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Karrade Krise
Posted - 2010.09.21 22:22:00 - [211]
 

I'm happy about it and all but...

Why in the world are you having "design a ship" contests RIGHT BEFORE you announce a new ship? >:( All that work I did...for nothing... Evil or Very Mad

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2010.09.21 22:52:00 - [212]
 

unless like most people you actually read the announcement and realised that the ship from the design contest is intended to be a combat ship, the Noctis is simply CCP realising the Primae hull is too sexy to be relegated to a rarely used second line PI platform and finding something else to do with it.

VaL Iscariot
Caldari
The Concilium Enterprises
Spectrum Alliance
Posted - 2010.09.22 16:31:00 - [213]
 

the poor destroyer now has no use outside of a bridge ship between cruisers and suicide ganking afk haulers.

CCP, BEEF UP MY CATALYST!

Xavier Ansatsusha
Stargate SG-1
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.09.22 22:03:00 - [214]
 

WOW, first off, nice job CCP, glad to see you doing something useful with the Primae hull. Love the idea, ships specs arent bad, ability to have some form of a decent tank for its size would be better. a few light scout drones would be nice but not needed, I see no need for that much defense normally. Very much looking foward to this ship coming out.

As for the other whiny arses on this thread, shush already will you. You saw missions are already too profitable, they have been nerfed so bad over time that they are fair enough now. I seriously cant believe so many ppl in eve have nothing better to do that complain about a ship that can help ppl make a bit more isk. Go live in a war zone area of 0.0 and see how much that extra ISK actually helps. IF YOUR GOING TO COMPLAIN TO CCP ABOUT THINGS, COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS THAT MATTER, STOP BASHING NEW TOYS THAT CCP GRACES US WITH. Want something to complain about, how about user interface on PI causing wrist injuries,lol.

CCP Ignore these guys that do nothing but whine, I have seen your good and bad and you have always done the best and have given us a game that could never be matched. And now giving us a very nice and useful new ship that though ppl whine saying its highsec only, I will find great uses for it in WH and 0.0. THANKS

Arora Firesight
Posted - 2010.09.23 00:48:00 - [215]
 

There is a big difference between whining and constructive criticism... or even attempting at a helpful suggestion or 2 to add to the pot of ideas... e.g. t2 idea or others as such...

i do also believe that others have been asking more on th lines of questioning CCP as to a more detailed roll... and weather in fact CCP intended this ship for high sec only.

Ultimately it is up to CCP and i will further more support this but blind support is a different thing (not meaning to insult you in any way sir, however that is the impression i am getting)... you may love the game but have you ever wished for something excellent?
something better or more? why stop at just what you are given? cos if you don't that is rather defeatist in some way...

im basically saying we all in our ways have been supporting CCP for bring out this ship, it is much needed addition to the game and we all look forward to seeing it... however we are entitled to our opinions, there are areas that we feel could be better in some ways but 90% of it is fine and maybe to make it 100% then we would happy pay more to address the balance and maybe make the 100% version a t2? (an idea for the pot)

anyhow sir please do not see what im saying as offencive and i wish you a good day to you... as for CCP thank you for the ship, hope these ideas come throw for auditing

Arora

Mecha Polcha
Cause of Crisis
Posted - 2010.09.23 07:13:00 - [216]
 

In the land of radical overstatement, the word 'Awesome' to describe the Primae has to be top of the top! Unless you wanted to describe its function as 'MIND-BLOWING'...

PastaGuy
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2010.09.23 20:58:00 - [217]
 

Overally, very neat ship! When can I get one?

The creation of this ship negates the major advantage of my marauder for missions, but... okay.

Dave

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2010.09.23 23:06:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
All in all, we think the ship as it stands now already justifies itself, and trying to make ships more awesome than they really need to be has historically been a source of considerable imbalance. We'd rather not take that risk again in this case Smile


Then use some other model for her. The docking portal on the ship's forefront is begging for drone bay.
I've though that the Primae model was intended as a sort of capital hull, but accidentally downgraded to mere joke.

