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Krispy Dingo
Minmatar
The Night Crew
Posted - 2010.09.18 00:11:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Shosuro Ayame
Originally by: Krispy Dingo
Edited by: Krispy Dingo on 17/09/2010 23:16:05
Originally by: Jade Tranquility
Edited by: Jade Tranquility on 17/09/2010 21:32:10
I certainly won't be abandoning my salvage destroyers for this overpriced, useless ship. And until you decide to seed these things in hisec, I'm not sure how many people are going to be dumb enough to go die trying to get it from where you will be offering it. Please start seeding these in hisec, and stop feeding the asshats who live down in outer ring easy kills



Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.


You missed the point. Getting said books and BPO's are going to be an utter pain in the ass. It's nullsec. It's going to be camped to hell because it's funny making people lose 390mil for every BPO they're trying to get out.


Please tell me you're joking. EVE players must be total pansies now.

Let's see, Hulk, now it did come out before my time, but it is an ORE ship. That means it was seeded in the Outer Rings, right? Bought one for my mining alt in Jita.

Orca, came out after I started playing, and I know or damn sure it was seeded in the Outer Rings. Bought one of those in Jita as well.

So people are going to camp gates, BFD, if you're that worried take a T3 with cloak and bubble invulnerability and go get some. If you're worth your salt, all you need is a cov ops, though. Books and BPOs are pretty damn small, afterall.

Trimutius III
Avalon Guards
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2010.09.18 00:15:00 - [92]
 

Awesome ship!!!
With level 4 tractor will work 68 km... And with level 5 it will be 80 km and 4 times faster speed. It's just great. No need to fly around, most of the missions will be possible to salvage without moving at all... and 1460 cargo is pretty handy...

El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar
Meltdown Luftfahrttechnik
Posted - 2010.09.18 00:20:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: El''essar Viocragh on 18/09/2010 00:25:58
After consulting with my crystal ball, I see a T2 version of the Noctis with bonuses to gas cloud harvesting in the near future.

@Kripsy: Orca was seeded in empire as well, because of a joint-venture of ORE with some caldari corp. Hulk BPOs were probably not handed out in Outer Ring, ORE has no R+D Agents if I remember correctly (before my time too). The last ship with an exclusive Outer Ring release was the Rorqual. I'm really glad Chronotis went with the straight ORE release again.

And yes, just like with the Rorqual, Outer Ring will be crowded the first week after release.

Sophie Malaster
Heavy industries Shinohara
ARTESANOS
Posted - 2010.09.18 00:20:00 - [94]
 

Thx yoy CCP!!! Very HappyVery Happy

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.09.18 00:24:00 - [95]
 

No turrets or launcher hardpoints. Crying or Very sad

I was wanting to do some lul high sec pvp with it too...

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2010.09.18 00:30:00 - [96]
 

Very nice, I had the limited edition but, well, it was useless compared to any serious hauler.
This is actually usefull for me and gives me an excuse to fly it \o/

Shosuro Ayame
Zurillian Research and Development Corp
Enlightened Violence
Posted - 2010.09.18 00:36:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: Shosuro Ayame on 18/09/2010 00:42:37
Originally by: Krispy Dingo
Originally by: Shosuro Ayame
Originally by: Krispy Dingo
Edited by: Krispy Dingo on 17/09/2010 23:16:05
Originally by: Jade Tranquility
Edited by: Jade Tranquility on 17/09/2010 21:32:10
I certainly won't be abandoning my salvage destroyers for this overpriced, useless ship. And until you decide to seed these things in hisec, I'm not sure how many people are going to be dumb enough to go die trying to get it from where you will be offering it. Please start seeding these in hisec, and stop feeding the asshats who live down in outer ring easy kills



Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.


You missed the point. Getting said books and BPO's are going to be an utter pain in the ass. It's nullsec. It's going to be camped to hell because it's funny making people lose 390mil for every BPO they're trying to get out.


Please tell me you're joking. EVE players must be total pansies now.

Let's see, Hulk, now it did come out before my time, but it is an ORE ship. That means it was seeded in the Outer Rings, right? Bought one for my mining alt in Jita.

Orca, came out after I started playing, and I know or damn sure it was seeded in the Outer Rings. Bought one of those in Jita as well.

So people are going to camp gates, BFD, if you're that worried take a T3 with cloak and bubble invulnerability and go get some. If you're worth your salt, all you need is a cov ops, though. Books and BPOs are pretty damn small, afterall.


You make several assumptions that are pretty hilarious. I was pointing out you missed the point. I don't think someone from null sec is going to worry about it too much. The general populace of Eve doesn't tend to go down there.

Yes. They are wusses.

