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Deks
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate

Posted - 2010.10.06 23:34:00 - [901]
 

im disgusted with you CCP! This isn't World of Tanks its a proper MMO! (or so i thought!Evil or Very Mad)

Zach Nazgul
Posted - 2010.10.06 23:40:00 - [902]
 

I wish that when CCP actually implements this feature,
at least 50% of the current paying accounts would just cancel payments...

Seriously f'ing wish that!

iKill Giants
Eternal Phoenix Rises
Posted - 2010.10.06 23:40:00 - [903]
 

Edited by: iKill Giants on 06/10/2010 23:41:21
/signed

Abil
Authorities Against Antidisestablishmentarianism
Army of Lovers.
Posted - 2010.10.06 23:46:00 - [904]
 

WTF should ppl get that sort of advantage JUST because they have more money or mummy dont mind the credit card being used .... the fact that u can get extra isk from selling plex's is enough .....

Zecuza
Caldari
Zecu Nomics
Tactical Operation Fleet Delta
Posted - 2010.10.06 23:48:00 - [905]
 

i'll quite if this happens.
supported

Ferrus Manuss
Posted - 2010.10.06 23:49:00 - [906]
 

i think not.

Hackzilla
Posted - 2010.10.06 23:51:00 - [907]
 


Velazem
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.06 23:51:00 - [908]
 

i do not want this game to be like those free internet MMO's where you can buy your way to the top
supported

Bokanon
Posted - 2010.10.07 00:01:00 - [909]
 

Edited by: Bokanon on 07/10/2010 00:02:13
Originally by: Evelgrivion
The feature is cash for a skill point advantage; a step in the wrong direction for the only thing of value in this game - skill points over time.


This could have the potential to break the game.

Greken
Minmatar
The Lost Regime
Posted - 2010.10.07 00:10:00 - [910]
 

Edited by: Greken on 07/10/2010 00:20:10
Edited by: Greken on 07/10/2010 00:13:12
as far as I see, this just allows you to reallocate your skill points, it doesnt seem to give a person any more skill points than they previously had... there is no "boost" whatsoever given to anybody who does this other than how their skill points are distriubuted...

I think it is kind of dumb that it costs PLEX instead of ISK, but PLEX really IS ISK anyway so even that doesnt really even matter... so what is the big deal?

or am I misunderstanding something here?

(EDIT, and when I say 'skill points' I am actually talking about Attribute Points (as that is what a Neural Remap is), not the actual skill points gained from training a skill)

Torquemada Credo
Posted - 2010.10.07 00:19:00 - [911]
 


WTF CCP, not on your nelly.

Plexes have already totally devalued ISK ingame and ruined the economy, I guess you could go the whole hog and speed up eves demise with this latest kick in the spheriods.

/signed if you wanna be free to play, be free to play. If you wanna be a real mmorg drop this frankly stupid idea and maybe rethink the real world money for isk market youve condemned in one breathe and blown totally out of proportion with PLEXes.

Seriously this is a phial to far.

TC

Zalcuroze
Posted - 2010.10.07 00:21:00 - [912]
 

supported

Hey Gumpy
Posted - 2010.10.07 00:32:00 - [913]
 

Toasting, bread, epic.

+1

Jason W0rthing
Posted - 2010.10.07 00:40:00 - [914]
 

WTF CCP????

Zylithi
Caldari
Strange Energy
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.10.07 00:41:00 - [915]
 

Disapprove.

Dr Ngo
Amarr
JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION GET IN THE CAR
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2010.10.07 00:46:00 - [916]
 

Supporting because I think it's a stupid idea but some of you emo doomsayers need to take a breath and think about this. If you optimize your attributes for your training plan every year and then somewhat stick to it the actual sp difference from changing attributes every time you change skills is negligable. This really just allows people to chase after their sp butterflies mid training plan and possibly recover earlier from a *DERP DERP* remap.

