Then I have to leave and rejoin voice.

Rivqua
Caldari
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2010.09.24 09:42:00 - [113]
 

Any chance we can have this also as a sneak lowsec boost, by making the lowsec variants be the most rewarding to run. Easily explained by the fact that while 0.0 is lucrative for the Sansha, they already control wast swathes of 0.0, and it's comparably desolate on pilots, while Highsec is too heavily guarded by the empires, making lowsec the most interesting goal for the Sanshes, making their attacks there the biggest, with the biggest rewards to be gained.

If we use highsec as base (1), have 0.0 be x3 multiplier, and lowsec x8.

- Riv

youthink
Posted - 2010.09.24 10:05:00 - [114]
 

Hmm, nice!

Now, imagine an incursion event in a moderately occupied system/constellation. Let me hazard a guess and say 50 Sansha ships appear. Let's say it's high sec and some 50 players join in. That's 100 ships on grid to start with, plus drones. Now imagine some clown shooting other players at the site. Let's say he manages to hit five ships/drones with a Smart Bomb. How many Concord ships will be spawned?

I don't know about you, but I always get huge lag when Concord comes to spank me senseless.
I foresee massive lag and gallons of care bear tears.

Oh, and will Sansha target Concord as well? And more so, will Concord target Sansha?

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2010.09.24 10:24:00 - [115]
 

"Stupid clowns"?
"BFF"?
This is CAOD material!Laughing

Some nice ideas in this devblog. Will have to wait and see how it's going to be implemented.

Nebula Terron
Amarr
Wolf's in Sheep's Clothing
Posted - 2010.09.24 11:14:00 - [116]
 

Ai changes and PVE boost, everything sounds nice.

Can you tell us anything about the rewards we will get for this?
I'm not gonna use the best ships and fittings, form up a decend gang of support and damage ships
to run these PvE Encounters, if we all get 1 mil ISK as a reward and a bit of salvage.

EFT Worrier
Posted - 2010.09.24 11:27:00 - [117]
 

Surprised noone has mentioned the similarity between the cooperative aspects of this system and Warhammer's public quests.

Good composers borrow, great composers steal, etc.

This is exactly the right way to go and IMO is long overdue. This kind of system ought to serve as the basis for the majority of PVE in EVE to be honest. There's all these great pirate factions that never really do anything - having them regularly invade empire space is a no-brainer.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.09.24 11:27:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: LegendaryFrog
Do we have a ballpark estimate on how long these will take to complete? My initial concern is that if it is too quick, these will be run through almost immediately and those who were not fortunate enough to be at the right place at the right time will not be able to take part. Is the intention for this to be kind of a lottery effect, or do you intend for it to be such that someone looking to participate in this PvE feature will be able to seek it out and do so at his/her leisure?

Also, with advanced AI, I am hoping that these NPCs will also follow the 'rules' of regular players. EWAR abusing npcs sound much more interesting and fun when they dont have magical "ewar immunity" on themselves, and having the ability to open up all forms of warfare against these npcs could make the PvE fleet compositions far more interesting (fun).


Rolling Eyes

@CCP.. time to get those NPC nodes out and running.. cores with NPC AI running and nothing else - connected to the server right besides them and beating the **** out of us. You know you can/want/must do this!! Twisted Evil
Do eeeetttt pls.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.09.24 11:39:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: Tres Farmer on 24/09/2010 12:01:49
Originally by: Ottman
does it sound familiar ? plex alone will not gurantee to exclude the isk for rl cash trader, and with every nerf that makes it harder to get iskies ingame you open the nearly shut door again for them. to ignore these relation is not wise, just as general warning, and the general tendence to raise the amount of time needed to finish those plexes with no isk rewards while killing npc's, maybe with t2 ammo, means that the few item rewards will have to earn the iskies for those players doing those plexes.
means in addition more inflation, and we had just one inflation wave with planetary interaction, the next one must not really hit us or what do you say ?

Thruth 1: You contradict yourself there.
On one hand you say that with less income from plexes that people will have less money and on the other hand you say that there would be inflation.
Please think about that again.

Thruth 2: RMTers will not be successful when they have problems to FARM stuff. Incursions don't sound like that. Quite the contrary. Especially as CCP pointed out this design flaw in the blog with the 10/10 complexes, which are supposed to be 'replaced' by Incursions.

Originally by: Ottman
bringing in sleeper ai means also that player not only loose ships, they get podded by npc now too, another thing not mentioned in the dev blog, it means you risk all and its not sure that you get your reward, and it shows where the general tendence goes to.

Truth 3: Sleepers DON'T POD! Yeah, it's true.

Originally by: Ottman
paying for the account, paying for gtc to convert them into plex to be able to buy ships and stuff needed to fly those plexes, flying them, loosing ships, getting podded and then you need to buy next gtc with real life cash again if you want to get quick isk again. the only who earns cash that way is ccp for the case if you are a pure pew pew pilot.
it must ofc not be like this, but right now it smells like this for me. the only response i will read tbh is with ccp tag, the rest about flaming and trolling... i dont care, those ppl suck from default and are not worth my attention, tbh :P .

Thruth 4: You're full of yourself and your pov. Have fun with it.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.09.24 11:59:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: youthink
Now, imagine an incursion event in a moderately occupied system/constellation. Let me hazard a guess and say 50 Sansha ships appear. Let's say it's high sec and some 50 players join in. That's 100 ships on grid to start with, plus drones. Now imagine some clown shooting other players at the site. Let's say he manages to hit five ships/drones with a Smart Bomb. How many Concord ships will be spawned? snip

Clever clown I would say. Nowhere in New Eden had there been the potential for a drove of PvEers in such dimensions until now.

And to brighten up low sec with this will be an utter disaster, as the only thing that brightens up when an Incursion is spotted down there will be space with cynos left and right, as the regional power bloc reaps the rewards (if it's THAT good) and/or ****s anybody else there trying to reap the rewards..

Can those Sansha put up cynojammers once they land in a system?
This way everybody has to walk to the party in BS maximum instead of taking the private jet (SuperCap), if you know what I mean?! Cool


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