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Tsabrock
Gallente
Circle of Friends
Posted - 2010.09.17 20:54:00 - [61]
 

I've used an Interdictor for my dedicated salvaging ship, although I do like the looks of this one. The one thing I'd like to see on the ship is a drone bay. Every ORE ship that exists has drone bay large enough to field a wing of light drones. Even the Orca has a good-sized drone bay. Granted, this is being classified as an Industrial ship, but then how many Industrials have 8 high-slots?

Shinde Kudasai
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.09.17 20:58:00 - [62]
 

Made a lot of people happy with this one :)

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.09.17 21:04:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 17/09/2010 21:07:59
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Shandir
60m is a steal for what this boat does.
Nothing my destroyer can't do 2 times slower for 1/150 of that cost. compare 2 and 150 now.
It's not just going to be 2 times slower…

…for one, this thing covers 64× the volume in the exact same amount of time. For another, it's base capacity beats the tar out of your destroyer, thus beating your destroyer at more than 2:1 on travel alone.

Oh, and the build price is at worst 50% higher than a BC… it's the bargain of the century for what it does.

kano donn
New Path
Posted - 2010.09.17 21:10:00 - [64]
 

\o/

CCP = gods

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2010.09.17 21:13:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 17/09/2010 21:07:59
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Shandir
60m is a steal for what this boat does.
Nothing my destroyer can't do 2 times slower for 1/150 of that cost. compare 2 and 150 now.
It's not just going to be 2 times slower…

…for one, this thing covers 64× the volume in the exact same amount of time. For another, it's base capacity beats the tar out of your destroyer, thus beating your destroyer at more than 2:1 on travel alone.

Oh, and the build price is at worst 50% higher than a BC… it's the bargain of the century for what it does.


Not to mention that in EVE you tend to pay a premium for that extra bit of efficiency. Think about it:
Hulks aren't THAT much better than Covetors, yet you pay massively for them.

Jade Tranquility
Posted - 2010.09.17 21:28:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Jade Tranquility on 17/09/2010 21:32:10
So, CCP is making an industrial ship that is intended for hisec mission runners to be only accesible in nullsec until a pilot, unlikely to be accustomed to the area, goes to pick up the required objects. What?
The ORE line of ships should not be originating out of nullsec at all if they are intended for hisec use. The only exhumers I know of that are at all designed for nullsec use are the skiff and the hulk, yet the skiff can't tank anything, nor do I think a hulk can tank a nullsec belt spawn.

The skillset you need for most ore ships is expensive enough. Make ore ships more readily available to hisec players so that they don't die trying to get these things to use in hisec.

I certainly won't be abandoning my salvage destroyers for this overpriced, useless ship. And until you decide to seed these things in hisec, I'm not sure how many people are going to be dumb enough to go die trying to get it from where you will be offering it. Please start seeding these in hisec, and stop feeding the asshats who live down in outer ring easy kills

Rexthor Hammerfists
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.09.17 21:28:00 - [67]
 

A salvaging ship fills a role that no other ship or class had before, good idea and also well balanced.

Maybe also a good opportunity to look at the quite few t1 frigs and cruisers that either lack a role or cannot fulfill theirs due to weak fittings or attributes. As example the "Condor" is supposed to be a tackler but cannot mwdand warp disrupt due to cap, if ab and warp disrupt the merlin is better if mwd and warp scram the merlin is still better.

There are alot of ships in eve that are rarely if ever used or could simply do with a slight buff - since the Paper-Stone-Scissors lives through variety and is eves biggest pvp appeal, it would only make sense to spend time on this, to me atleast :)

Jade Tranquility
Posted - 2010.09.17 21:34:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
A salvaging ship fills a role that no other ship or class had before, good idea and also well balanced.

Maybe also a good opportunity to look at the quite few t1 frigs and cruisers that either lack a role or cannot fulfill theirs due to weak fittings or attributes. As example the "Condor" is supposed to be a tackler but cannot mwdand warp disrupt due to cap, if ab and warp disrupt the merlin is better if mwd and warp scram the merlin is still better.

There are alot of ships in eve that are rarely if ever used or could simply do with a slight buff - since the Paper-Stone-Scissors lives through variety and is eves biggest pvp appeal, it would only make sense to spend time on this, to me atleast :)


Look at what I bolded. Condors are never used as a tackler, merlins and rifters are

Dr Cedric
Caldari
Orbital Industry and Research.
Posted - 2010.09.17 21:34:00 - [69]
 

So wait...now we have a dedicated salvager...

Destroyers are back in the trash bin now!

