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Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.09.16 19:54:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Riley Martin
Originally by: Oricalchum
Real life politics have no place on the forum. - Adida


I didn't get to read this post, but isn't this whole thing about real life politics?


No, it's about humanitarian aid.

-Liang

Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2010.09.17 00:02:00 - [32]
 

IMO CCP should just donate to Pakistan if they want to donate to pakistan and leave the players out of it.

I already donated actual money through the red cross so, no, I'm not being a cruel sadistic person. I just think that if CCP wants to make like they're donating to a cause they should actually...y'know..... donate... not milk players for more money.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.09.17 00:19:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Taram Caldar
IMO CCP should just donate to Pakistan if they want to donate to pakistan and leave the players out of it.

I already donated actual money through the red cross so, no, I'm not being a cruel sadistic person. I just think that if CCP wants to make like they're donating to a cause they should actually...y'know..... donate... not milk players for more money.


Can you please justify your statement that CCP is milking the player base on this? Seems to me that the net income for CCP is actually negative, considering there are handling costs on those PLEX. In fact, it seems to me that what CCP is actually doing is facilitating the player base's desire to help someone else in need.

-Liang

Monkey M3n
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.09.17 07:12:00 - [34]
 

great idea!

But i dont support this

Removed a political accusation. Replaced it with the word this. - Adida

Stealthy
Imperial Guardians
Blazing Angels Alliance
Posted - 2010.09.18 08:08:00 - [35]
 

kudos for PLEX for Pakistan CCP

but why not take direct cash donations from players as well

I dont use PLEX but would donate some cash if a mechanism was avaliable

Syekuda
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2010.09.18 14:33:00 - [36]
 

I dont believe in giving cash when someone needs help financially. Given items or "stuff" they need is better in my opinion. There's less chance of corruption if we give those needed items. Think of red cross for example or sending nurses and doctors instead.

I could give other examples but you guys get the idea.

General Domination
Posted - 2010.09.19 10:47:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: General Domination on 19/09/2010 10:53:31
Dear CCP,

thank you for that offer, but it would be great if we can also pay with ISK, for people who canīt pay a it, because they donīt have enough in Game Money. Let us spend and you buy the PLEX for it, that would increase the amount and doesnīt reduce you profit because the PLEX are already payed.

Further its a shame that some players complaining about that idea.

CubeHamster
Posted - 2010.09.19 19:43:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: CubeHamster on 19/09/2010 19:44:52
Its a bit silly and I'm probably just seeing ghosts and I have no idea on what scale people are donating PLEX's. And CCP probably means well.

But it bugs me that CCP could benefit from this form of charity. Donations to charity are tax deductable.

So to sum it up:

You give money to CCP.
CCP donates money to Pakistan.
CCP reports donation to tax collectors office.
CCP pays less tax.

But then again I wonder how many people are donating there PLEX's. And if CCP would be evil enough to profit in such a way. I know I would. Twisted Evil

Unawa
Caldari
Miskatonic The wee free men
Posted - 2010.09.19 22:31:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Syekuda
I dont believe in giving cash when someone needs help financially. Given items or "stuff" they need is better in my opinion. There's less chance of corruption if we give those needed items. Think of red cross for example or sending nurses and doctors instead.

I could give other examples but you guys get the idea.


Why do you think this isn't what's happening? I've been assuming that the money goes to aid organisations, which then get "stuff" to give to those in need. I'll admit, I haven't read CCP's FAQ on the topic.

Nangil
Posted - 2010.09.20 11:51:00 - [40]
 

i think its smells bad. ahmed-pasha-assalamshvarbarmar will take all money and no real help for people. YARRRR!!

Creiger Rykov
Posted - 2010.09.21 21:39:00 - [41]
 

Not to be a killjoy, but technically isn't this a mass EULA violation in every way? I mean yea, good cause, but it's still taking game currency and converting it to real-world currency, regardless of the intent.

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2010.09.22 14:05:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
CCP Fallout's newest dev blog tells you how you can help those who need help the most by using PLEX.


No, thank you.

You messed up the last time when it came to proper transparency -- and as I can not be sure whether you dump half the PLEX you receive down the drain without paying out any money as promised, I politely decline. Maybe you should consult some third party like Chribba for lotteries!?



MissingNo1
Posted - 2010.09.22 19:14:00 - [43]
 

tbh, if the UK was to flood (and it has done, and we've coped) would pakistan give to us?........hmmmmm

i too politly decline.

Danatious
Posted - 2010.09.22 19:18:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Danatious on 22/09/2010 19:19:24
Originally by: Creiger Rykov
Not to be a killjoy, but technically isn't this a mass EULA violation in every way? I mean yea, good cause, but it's still taking game currency and converting it to real-world currency, regardless of the intent.


this^

Grandmother Sprinkles
Posted - 2010.09.23 01:53:00 - [45]
 

scamming others = ok , scamming CCP's profits gets you banned :p

An Idea: How about donating CASH to the latest cause?

