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Hese
Gallente
The Einherji

Posted - 2010.10.08 19:43:00 - [991]
 

No thanks. Confused

Tarkelan
Posted - 2010.10.08 20:16:00 - [992]
 

No to plex for remaps and a general no to micro payment.

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2010.10.08 23:09:00 - [993]
 

Edited by: H Zebra on 08/10/2010 23:10:01
a line you shouldnt cross ccp

ifollowed through
Posted - 2010.10.09 06:49:00 - [994]
 

no way jose.. Mad

Alex95
Posted - 2010.10.09 16:43:00 - [995]
 

NO NO NO

Arbiter Reformed
Minmatar
Garnet Resources

Posted - 2010.10.09 16:50:00 - [996]
 

was zee FFF?? NEIN!

D'murr Pilru
Posted - 2010.10.09 16:54:00 - [997]
 

Edited by: D''murr Pilru on 09/10/2010 17:33:24
If this happens then the next step is state issue ships for cash or other stuff so i say CCP is getting greedy. NO TO PLEX REMAP AND NO TO SHOPS IN EVE!!!

Running missions
Posted - 2010.10.09 20:34:00 - [998]
 

well...
plex for a remap isnt a bad thing.
its not like they get a massive advantage. Rich people IRL and IN games would have great advantage u can buy plex's off the market, which will drive the price up more but who cares it will readjust as with all item changes.

Pros:

* There won't be a new CCP mechanic that allows some players to benefit more ingame than others
* People with more money can buy and sell plex ingame and get an advantage already
* CCP has more plex to sell
* People can buy characters with isk
* This feature could possibly help fixing skill messups and lazyness


Cons:

* Real Money Trading happens regardless

this is the real pro's vs con's

Splithorizon
Gallente
4S Corporation
Posted - 2010.10.10 08:21:00 - [999]
 

I do not like the idea very much.

Morar Santee
Posted - 2010.10.10 14:59:00 - [1000]
 

Edited by: Morar Santee on 10/10/2010 15:36:11
Originally by: "Torfi Frans Olafsson"
Yeah, we are looking at introducing virtual goods within the game, but we feel those things should be vanity items rather than those that give you a clear benefit over other players in-game.

That said, we are introducing a feature this expansion [Incursion], that does allow you to re-map your attributes using Pilot Licence Extensions, which are bought both in-game and on our website. PLEX represents 30-days subscription within the game.

We will evolve just like everyone else. We will certainly not become a dinosaur. That has not been our style.


I have to say it's pretty sad that Olafsson doesn't have the integrity to answer to this thread and state the same thing here.

"Not become a dinosaur" my ass. I hope everyone is aware that this means development time is being invested into "features" that will only be available for additional payment. Development time was spent on the "remap for PLEX" with Incursion, and the trend will continue and get worse in the future. It's not about exactly what they do. It's the fact that they spend valuable resources on it that are not being used in order to improve game performance for everyone.
They invested Dev time we ultimately paid for, for the sole purpose of getting more money from us than they are already getting anyway. Despite the fact the majority of players evidently doesn't want that. It's a pretty ingenious concept, if you think about it.

The same Devs and coders who were working on "remap for PLEX" could have worked on fixing bugs we've had to deal with for years, re-balancing some game aspects, finally getting the address book in working order again, or properly coding the patch that broke the entire UI and that took them 3 optional patches to defuse (with some people still crashing at random, the client suddenly becoming a GPU hogging FPS massacre for just as many, and mail system and auto-link features just about broken).

EVE really has one of the most dedicated playerbases I've seen anywhere - and CCP is now using that credit to try and milk the cow for all it's worth, instead of giving us the quality product they could deliver because we fracking well made it possible by investing our faith and money in them over years.

So CCP executives won't become dinosaurs - but they will break explicit promises, make a grab for your money, and introduce items for $$$ that give the buyer no real advantage. Just a small one. 2% DPS, maybe? And all of that against the wishes of most of their customers.

EVEcitizen2119278
Posted - 2010.10.10 15:36:00 - [1001]
 

no

Newbee
Posted - 2010.10.10 16:32:00 - [1002]
 

plex should just stay the way they are ... timecodes nothing else they should be used for ... CCP stop here thats not the way we want itExclamation there were several points already where you made me thought about leaving the game but this will just break it no way this is gone happen... sorry but no not with me there are also other games that we can move on and go to and play elsewhere ( btw. for your calculations i got more than 1 account running so well think about it twice and calculate this in... )

Jaala Creed
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.10.10 19:00:00 - [1003]
 

In my opinion.. Selling GTC/Plex for Isk is more "gamebreaking" than this..