Not everyone is as venerated as yourself. As for me? Well, yeah, I can walk out there in my cov ops boat, grab some, and then walk back. If I thought it was worth the money. It isn't. Destroyers are very likely going to remain the primary way that the general populace will use to do their salvage. A destroyer with the salvage tackles (cheap and easy to make might I add) and a half awake player putting them together will work just fine.

Get off your money endowed high horse and use some common sense.

Also, Jade was not saying they were seeding ships. Read her post and actually try to understand it.

Ti'anla
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.09.18 00:38:00 - [98]
 

A thank heavens', I was so afraid the Primae would go to waste.

Thank you! x.x

EvilPixills
Posted - 2010.09.18 01:37:00 - [99]
 

Edited by: EvilPixills on 18/09/2010 01:41:52
Originally by: Krispy Dingo
Originally by: Shosuro Ayame
Originally by: Krispy Dingo
Edited by: Krispy Dingo on 17/09/2010 23:16:05
Originally by: Jade Tranquility
Edited by: Jade Tranquility on 17/09/2010 21:32:10
I certainly won't be abandoning my salvage destroyers for this overpriced, useless ship. And until you decide to seed these things in hisec, I'm not sure how many people are going to be dumb enough to go die trying to get it from where you will be offering it. Please start seeding these in hisec, and stop feeding the asshats who live down in outer ring easy kills



Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.


You missed the point. Getting said books and BPO's are going to be an utter pain in the ass. It's nullsec. It's going to be camped to hell because it's funny making people lose 390mil for every BPO they're trying to get out.


Please tell me you're joking. EVE players must be total pansies now.

Let's see, Hulk, now it did come out before my time, but it is an ORE ship. That means it was seeded in the Outer Rings, right? Bought one for my mining alt in Jita.

Orca, came out after I started playing, and I know or damn sure it was seeded in the Outer Rings. Bought one of those in Jita as well.

So people are going to camp gates, BFD, if you're that worried take a T3 with cloak and bubble invulnerability and go get some. If you're worth your salt, all you need is a cov ops, though. Books and BPOs are pretty damn small, afterall.


Exactly.
Any experienced EVE player will know what the consequences are for jumping into null and attempting to come back out with some pricey gear, and any said EVE player will and SHOULD take the necessary precautions in order to be successful. Cloakies are your friend. Grab what you need and wait for the hype to die down, it's that simple.

Props CCP, dig the new texture on the hull as well.

Arnold Predator
Special Situations
Posted - 2010.09.18 02:51:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Krispy Dingo
So people are going to camp gates, BFD, if you're that worried take a T3 with cloak and bubble invulnerability and go get some.


I will be doing this... its makes null sec a joke to fly in. They can't see/stop me. T3s work great for transporting things out of null/low sec. Granted... using a t3 for a hailer is like driving a Ferrari to deliver the mail. :(

Fulton Actual
Posted - 2010.09.18 03:13:00 - [101]
 

50m3 Drone Bay!

I completely agree, even a salvage ship should have some minor ability to defend itself.

LordSwift
Caldari
The Riot Act
Sacra Cupola
Posted - 2010.09.18 03:26:00 - [102]
 

great ship and all. just one query. Why is the biggest carebear company. i.e ORE based out in outer rings in lawless space? is it just one of those things that was done at the beginning of eve and just forgot about?

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2010.09.18 03:36:00 - [103]
 

I just love the fact that the price on this ship is going to make it a prime gank target for griefers, at least in the early, expensive days.

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.09.18 03:43:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 17/09/2010 22:26:58
Originally by: Gil Danastre
For anyone who can do the math, with bonuses at level 5, what is the speed/range of a tractor beam?
80km

at 2km/s

Shocked (At a far more reasonable lvl IV, you get 68km @1700m/s)
Yikes! better hope the guys on Tbeam duty are on there tootsies

Mega Docent
Posted - 2010.09.18 04:09:00 - [105]
 

Cool!
I'm happy.

Zorraldy
Posted - 2010.09.18 04:31:00 - [106]
 

So will the BPs be seeded for ever or are they limited release? Because it would be sweet if they were only seeded for a month or something.

Ela Hako
Posted - 2010.09.18 04:34:00 - [107]
 

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

If you want to play with it in EFT:

http://eve-files.com/dl/229665 Backup your eft\Data\Skills.dat and Ships.dat file and overwrite them with the contents of this file





Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.09.18 06:11:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Krispy Dingo
[

Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.



Exactly. Unless the ORE industrial skillbook is available outside of ORE stations the problem will not be getting the hull, a couple of weeks and we will get it in Jita at bargain cost (lacking the ME research, granted), but the skillbooks.

If those need to be imported from Outer Ring the overhead will be fairly large.


Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2010.09.18 06:28:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Krispy Dingo
[

Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.



Exactly. Unless the ORE industrial skillbook is available outside of ORE stations the problem will not be getting the hull, a couple of weeks and we will get it in Jita at bargain cost (lacking the ME research, granted), but the skillbooks.

