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Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2010.09.15 17:02:00 - [1]
 

This summer, devastating flooding caused by monsoon rains destroyed large swathes of Pakistan, resulting in millions of homeless and countless casualties. CCP Fallout's newest dev blog tells you how you can help those who need help the most by using PLEX.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.09.15 17:35:00 - [2]
 

Good initiative.

You should have something like this running ona permanent basis for say Childs Play.

Oricalchum
Posted - 2010.09.15 17:36:00 - [3]
 

Real life politics have no place on the forum. - Adida

Zeighy
Posted - 2010.09.15 17:38:00 - [4]
 

Interesting time for the guy who stole 850B ISK to show he has a heart buy donating a few PLEX using his stolen ISK... lol

CCP Adida


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.09.15 17:53:00 - [5]
 

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Mitsune Konno
Posted - 2010.09.15 18:15:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Mitsune Konno on 15/09/2010 18:18:36
CCP regards any scamming attempts surrounding this effort to be morally reprehensible and they will be met with swiftest action.

^^ isn't that sort of hypocritical? I mean from gameplay to real life, I guess there's a sort of stepping stone in terms of morality, but to intentionally make for plex to be able to be scammed/stolen, in game and then call it "morally reprehensible" if you try to do it to CCP... smells of something bullish.



Edit: This has no bearing on whether or not you should donate to the cause. If you have the money/isk for it, please do. I'm just being a jerk and pointing out something silly.

DeftCrow Redriver
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2010.09.15 18:32:00 - [7]
 

IBC. So... what about the PLEXes destroyed since July 13?
Are there any plans to donate them as well?

RutilusUnus
Posted - 2010.09.15 18:43:00 - [8]
 

If CCP were to donate the money from destroyed plexs to charity, I honestly believe that it would look extremely good. A gaming company that commits to giving in that manner to a charity is something that would garner much positive publicity.

Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
Posted - 2010.09.15 18:46:00 - [9]
 

Good initiative.
However this should have been done WEEKS ago.

IntegerOverflow
Posted - 2010.09.15 18:49:00 - [10]
 

Plex for good...

First I thought this project is overrated and not at all a true charity effort.

Then.. considering ... CCP doesn't need to do it...

Eventually it's a great move on behalf of CCP.

Congrats and move on with this charity stuff!

Ingame and out of game profits.

Hya Bam
Minmatar
It's Hammer Time
Posted - 2010.09.15 18:53:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Mitsune Konno
Edited by: Mitsune Konno on 15/09/2010 18:18:36
CCP regards any scamming attempts surrounding this effort to be morally reprehensible and they will be met with swiftest action.

^^ isn't that sort of hypocritical? I mean from gameplay to real life, I guess there's a sort of stepping stone in terms of morality, but to intentionally make for plex to be able to be scammed/stolen, in game and then call it "morally reprehensible" if you try to do it to CCP... smells of something bullish.



Edit: This has no bearing on whether or not you should donate to the cause. If you have the money/isk for it, please do. I'm just being a jerk and pointing out something silly.
I disagree. Scamming other players within the context of the game is perfectly fine, and sanctioned by CCP.

However, scamming by using a real world event like this is not within the context of the game, and therefore not sanctioned. Also, if you scammed someone who was intending to donate to the fund, you are not stealing from another player; you are not even stealing from CCP; you are stealing from a charity. I think that that classifies as morally reprehensible.

Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.09.15 18:55:00 - [12]
 

let's do one for fisher house. veterans/armistice day isn't far away.

http://www.fisherhouse.org/

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.09.15 19:22:00 - [13]
 

I assume you did make sure first that they would accept the donation.

Firartix
Sense of Serendipity
Echoes of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.09.15 20:09:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Firartix on 15/09/2010 20:20:01
All this sounds like a really good idea....

I kindda think it's a shame to go through all that credit card and PLEX stuff as it does fees and stuff for CCP (which could be used to either improve the game, or just simply as donation) - but it's probably a real good idea as it'll make idiot young players without credit card like me donate stuff.

I really wanted to hit the 1B wallet (not like it's going to be happening any time soon since i haven't been really active lately) but i guess i better donate a PLEX :s

I wondder if/howmany big players with plenty money and plexes will donate :P

Finally, i seriously think CCP Devs should update the wiki before linking a devblog to it, since the wiki was still talking about haiti (especially since the modifications were rather small). I'm going to modify it anyway :D

EDIT: Cannot modify, official page. Excuse me but, you kindda fail CCP.

DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
Posted - 2010.09.15 22:52:00 - [15]
 

Very good idea, helping those in need.