IF you feel the need to donate a PLEX -or- ISKies the most virtuous course would be to donate those items to me so I can better care for my wards, the beloved Space Orphans.

My most gracious thanks;

G.S.

P.S. This is not a scam.

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2010.09.23 18:16:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
CCP Fallout's newest dev blog tells you how you can help those who need help the most by using PLEX.


No, thank you.

You messed up the last time when it came to proper transparency -- and as I can not be sure whether you dump half the PLEX you receive down the drain without paying out any money as promised, I politely decline. Maybe you should consult some third party like Chribba for lotteries!?





You may be interested in reading this dev blog by GM Grimmi talking about everything we received for Haiti. 100% of that was donated.

Oh just found this news article that was posted at the end of the PLEX for Haiti drive talking about the final donation count: http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3733&tid=1

Deaths Minion
Posted - 2010.09.24 01:08:00 - [47]
 

My biggest problem with this is that the in-game market response to the reduction of supply has raised plex prices as much as 50m Isk in some regions. So basically, everyone buying plex atm is paying out for this, even the ones who don't want to or don't feel that they can afford it!

We can skip all the PR about plex being some kind of virtual game thing ... it should be clear to everyone that plex are a representation of real world currency, just like an I.O.U. or gift certificate. Seeing that plex represent real money, CCP needs to be more careful before launching initatives like this one that blatently manipulate the market values.
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Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2010.09.24 04:01:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
CCP Fallout's newest dev blog tells you how you can help those who need help the most by using PLEX.


No, thank you.

You messed up the last time when it came to proper transparency -- and as I can not be sure whether you dump half the PLEX you receive down the drain without paying out any money as promised, I politely decline. Maybe you should consult some third party like Chribba for lotteries!?





You may be interested in reading this dev blog by GM Grimmi talking about everything we received for Haiti. 100% of that was donated.

Oh just found this news article that was posted at the end of the PLEX for Haiti drive talking about the final donation count: http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3733&tid=1


No, I am not interested in rereading old and incomplete stuff over and over again.
I did phone CCP to get some real data and I was about to phone the red cross to have the data confirmed. It felt like in Jita local.

It's a shame you're pointing at incomplete data once again. You had enough time to update the FAQ after my call/email.

a) There was no way to check whether for every single PLEX donation made any money actually got sent! Transparency is not about CCP juggling with numbers to finally paint some number somewhere. Transparency is about _transparency_. You didn't give me any opportunity to check whether you did send any money for the PLEX donated by myself, a simple list of donors could have achieved that.

b) There was no total amount in EUR or whatever currency given in the texts you're pointing to! That's why you stick to the "100% of that" phrase. At least be honest to yourself!

c) There's was no time given when the transferral was made! You did prolong the PLEX for Haiti timespan, didn't you? In a situation where urgent help was required!?!

Enough of this. I donated some money by other means to help suffering Pakistan people and my respect goes to anyone helping others in need without looking for some cheap facebook publicity...

ZZ Stop
Posted - 2010.09.24 07:42:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: ZZ Stop on 24/09/2010 07:52:46
No thanks im not gonna give them eve time to hate my country more. For those of you who gave money to the Red Crosss, they will just use the money to teach the Taliban how to treat battle wounds. It is treason to all the countries that have troops fighting in the middle east.

Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Federal Defense Operations
Posted - 2010.09.24 16:46:00 - [50]
 

I thought the point of making PLEX mobile, was to further emphasize that they are an item like any other. Instead of people associating PLEX with cold hard cash.

So where is the "Please donate T2 medium pulse laser ammo" effort?

Seems to me that asking for PLEX, still shows they're worth cash compared to anything else.

Barbicane
TGUN Industries
Posted - 2010.09.25 18:33:00 - [51]
 

I donated to the Tsunami event (in RL currency - PLEX weren't invented at the time) and I donated to the "PLEX for Haiti event". I will donate to "PLEX for Pakistan" as well, but I'm missing one crucial piece of information:

How much cash will CCP donate for every PLEX I donate? (this info is missing from the FAQ and all other pages I checked.)

Please publish this information ASAP as I'm sure it will help promote further donations to those in need.

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2010.09.28 03:49:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Riley Martin
Originally by: Oricalchum
Real life politics have no place on the forum. - Adida


I didn't get to read this post, but isn't this whole thing about real life politics?


Exactly.

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.09.29 16:34:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Mitsune Konno
Edited by: Mitsune Konno on 15/09/2010 18:18:36
CCP regards any scamming attempts surrounding this effort to be morally reprehensible and they will be met with swiftest action.