I don't see the problem. ugh

Ellente Fervens
Posted - 2010.10.10 19:14:00 - [1004]
 

NO to microtransactions (mostly cause they don't begin or stay at the micro level and $35/month should be enough for two accounts.)

Phoenix Tyrox
Krupp-Stahl
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2010.10.10 20:25:00 - [1005]
 

No to microtransactions

0oO0oOoOo0o
Posted - 2010.10.11 00:15:00 - [1006]
 

I don't support this proposal. Remap for plex is a cool feature !

Bhattran
Posted - 2010.10.11 01:39:00 - [1007]
 

Originally by: Running missions
well...
plex for a remap isnt a bad thing.
its not like they get a massive advantage. Rich people IRL and IN games would have great advantage u can buy plex's off the market, which will drive the price up more but who cares it will readjust as with all item changes.

Pros:

* There won't be a new CCP mechanic that allows some players to benefit more ingame than others
* People with more money can buy and sell plex ingame and get an advantage already
* CCP has more plex to sell
* People can buy characters with isk
* This feature could possibly help fixing skill messups and lazyness


Cons:

* Real Money Trading happens regardless

this is the real pro's vs con's



No it isn't, but I'll get you started in the right direction.

Pros:

*CCP makes more money
*People who want to use PLEX or spend $$$ for more remaps can
*People who hope for more 'uses' for PLEX (character portrait swap, name changes, etc) gain hope for the future
*Players can skip over a mechanic that is only offered by CCP, thus CCP has no competition for the service, hello monopoly.
*People too stupid to understand how a remap works have an opportunity to reverse one that 'went bad'
*People who want to only train at maximum SP/HR gain that ability through the sales of PLEX

CONS:

*The exra money CCP makes goes to whatever CCP wants, not necessarily EVE
*CCP sees they can make more pay for feature options to players and have the monopoly on them
*Too few people make use of the Remap option spurring more pay for features programs
*Too many people make use of the remap option and CCP sees this as motivation for even more features to sell players
*EVE goes down a road of pay for features that ruin the game

Fournone
Posted - 2010.10.11 01:48:00 - [1008]
 

WTF CCP?

OZONE MAKER
Posted - 2010.10.11 17:47:00 - [1009]
 

NO to plex for remap

ishmeiil
Posted - 2010.10.11 21:27:00 - [1010]
 

NO, this is a very slippery slope, by correctly setting up skill plans and remap points and a bit of cash (or excess isk) it wouldnt be that hard to maximize your sp/hour, giving you an advantage over the person who cant afford the plex, and has to wait the year out. being able to switch your remap at will to minimize your training times does give an unfair advantage.

with all that said, IF this does go in, it needs a limit, once every 6 months maybe? but i would rather it not make it in at all.

SleeperAcolyte
Posted - 2010.10.12 09:37:00 - [1011]
 

Though I doubt CCP will listen, I wish they wouldn't do this but they seem determined to implement micro-transactions, and while I'm not against microtransactions for cosmetic purposes as they put it, altering the SP/Hr is not a cosmetic change.

Supported.

Nmihaic1
Posted - 2010.10.12 09:49:00 - [1012]
 

noo hell no

Recon85
Posted - 2010.10.12 10:05:00 - [1013]
 

nooo

JcJet
Caldari
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
Posted - 2010.10.12 13:35:00 - [1014]
 

Obviously...

Turix
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.10.12 14:38:00 - [1015]
 

Seriously don't start down this road CCP, it only ends in a very bad place.

I guess this is where we find out, quite how much the CSM means to CCP, when this many players disagree with them.

Moritlar
Posted - 2010.10.12 20:19:00 - [1016]
 


Jetski manatee
Posted - 2010.10.12 20:25:00 - [1017]
 

Really CCP, WTF?

JcJet
Caldari
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
Posted - 2010.10.13 05:38:00 - [1018]
 

The score is 18:715 now :) whatever...
This situation is very dissapointing, anyway, will it be on TQ or not.

Cryptkiller
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe

Posted - 2010.10.13 08:40:00 - [1019]
 

Kill it with fire!

wakalaka
Information And Entropy
Posted - 2010.10.13 13:40:00 - [1020]
 

ISK for through GTCs is enough. I don't oppose to it because I'm realistic and if CCP doesn't control it, then the RMT market would be a black one mostly.

To give an XP advantage for ? No, thanks. It's lame even in F2P games (oh wait, eve is already a F2P game for me :*)


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