Here is another idea the Nokero Solar Light Bulb. The NSLB (T3 version of the regular light bulb) is solar powered and last's upto four hours before needing to be recharged. What a perfect way to bring the light of hope back to Pakistan by providing a light bulb that can be used as flashlight as well as a housing light to aid families in keeping the cold and dark hand of the night and that comes with it out of their families homes.


Bor Navkjid
Minmatar
Dark-Force
Posted - 2010.09.15 23:03:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Bor Navkjid on 15/09/2010 23:51:51
Edited by: Bor Navkjid on 15/09/2010 23:03:37
Just saying, in the FAQ "I'm still confused" section you misplaced the Pakistan flood with the Haitian earthquake..

Celia Therone
Posted - 2010.09.15 23:19:00 - [17]
 

I think that Plex for Pakistan would have a lot more credibility if you'd actually bothered to tell us how much money (in dollars) you donated after the Plex for Haiti drive, when you donated it and possibly even the benefits that it brought. I can understand the last point being un-determinable but the other two are basic transparency.


Radgette
Posted - 2010.09.15 23:29:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Mitsune Konno
Edited by: Mitsune Konno on 15/09/2010 18:18:36
CCP regards any scamming attempts surrounding this effort to be morally reprehensible and they will be met with swiftest action.

^^ isn't that sort of hypocritical? I mean from gameplay to real life, I guess there's a sort of stepping stone in terms of morality, but to intentionally make for plex to be able to be scammed/stolen, in game and then call it "morally reprehensible" if you try to do it to CCP... smells of something bullish.



Edit: This has no bearing on whether or not you should donate to the cause. If you have the money/isk for it, please do. I'm just being a jerk and pointing out something silly.



there is 1 simple reason for this

if you scam someone just using plex for game time or destroy it CCPloses nothing OR makes money for nothing

now if you scam someone going to donate that plex CCP loses the tax rightoff they have planned by using that as a donation so your scam directly affects ccp's profit margin this year

scamming others = ok , scamming CCP's profits gets you banned :p

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2010.09.16 00:15:00 - [19]
 

FWIW, I donated to the Red Cross for this cause about a month ago.

Unawa
Caldari
Miskatonic The wee free men
Posted - 2010.09.16 01:43:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Mitsune Konno
Edited by: Mitsune Konno on 15/09/2010 18:18:36
CCP regards any scamming attempts surrounding this effort to be morally reprehensible and they will be met with swiftest action.

^^ isn't that sort of hypocritical? I mean from gameplay to real life, I guess there's a sort of stepping stone in terms of morality, but to intentionally make for plex to be able to be scammed/stolen, in game and then call it "morally reprehensible" if you try to do it to CCP... smells of something bullish.



It's not at all the same, or hypocritical. Once you buy a plex and put it in game, you're agreeing to the rules of the shared virtual world/game. However, there are rare moments when we are given the opportunity to have the virtual world touch the real world, and affect actions there in a serious way. And in the real world, people have not agreed to the same things that we agree to allow people within EVE to do.

And in this case, scamming a plex off someone for this case is scamming off someone trying to give real world money to a charitable organisation. It's one of the rare moments when virtual currency in EVE can be converted to real world currency. If you think that it's morally wrong to deceive people out of giving money to a charity for a good cause, then you should see this as morally wrong. It's not one of the things that's accepted as a part of this virtual world, or in the real world.

And in fact, CCP is the one that decides what kinds of actions within the EVE universe are punishable or not. I don't see any reason why they couldn't have different rules for themselves over the rest of us - it is, after all, their world. Of course, certain decisions they make might make the game eminently less appealing (eg, make pirating a bannable activity), but it's still their decision to make, nothing strange about that.

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.09.16 02:04:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Steve Thomas on 16/09/2010 02:08:12
Originally by: Bomberlocks
FWIW, I donated to the Red Cross for this cause about a month ago.
to be honest I would rather donate directly than through some games clunky redemption mechanism or "Buy this and we will give some/all of the proceeds to this organisation" thoes "offers" always leave a bad taste in my mouth.

However this all may be a moot point because the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies has already said they cannot accept a donation from Vivendi due to Muhammad Rafi Uthmani (hes bascialy the head of the Palistani Sunni religion) declaring computer games created by thoes who dont follow Islam with fictional religions to be bascialy haram unless the game clearly shows such religions to be Both malignant and unclean.

more accuratly he said:

خبيث ونجس


thats why I asked if they knew that they would accept a donation from them in advance.