MERCURY BASHER
Posted - 2010.09.24 03:32:00 - [219]
 

buying noctis for 20 mil. Based on mineral cost.

Pookie McPook
Posted - 2010.09.24 11:51:00 - [220]
 

Based on the likely cost you are going to have to do a hell of a lot of salvaging before you break even. For the guy that does maybe a couple of missions a night I don't really see the financial sense of ditching his destroyer in favour of a Noctis. OK if you are about to buy a Hurricane maybe you could look at one of the new boats instead but even then I would say it is debateable.

Those for whom money is no object I guess you will see cruising around whining about getting ganked but hey, that's Eve!

Jagaren Bestiga
Caldari
Nox Voraxium
Zantiu-Braun Alliance
Posted - 2010.09.24 16:59:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Finally!

Next up: a SoE exploration/hacking/etc ship. Pretty please.


ViperLok
Posted - 2010.09.25 03:56:00 - [222]
 

Edited by: ViperLok on 25/09/2010 03:58:26
Edited by: ViperLok on 25/09/2010 03:56:54
Ill stick with my Hurricane. It has drones and lots of cargo space.
I can tank it up and not worry about it. I like the fact its tanked and has an AB and a MWD on it.

Pound for pound, This new ship looks like CRAP to me.

Croniton
Posted - 2010.09.25 04:08:00 - [223]
 

Awesome!! cant wait to use itSmile

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2010.09.26 02:54:00 - [224]
 

OK ... nice ship. Should make Level IV Mission Runners who salvage their wrecks pretty happy - as they are the ones that can afford it ... but then ... at the lower mission levels ... you probably don't really need it so your destroyers will not lose their role as low level mission salvagers. It's just the Battle Cruiser salvager ships that will be replaced by this.

Bonuses to tractor beams and salvager cycles will make this an excellent high level salvager. More cap, more cargo space ... great.



As to the drones ... no ... drones aren't going to create a balance problem ... It should have drones. At least a few. I think CCP is overly worried about giving a fat, slow industrial ship a few drones. It's like - the best Salvaging Destroyer is - the Catalyst - because ... it has a drone. Drones for this type of ship are not offensive - they are defensive weapons. A lot of missions take place in systems that have belt rats - and those belt rats do come to visit mission spaces. Having a few drones would let this ship defend itself against them. I guess, as it is, it is counting on tanking the rats.

Oh and - yes - releasing the Salvager Drones to the public would be beneficial as well - to much more than this ship - but released with this ship - would make a very nice contribution to it's utility.




Karrade Krise
Posted - 2010.09.26 03:15:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Darek Castigatus
unless like most people you actually read the announcement and realised that the ship from the design contest is intended to be a combat ship,


I read the announcement from ingame, I went to Deviant art...and I've checked EVEs' Facebook page.

Still can't find any details saying it's meant to be a combat ship. Wouldn't happen to have a link would you?

Oakatsura
Posted - 2010.09.26 15:13:00 - [226]
 

::Sniffles::
My life suddenly got easier... =)
::Snork::
I promised myself I wouldnt cry...

Katy Ling
Gallente
Sebiestor Heavy Industries
Posted - 2010.09.27 15:56:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: Arora Firesight
Edited by: Arora Firesight on 20/09/2010 09:44:01


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So to summery.... this is what people might like with the ship. just taking stoke of everyones excellent ideas and id say nice one koodos to the community

Great ship, but people have suggested that they would like>

* Code Braker/archeology bonus.

* A drone bay with drone band width. as the introduction of the currently non public salvage drone.

* and extra mid slot.

* a slight increase in CPU.

* to go with the ship the introduction of the mid and large tractor beams.

* some turret hard points for gas harvesters (i may see a slight problem as it might be the case that CCP has intended this ship not to have offensive abilities(but thats up to CCP to comment), so maybe a revamp of of the GH's to not rely on turret hard points maybe a better idea)

* for this ship in general to fill more than one role in the game...