^^ isn't that sort of hypocritical? I mean from gameplay to real life, I guess there's a sort of stepping stone in terms of morality, but to intentionally make for plex to be able to be scammed/stolen, in game and then call it "morally reprehensible" if you try to do it to CCP... smells of something bullish.

Edit: This has no bearing on whether or not you should donate to the cause. If you have the money/isk for it, please do. I'm just being a jerk and pointing out something silly.
This poster does have a point, though. CCP condones and encourages (in fact, advertises) behaviors such as dishonesty and revenge. CCP provides incentive and a relatively open environment for its customers to engage in these morally questionable activities. CCP also provides a environment where people can build trust, camaraderie and life long relationships in and out of game.

It is simply ironic that CCP, the company that highly promotes a product based upon moral ambiguity, takes the moral high-ground with their in-game charity initiative.

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2010.09.29 16:51:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara
Originally by: Mitsune Konno
Edited by: Mitsune Konno on 15/09/2010 18:18:36
CCP regards any scamming attempts surrounding this effort to be morally reprehensible and they will be met with swiftest action.

^^ isn't that sort of hypocritical? I mean from gameplay to real life, I guess there's a sort of stepping stone in terms of morality, but to intentionally make for plex to be able to be scammed/stolen, in game and then call it "morally reprehensible" if you try to do it to CCP... smells of something bullish.

Edit: This has no bearing on whether or not you should donate to the cause. If you have the money/isk for it, please do. I'm just being a jerk and pointing out something silly.
This poster does have a point, though. CCP condones and encourages (in fact, advertises) behaviors such as dishonesty and revenge. CCP provides incentive and a relatively open environment for its customers to engage in these morally questionable activities. CCP also provides a environment where people can build trust, camaraderie and life long relationships in and out of game.

It is simply ironic that CCP, the company that highly promotes a product based upon moral ambiguity, takes the moral high-ground with their in-game charity initiative.


Thats because its a charity initiative and not something ingame. If it was for an ingame cause i could garauntee you CCP wouldnt give two ****s if someone was scamming.

Hydroz0rz
Posted - 2010.09.30 13:38:00 - [55]
 

I as a British man born and bred, Couldn't care less about what's happened.

Yes I feel sorry for them but I don't much care but this is because all we do as a country is GIVE money to other countries when we as a country need every penny right now to get us out of the deep ****e we're in due to greedy British bankers.

There are thousands of immigrants pouring in every day just to claim our benefits and live of us.

Why not go to Europe? Go some place else not here.

Think of it this way, If the UK or America or Iceland NEEDED help, would pakistan rush to your aid?

Thats a pretty huge billboard sized NO

Bullet Silver
Posted - 2010.09.30 13:49:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Bullet Silver on 30/09/2010 13:51:36
may god strike me and hurt me hard, but i dont see why i should help a country who burn my flag and want to kill my people just for some cartoons.. as soon they are in big need, then we the western/european people are good people, and when the flood is over then what?, do they want to kill us again... i say no help no way...

Fulmar Muse
Caldari
Posted - 2010.09.30 14:25:00 - [57]
 

erm, who are they using to help transit the money?

the IMF?
one of the "good" charities
The pakistani govt
A donkey and cart
A pilot laughing as he throw bundles out the window

Who is the middle man, the middle man is the "meddling man"... CCP this is tosh mate, u need a grass roots contact. eg: a poor lady you speak to on the phone,or a swami, or whatever the muslim equivelent is, this would be my biggest gripe if I was to setup a charity fund, don't put it anywhere near a bank.

gamlegamle
Posted - 2010.10.01 11:49:00 - [58]
 

May the people of Pakistan truly be helped by this initiative.

The corruption and complexities of the role of charity in this world are so unbelievably vast that with all due respect I believe no one can say for sure what is right and what is wrong when it comes to charity.

I will not be an arm chair revolutionary in this.
I say again.

May the people of Pakistan truly be helped by this initiative.

Barbicane
TGUN Industries
Posted - 2010.10.02 13:23:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: foksieloy
This is only for people who cannot donate directly to the cause (aka have no real jobs, or earn more isk than $$$).
Those of you who can (and want to) donate directly, do so. Why go over plex?
I disagree. I have a job and can very well afford to donate RL currency, but I think this is a great way of helping out those in need while at the same time promoting Eve. I just wish CCP would be more open about the whole process instead of (unintentionally?) hiding key numbers.

This is the last weekend for this campaign (which closes on October 6). Let's make the most of it.

Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.10.07 09:20:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Stealthy
kudos for PLEX for Pakistan CCP

but why not take direct cash donations from players as well

I dont use PLEX but would donate some cash if a mechanism was avaliable


You could probably donate to the red cross directly through their web portal.


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