Edit note,Im hopeing I spelled that correctly, and that copy paste did not mangle it more than I did, Im looking to see if I can find an online version of his statment on computer games and intertainment. mostly he did not have a problem with them so long as the game did not include new or fictional religions or try to proclame a non Islamic religion as the True religion.

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.09.16 04:36:00 - [22]
 

From the FAQ page:

Quote:
Our game masters will permanently ban anyone who uses this initiative for helping the victims of the quake in Haiti to scam other players.

I believe it should be
Quote:
Our game masters will permanently ban anyone who uses (this initiative for helping the victims of the quake in Haiti) to scam other players.

Not
Quote:
Our game masters will permanently ban anyone who uses this initiative for (helping the victims of the quake in Haiti to scam other players).

As I read it at first. Shocked

BLACKMANIAC
Dark-Rising
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.09.16 05:14:00 - [23]
 

I am a Pakistani living in Pakistan and having observed the devastation caused by the flooding I would like to say Thanks to CCP and all my fellow Capsuleers who already have or in future will use this initiative to help the people devastated by floods in my country.

Thank You .






p.s. lets not overshadow a good initiative by talking about CCP policies regarding scamming.

Archestratidas
Posted - 2010.09.16 06:54:00 - [24]
 

Hmm, so CCP creates additional demand for PLEXs by allowing them to be redeemed for real life donations. Demand curve shifts to the right. New equilibrium price is higher than the old, generating a larger quantity supplied of PLEXs by ppl that put RL currency into eve.

Net result, more RL currency investment into eve via GTC/PLEXs, not all of which will end up being redeemed for a charitable event = moar $$$ for CCP. Second year in a row now too. I expect this will become an annual staple for keeping PLEX demand high, along with PLEX redemption for fanfest events.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2010.09.16 08:32:00 - [25]
 

This is only for people who cannot donate directly to the cause (aka have no real jobs, or earn more isk than $$$).
Those of you who can (and want to) donate directly, do so. Why go over plex?

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.09.16 11:12:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Celia Therone
I think that Plex for Pakistan would have a lot more credibility if you'd actually bothered to tell us how much money (in dollars) you donated after the Plex for Haiti drive, when you donated it and possibly even the benefits that it brought. I can understand the last point being un-determinable but the other two are basic transparency.



The amount of PLEX donated to Haiti can be found here and if you read the associated comment thread you will see the calculalations for the dollar value.

Sun Zhaou
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2010.09.16 11:56:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Sun Zhaou on 16/09/2010 13:35:37
Originally by: RutilusUnus
If CCP were to donate the money from destroyed plexs to charity, I honestly believe that it would look extremely good. A gaming company that commits to giving in that manner to a charity is something that would garner much positive publicity.


This.
Currently CCP is taking huge amount of cash for all the destroyed PLEXes. Really profitable for not giving any service.
Is there any reliable source on how many PLEXes were destroyed so far?
Give that to the charity and it would show you are not only collecting player offers, but you as a company also give something.
On a secondary thought... destroyed PLEXes were also paid by gamers.

So where is your contribution CCP? Or are you just collecting money and creating good publicity paid from someone else wallet?

Nope m8. I won't run it through you so you can get tax allowances for nothing.

Ninja edit: I used the UNHCR: http://www.unhcr.org/emergency/pakistanfloods/global_landing.html
So I'm mad at the profiteering CCP does through these relief gathering.
Enough said. Mad

Riley Martin
Posted - 2010.09.16 14:40:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Oricalchum
Real life politics have no place on the forum. - Adida


I didn't get to read this post, but isn't this whole thing about real life politics?

Celia Therone
Posted - 2010.09.16 15:56:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Celia Therone
I think that Plex for Pakistan would have a lot more credibility if you'd actually bothered to tell us how much money (in dollars) you donated after the Plex for Haiti drive, when you donated it and possibly even the benefits that it brought. I can understand the last point being un-determinable but the other two are basic transparency.



The amount of PLEX donated to Haiti can be found here and if you read the associated comment thread you will see the calculalations for the dollar value.


No, it can't. That's the amount of plex donated before CCP extended the donation deadline. There was no update (that I'm aware of) as to what the final amount donated was, what dollar amount CCP donated or even if they got around to donating it at all. Is that really too much to ask?

localhorse
The Demi-Fallen Ones
Posted - 2010.09.16 16:53:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: DeftCrow Redriver
IBC. So... what about the PLEXes destroyed since July 13?
Are there any plans to donate them as well?


Awesome idea. I'd love to hear CCP comment on this.


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