I like this ship and what CCP is intending... i would just like to see if CCP would like to comment on the suggestions others have made, as personally i wouldn't want them to be forgotten...

i would also like to ask as to weather this extras that other players have suggested would imbalance the ship?

(my idea) Lastly as i was intrigued by the idea of using this new ship for WH op's, maybe add a small probe bonus, as ninja's will be using this ship anyhow....

There has been a mention of a T2 version, so if not placing these ideas in this t1, maybe make the T2 a fullon Utility/salvage/exploration/gas harvest ship... and if so please add more mid and low slots for ether an armor or shield tank as it would be much needed.

Kindly and respectfully awaiting CCP's reply... and also thoughts and input from the community..

Much love and A star marks so far for the ship... much needed.

more ideas to come



I believe that the above ideas would please the eve community in large scale and the game enjoyment, as well as provide an excellent ship for the mini professions that ccp has implemented and this might be the next step in salvaging/hacking/etc.


i also have some ideas, some of them are similar to the above.

* The drone bay makes perfect sense, as it has no hard points ... ( the hard points would be nice, but not a must)

* The scan Resolution could be higher too. it can only tractor beam the fleet/personal wrecks ...

* a couple skills exclusive from the new ship could also be introduced on the character sheet and benefit any other ship, but be more significant with the new bonus of that ship, like :
- salvager/tractor beam cap usage reduction (-5% x 5 levels - total -25% cap activation)
and :
- salvager/tractor beam activation range (+10% x5 levels - total +50% range)
- Salvager activation duration (-5% x 5 levels - total -25% Duration)

this skills would benefit everyone.


* How about seeding the Primae too, and allow medium and high slot (for mwd and cloak, so it would be useful in low sec/null sec)



LordElfa
Gallente
Golden Lyon Warriors
Posted - 2010.09.27 21:51:00 - [228]
 

I love the design, I love the bonuses and I love the concept. However, the ship is ruined and broken without a drone bay. Even a measly 25/25 bay would have been something, but being absolutely defenseless ruins the ship IMO. Many of us dedicated salvagers do high sec ratting for extra salvage and this ship is useless for that role. All this is good for without some kind of offense is to run after your fleet during missions and sweep up which makes this less of a ship and more of a broom/dustpan.

Give it a frackin drone bay or its not worth the cost. As others have stated, all of the other ore ships have at least some kind of drone bay. Give it a 25/25 and we'll be satisfied, give it a 50/50 and we'll be happy, but give it a 125/125 and we'll pleasure the CCP staff. Wink

Bruder Predaiter
Posted - 2010.09.28 11:29:00 - [229]
 

The last eve expansion was for industrial and pve. the next one is the same with 2 sensless ships. a salvager ship for pvp? or a faction mom, for the 10 guys that can afford it?

i think it is the sign for a sinking eve!!

Chemical Property
Posted - 2010.09.28 16:36:00 - [230]
 

I wish this expansion has more stuff in it... as far as WE KNOW, i dont feel like i am not interested

Other than that the ship seems good and the expansion's incursions even better.

bliz80
Posted - 2010.09.28 16:45:00 - [231]
 

very nice ship im sure i will own one...



with that said, there goes the salvage/rig market. as someone else all ready said time to offload all the salvage/rigs i have before the prices drop....

LordElfa
Gallente
Golden Lyon Warriors
Posted - 2010.09.28 16:53:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: Bruder Predaiter
The last eve expansion was for industrial and pve. the next one is the same with 2 sensless ships. a salvager ship for pvp? or a faction mom, for the 10 guys that can afford it?

i think it is the sign for a sinking eve!!


Don't be a negative Nancy. Besides, CCP can't make everything for pirates, even though you now make up practically 80% of the entire game population, its like Space Pirates Online as it is. I think they should make something new for the pirates though, perhaps a low sec NPC rat that hunts pirates below 5.0 when ever they enter low sec space. It would make being a pirate more challenging and give those poor pirates who sit around all day with nobody to kill something to do.