I vote for Electronics support ships for the next T2 destroyer...yay

Hemmo Paskiainen
Gallente
Posted - 2010.09.17 21:35:00 - [70]
 

I am dissapointed, instead of fixing Black Ops u invent another ship

FFS Fix it pleeeeaasseee

Rexthor Hammerfists
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.09.17 21:48:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Jade Tranquility
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
A salvaging ship fills a role that no other ship or class had before, good idea and also well balanced.

Maybe also a good opportunity to look at the quite few t1 frigs and cruisers that either lack a role or cannot fulfill theirs due to weak fittings or attributes. As example the "Condor" is supposed to be a tackler but cannot mwdand warp disrupt due to cap, if ab and warp disrupt the merlin is better if mwd and warp scram the merlin is still better.

There are alot of ships in eve that are rarely if ever used or could simply do with a slight buff - since the Paper-Stone-Scissors lives through variety and is eves biggest pvp appeal, it would only make sense to spend time on this, to me atleast :)


Look at what I bolded. Condors are never used as a tackler, merlins and rifters are


Exactly my point

Merende Macaco
Posted - 2010.09.17 22:01:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Merende Macaco on 17/09/2010 22:02:27
Hmm, stick a cloak on it and maybe some nano in the lows, just the ticket for ninja salvaging fleet battlegrounds.
Agreed it needs a 25 m³ drone bay though.

Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Posted - 2010.09.17 22:14:00 - [73]
 

Hey, wouldn't the release of this ship also be the time to make wrecks probable again?

(Wrecks are small and do not have functioning electronics in them. Probing them should be hard and slow. I am NOT asking for a faster way to gank mission runners ... I just want it to be possible to get at abandoned, rotting wreck fields in my shiny new Noctis.)


Gil Danastre
Amarr
JAF-CO Exploration
Posted - 2010.09.17 22:20:00 - [74]
 

For anyone who can do the math, with bonuses at level 5, what is the speed/range of a tractor beam?

Kragaar
Posted - 2010.09.17 22:21:00 - [75]
 

Yes! Can't wait. Very Happy

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.09.17 22:21:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 17/09/2010 22:26:58
Originally by: Gil Danastre
For anyone who can do the math, with bonuses at level 5, what is the speed/range of a tractor beam?
80km…

…at 2km/s…

Shocked (At a far more reasonable lvl IV, you get 68km @ 1700m/s)

Rikki Sals
Caldari
Posted - 2010.09.17 22:24:00 - [77]
 

Sweetness!! Cool

Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.09.17 22:32:00 - [78]
 

I think no one mentioned this yet, but ... CCP? Using "Noctis" as a variation of a "Primae" is a terrible joke. Laughing

Zekyll
Posted - 2010.09.17 23:05:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Tonto Auri
Reduce all numbers ten times and it MAY BE became useful.
60 mil build cost for a damned salvager - my destroyer overthrow it by a huge margin.

You don't know what you're talking about. People would pay billions for this ship. In fact I'm gonna be a douche here and say that CCP should increase the cost considerably:

Firstly, because the ship is simply too good for its price. I'd say currently you get at least 60M/h of loot and salvage with a dedicated salvager. Noctis does it twice as fast so it pays itself back in one hour.

Secondly, because there should always be room for improvement if you have money to burn. Getting the perfect salvage ship for only 60M doesn't sound right. Sure you can fit T2 salvage tackles on it but it's still not expensive. And there's not even officer Expanded Cargoholds or anything. Crying or Very sad

Thirdly, too specialized ships take all the fun decision making out of the game. People don't have to make difficult choices anymore if CCP basically tells us that we should use ship A for this purpose and ship B for that purpose. Now every noob will be using Noctis for salvaging.

And finally, because there is no need to encourage hisec mission running. It's already too profitable.

Xearal
Minmatar
SOL Industries
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2010.09.17 23:12:00 - [80]
 

Ohh.. I love this baby.. so.. when can we see the skill and ship on the market?

Krispy Dingo
Minmatar
The Night Crew
Posted - 2010.09.17 23:15:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Krispy Dingo on 17/09/2010 23:16:05
Originally by: Jade Tranquility
Edited by: Jade Tranquility on 17/09/2010 21:32:10
I certainly won't be abandoning my salvage destroyers for this overpriced, useless ship. And until you decide to seed these things in hisec, I'm not sure how many people are going to be dumb enough to go die trying to get it from where you will be offering it. Please start seeding these in hisec, and stop feeding the asshats who live down in outer ring easy kills



Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.

Kickin Urass
Posted - 2010.09.17 23:24:00 - [82]
 

Excellent!!