However I think that this sort of thing will end up opening doors to a lot of other features for rl money.

tl;dr: I think it's a dumb idea but you emo ****s are seriously blowing this out of proportion.

TranZferR
Aliastra

Posted - 2010.10.07 00:47:00 - [917]
 

Hell no this is not a facebook game for crying out loud this is a terrible idea!Evil or Very Mad

bethoven
Posted - 2010.10.07 01:01:00 - [918]
 

Please don't.

Many of us have put in YEARS of patient work.

Heian
Minmatar
Life on Moon
Posted - 2010.10.07 01:09:00 - [919]
 

I have always been telling the world about Eve, only game i ever felt to have the spirit, care, and support to its players.

Since 2004 when i created first character Vladimir ilich, i have been lured to this amasing world of pure gaming and wits.

Its strength is massive, comparing it to other mmorpg products is unimmaginable, it doesnt even stand to the critteria of 'product', as this is a gift to us, the players.

Now, when i ve heard the consideration of implementing an option to upgrade gameplay with real cash, which is supported by game developers, in this case the Plex-remap case. I must say that it absolutely will cripple if not kill, exaust the spirit of eve and his maker the ccp, which i ve always talked of with awe to my brother while truing to lure him to play it, and the other people.

Nowdays all i see is games who profit from such operations, and i cannot deny ccp would be wise to follow and fight to take the milk from the cow everybodys been milking so hard, earn more cash, to support even further their progres with dust, and bloodlines game they are working on.

But, the price to such actions is the one which players of eve will be paying, not just loosing players faith, but also shattering our, and mine, firm stand when we say: Eve - online is the best game ever to be, and has incredible developer support.

Hell, sometimes i catch myself thinking what the hell i am doing in this game so long, and get bored from time to time, but then i think about the ccp and their care to this game like its a rare and valuable flower. Just cause of that, i decided to fly the vast reaches of space as long as ccp and eve exist.

I must say that weather you decide to make the first step towards the milking cow or not, i will not leave the game i loved so much.
But to whom i am going to tell now, of the great and absolute, flawless game of eve and its developer ccp?

Petturson and the Crew, Decide!


AnimosityHeD
Posted - 2010.10.07 01:15:00 - [920]
 

Edited by: AnimosityHeD on 07/10/2010 01:27:21
When I first joined eve they preached "Time based skilling to level the playing field between the weekend warrior and hardcore no-lifers". I would like CCP to then justify, that being the philosophy they built they're entire revolutionary skilling structure around, how that is in any way different than giving an advantage to those who see the subscription and 20 plexs a month as a drop in the bucket over those who are scraping (or grinding) every month to keep playing.

CCP is asking its subscribers to resign themselves to the fact that someone who started the game at the same exact time will have millions more skillpoints than them at 6 months of gameplay because the other person has more 0's at the end of their bank account and there is virtually nothing that person can do about it. That's not to mention the people who have been around for 5, 6, 7+ years now only to see all their money and countless hours viewed as wasted because someone well-off can achieve the same thing in 3/4 or less of the time.

To end my soapbox soliloquy, if they change this I probably wont walk away, at least not at first, but some will and the next outrageous change some more will. But to CCP this is balanced by the increase they see in PLEX sales and new subscribers (and new accounts) who are drawn in by the prospect of faster gratification for a few extra bills. All that being said, CCP, you have shown us you can disregard our petitions (like this one) and raging to fix ongoing and longstanding issues or to not implement unwanted changes regardless of the support they recieve. Now, prove to us you have grown large enough to completely turn your back on your core membership and the people who made you what you are today.

-Signed-

Cattibri
Posted - 2010.10.07 01:27:00 - [921]
 

Edited by: Cattibri on 07/10/2010 01:32:42
I agree that this is the first step in the wrong direction, in and of itself it's fairly minor but it starts with remaps, then what? a collectors ship; ie zephyrs and that turns into faction shuttles and then faction frigates and then youre buying SP on double plex weekends while you wait for the titan sale next week?