If those need to be imported from Outer Ring the overhead will be fairly large.




Why would that be the case? Skill books have the same low volume as BPOs, so if you can easily get one of the items to highsec you can get the other the same way.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.09.18 06:41:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: Venkul Mul on 18/09/2010 06:41:35
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Krispy Dingo
[

Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.



Exactly. Unless the ORE industrial skillbook is available outside of ORE stations the problem will not be getting the hull, a couple of weeks and we will get it in Jita at bargain cost (lacking the ME research, granted), but the skillbooks.

If those need to be imported from Outer Ring the overhead will be fairly large.




Why would that be the case? Skill books have the same low volume as BPOs, so if you can easily get one of the items to highsec you can get the other the same way.



1 BPO can produce infinite amounts of ships, at the speed of 7,2/day with a unresearched BPO and a character with no PE. As soon as some hundred are in high sec and producing market will be saturated.

1 skill book can be used by 1 character. Period.

Seem fairly easy to grasp why the ship will have a small surcharge and the book a large one.



Akira Yamasara
Posted - 2010.09.18 07:43:00 - [111]
 

Do i see correctly that no turret hardpoints are there?.. such a shame,.. would be great if it could fit gascloud harvesters as well.. then the ship could fill 2 dedicated roles. Maybe increase the CPU a bit so it can fit 5 GCH-II's ?

Any chance of looking into that pls pls pls ???

Erik Finnegan
Gallente
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
Posted - 2010.09.18 07:48:00 - [112]
 

Applause, applause, applause...

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.09.18 08:20:00 - [113]
 

Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 18/09/2010 08:23:19
10 max locked targets... better train that Multitasking skill now!

Originally by: Ela Hako
If you want to play with it in EFT:

http://eve-files.com/dl/229665 Backup your eft\Data\Skills.dat and Ships.dat file and overwrite them with the contents of this file

Doesn't work for me, EFT says "Invalid floating point operation" when I try to create a new setup, and then shows no slots.

How is it with cap stability? The 5% bonus to cycle time will also make tractors eat more cap over time. 155 m/s unmodified speed seems kinda low, that's about battleship level. This will be especially annoying in missions or plexes with several gates. Could it run a MWD for a reasonable period of time?

Also, last point, remove the stupid tractor beam restrictions. I want to loot the battlefield! Twisted Evil

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.09.18 09:31:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Originally by: Sgt Blade
Very awesome, although if these BPO's are only in Outer Ring then I expect those stations to be camped like hell for a few days after release Laughing


Yeah, I'm kinda assuming that anyone with 390m to spend will be able to work out for themselves that OR will be gank city on day 1 Wink

Quotes like this proves how out-of-touch the developers are with the playerbase...

Xaeltis
Amarr
Suns Of Korhal
Posted - 2010.09.18 09:44:00 - [115]
 

CCP, you're a godsend. Smile

T'san Manaan
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.09.18 10:34:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Originally by: Sgt Blade
Very awesome, although if these BPO's are only in Outer Ring then I expect those stations to be camped like hell for a few days after release Laughing


Yeah, I'm kinda assuming that anyone with 390m to spend will be able to work out for themselves that OR will be gank city on day 1 Wink

Quotes like this proves how out-of-touch the developers are with the playerbase...


Wow, I made the exact opposite conclusion from that statement. If you cant figure out how to get through a few gate camps hauling some BPOs and Skillbooks you don't deserve the profit anyways. Wait a few weeks until the high-sec market is flooded and stabilizes then you can get your risk free BPO and skills at a slightly higher price.

Tharill daSai
Caldari
Serringer Arms Inc
Free United Spirits
Posted - 2010.09.18 10:39:00 - [117]
 

Typically, just after I purchased the skills for my to become Salvaging alt to fly the Hurricane.

Yay, want now, pretty please

Spacing Cowboy
Caldari
Rule of Five
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2010.09.18 10:46:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: Spacing Cowboy on 18/09/2010 10:47:26
If they seed it in 0.0 , couple of DT runs will solve the
problem of getting the books and bpo ,

Nice profit$ can be made for the daring / skilled, the one's who don't
want to risk it , will be happy to pay a premium for those.

But, my guess is, they will also seed them in highsec like the crystals/mods/orca

* starts up jumpplanner *

ninja edit, great move of releasing this ship, love it.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.09.18 11:06:00 - [119]
 

Very nice to see a non-combat orientated ship being released. Considering the ratio between combat and non-combat ships and the amount of non-combat related occupations I feel there is plenty of room for more "civilian" types of ships.

Mel'zor
Posted - 2010.09.18 11:10:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: Mel''zor on 18/09/2010 11:10:44
Awezome!!
We want more ORE Industrial Ships Razz


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