Its a great looking ship - I'm really glad it'll have a use.


Cygwin Gaad
Caldari
The Element Syndicate
Blazing Angels Alliance
Posted - 2010.09.17 23:29:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Tonto Auri
Edited by: Tonto Auri on 17/09/2010 20:54:57
Originally by: Shandir
60m is a steal for what this boat does.


Nothing my destroyer can't do 2 times slower for 1/150 of that cost. compare 2 and 150 now.

Quote:
Your math above is flawed

No. I'm comparing potential of one hull to potential of another hull.
Not comparing certain fittings (where, yes, you should compare what it does).

Originally by: Tippia
It's a special-purpose battlecruiser — being as cheap to build as a normal BC is entirely reasonable due to its limitations.


Aww, sorry my noobness, which of the non-special-purpose battlecruisers cost 60mil to build?
I'm seeing only those around 20-25mil.


Then dont buy one.
seriously, vote with your wallet.

i personally have 60m to throw at a salvaging ship and the isk for a bpo. im sure many other happy people will too. Catalyst is still good for ninja salvaging too.

so we get a shiny new ship and the destroyers new lease on life has been cut back. so those that cant afford a noctis will fly dessies and those that can will upgrade.

i approve ccp, this goes in line with your pledge to make the next two expansions more about polish while still throwing us a new feature or ship.

Shosuro Ayame
Zurillian Research and Development Corp
Enlightened Violence
Posted - 2010.09.17 23:30:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Krispy Dingo
Edited by: Krispy Dingo on 17/09/2010 23:16:05
Originally by: Jade Tranquility
Edited by: Jade Tranquility on 17/09/2010 21:32:10
I certainly won't be abandoning my salvage destroyers for this overpriced, useless ship. And until you decide to seed these things in hisec, I'm not sure how many people are going to be dumb enough to go die trying to get it from where you will be offering it. Please start seeding these in hisec, and stop feeding the asshats who live down in outer ring easy kills



Reread the dev blog, they are not seeding SHIPS, the are seeding SKILL BOOKS and BPOs.

People will make the ships wherever they want, transport the skill books to HiSec for a profit, and everything will be just like all the other skills and BPOs seeded in the game.


You missed the point. Getting said books and BPO's are going to be an utter pain in the ass. It's nullsec. It's going to be camped to hell because it's funny making people lose 390mil for every BPO they're trying to get out.

Tian Shasair
Posted - 2010.09.17 23:38:00 - [85]
 

Yus! So looking forward to this ship! Thanks CCP... I like shineys. :)

Star P'ergish
Posted - 2010.09.17 23:44:00 - [86]
 

Ok it is my understanding everyone and his cousin will buy one and not only mission runners but 0.0 guys too (salvaging/looting a battlefield will be piece of cake).

My question is what will I use my Marauder for since getting a faction BS and Noctis will be a must from now on?

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2010.09.17 23:54:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Star P'ergish
Ok it is my understanding everyone and his cousin will buy one and not only mission runners but 0.0 guys too (salvaging/looting a battlefield will be piece of cake).

My question is what will I use my Marauder for since getting a faction BS and Noctis will be a must from now on?


Use it for what it was always for, blitzing through a mission whilest at the same time either setting up to make the salvage op much easier by tractoring all the wrecks together or just cherry picking the best wrecks and leaving the rest for the ninjas. Extra money with very little added time per mission, I believe thats worth the cost of a marauder.

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.09.17 23:58:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: BeanBagKing on 18/09/2010 00:04:39
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Reduce all numbers ten times and it MAY BE became useful.
60 mil build cost for a damned salvager - my destroyer overthrow it by a huge margin.
There's just no field for such unproportionally overexpensive othervise-useless boat.
It should cost no more than a Covetor to build.
considering many people consider the hurricane to be the best salvage ship it really isn't that much more expensive.
…in fact, considering how it's become increasingly common for people to use T3 ships to get to similar bonuses, it's downright dirt cheap.


This, I actually use a T3 Salvager, it's nice to finally see a ship dedicated to this role, although I now feel like the T3 skills were wasted on my industrial alt :(

I agree this is more than a fair price for the hull, hell, I expected it to be more expensive (paid on the order of 10x that for my T3). To those *****ing about the BPO location/price, give it a week, at the most, and you will see copies all over Jita, and every other trade hub. Industrial pilots can make money by seeding these elsewhere, therefor they will be seeded elsewhere by those players.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.09.17 23:58:00 - [89]
 

About time. This ship is long over due.


Cpt Underpants
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.09.18 00:11:00 - [90]
 

Seed it, SEED IT NOW!


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