Return to the days where players actually influenced the game =/

just checked the 'for' thread, still on first page vs this one alreayd at 31 and growing in the time that it took me to scan over one other thread. clear player majority in opinion?

Bhattran
Posted - 2010.10.07 01:29:00 - [922]
 

Originally by: Greken
Edited by: Greken on 07/10/2010 00:20:10
Edited by: Greken on 07/10/2010 00:13:12
as far as I see, this just allows you to reallocate your skill points, it doesnt seem to give a person any more skill points than they previously had... there is no "boost" whatsoever given to anybody who does this other than how their skill points are distriubuted...

I think it is kind of dumb that it costs PLEX instead of ISK, but PLEX really IS ISK anyway so even that doesnt really even matter... so what is the big deal?

or am I misunderstanding something here?

(EDIT, and when I say 'skill points' I am actually talking about Attribute Points (as that is what a Neural Remap is), not the actual skill points gained from training a skill)


By reallocating attributes at your discretion you can, if you train the skills based on the attributes you've now paid isk/money-bought plex which if you pay for the reallocation only makes sense that you do, train 'optimally' for every skill that fits the allocation you've picked. Doing so repeatedly means you train 'faster' than someone who only remaps per their yearly allocation and trains all the skills that fit the remap, less likely as priorities change and it isn't always possible to ONLY train skills that fit your optimal remap setup.

When comparing the two characters the one that remapped every time they trained skills with different primary and secondary attributes they come out with more SP than the player who trained mostly, if all, the skills for their single remap. The end result is two fold more SP for the remapping fiend and potentially a faster road to an overall goal like say being a 'very good' stealth bomber pilot and 'explorer' vs the other character that trained primarily one type of skill with a few others tossed in out of need/desire that didn't fit the original remap, they might have to 'wait' to train optimally for additional skills or train them at a diminished rate depending on the initial remap.

Plex isn't isk it is cash, every plex that exists came into being because someone paid $17.5 US for it it is truly pay to gain an ingame feature that you already have access to at a regular schedule. The fact that they now greenlight us paying for things our normal subscription allows us to have as an extra is part of the issue, how about you use a plex to get jump clones when you have no standing, or you use a plex to get a training bonus for 1 million sp? If you or someone else is willing to spend the cash you can overcome game constraints to get ahead it isn't about 'earning' or actually being better than others, more clever, etc it is about if you have extra cash to toss at CCP for benefits, aka bribing them.

Plex does the same but at least it combats isk sellers who would abuse CCP's product using macros to artificially create isk through methods normal players wouldn't do at the same rate, 23/7 mining, mission running, or by hacking player accounts and stealing their isk. This feature isn't something CCP has any competition with a 3rd party, they are doing it simply to make more $, so why not sell SP for $, why not sell ships for $, why not sell soverignty for $?


Aijle Mijleroff
Posted - 2010.10.07 01:42:00 - [923]
 

ugh

Klyria
Minmatar
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2010.10.07 01:44:00 - [924]
 

insert comment here

Gryganne
Gallente
Ambivalence Co-operative
Posted - 2010.10.07 02:04:00 - [925]
 

WTF CCP??

Celtic Desrtoyer
Posted - 2010.10.07 02:08:00 - [926]
 

Edited by: Celtic Desrtoyer on 07/10/2010 02:14:38
I say no!! LIKE WTF! Going in the wrong direction!!

Michia Kaku
Infinity Trading Corporation
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.10.07 02:33:00 - [927]
 

Edited by: Michia Kaku on 07/10/2010 02:41:40
Blablabla That said blablabla...

Read as "we going to do it anyways",

This is not good.



Langbaobao
Posted - 2010.10.07 02:36:00 - [928]
 

Lots of people have already said more or less what I think of this. I'm definitely against remaps for PLEX....

Izo Alabaster
Posted - 2010.10.07 03:48:00 - [929]
 


Rifean Nethulifus
Posted - 2010.10.07 06:10:00 - [930]
 

WTF CCP?!


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