ARRR!

Katy Ling
Gallente
Sebiestor Heavy Industries
Posted - 2010.09.28 18:18:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Chemical Property
I wish this expansion has more stuff in it... as far as WE KNOW, i dont feel like i am not interested

Other than that the ship seems good and the expansion's incursions even better.



i agree, the new ship is a very welcome content, but it still seems a bit short. hope that there's a bit more content soon, a few new ships, even if based on existent hulls, or some remaking of the ugly ships, the destroyers face lift and improvement would be nice.

Mey Xing
Gallente
Posted - 2010.09.29 08:07:00 - [234]
 

New Ship? looks like yet another ship with a new paint job and some altered attributes.

I really wish CCP can learn to be more creative and come up with totally new ships for different tasks, instead of giving it a different paint job , changing and attribute here and there and going : "There ya go we have a new ship for you" (Yawn)

Pffffft


Akara Ito
Amarr
Kriegsmarinewerft
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.09.29 13:26:00 - [235]
 

Will be a nice ship for mission runners and miners

Xpaulusx
Perkone
Posted - 2010.09.29 15:03:00 - [236]
 

As a dedicated salvager i approve and endorse this product. Cool

Vaneshi SnowCrash
Posted - 2010.09.29 16:18:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: Dr Cedric
So wait...now we have a dedicated salvager...

Destroyers are back in the trash bin now!

I vote for Electronics support ships for the next T2 destroyer...yay


Destroyers useless? Erm.... ok... sure.

Guess you've never seen a swarm of them in action. Vicious little buggers if you let them breed :S

LordElfa
Gallente
Golden Lyon Warriors
Posted - 2010.09.29 17:15:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: Mey Xing
New Ship? looks like yet another ship with a new paint job and some altered attributes.

I really wish CCP can learn to be more creative and come up with totally new ships for different tasks, instead of giving it a different paint job , changing and attribute here and there and going : "There ya go we have a new ship for you" (Yawn)

Pffffft




Madness!! Madness I say!! Don't you know that designing and implementing a new ship for EVE requires hundreds of men and thousands of man hours! There must be rigorous testing to insure its free of bugs. It must not be susceptible to pirates or its cost abused my market traders. It must be well rounded, able to take on any mission, unaffected by...

...oh wait, sorry, this is EVE, my bad. Carry on.Twisted Evil

Bruder Predaiter
Posted - 2010.09.30 13:13:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: LordElfa
Originally by: Bruder Predaiter
The last eve expansion was for industrial and pve. the next one is the same with 2 sensless ships. a salvager ship for pvp? or a faction mom, for the 10 guys that can afford it?

i think it is the sign for a sinking eve!!


Don't be a negative Nancy. Besides, CCP can't make everything for pirates, even though you now make up practically 80% of the entire game population, its like Space Pirates Online as it is. I think they should make something new for the pirates though, perhaps a low sec NPC rat that hunts pirates below 5.0 when ever they enter low sec space. It would make being a pirate more challenging and give those poor pirates who sit around all day with nobody to kill something to do.

ARRR!


Yeah you are right, they can not do the patches alone for the pirates but ccp should not forget the pvp people in this game. what happen the last patch and next patch.ugh

And no pirat need to rat npc in low, we are killing people and dont want to carebear. When you go carebearing you are wrong as a pirate. Rolling Eyes

At first the should work against the lags, make the Killmail right, stop the cloak mwd thing and so on. Thats urgend!!!!

I am not happy with CCP atm, like a lot of other players.

Reyna Neens
Posted - 2010.09.30 15:28:00 - [240]
 

Good move introducing a very efficient salvaging ship. I know that since the last expansion I stopped looting and salvaging because it took too long and was rarely worth the effort anymore. Now I might have to reconsider it. I don't know how many others there are like me, but it should help clean up the wrecks cluttering space.


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