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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.09.13 20:32:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 23/08/2011 19:44:28
Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 30/06/2011 02:32:32


Ok so we have too many double topics and redundant topics in this forum because of people failing to do research or searching the forums to see if their topic has been posted. So below are a list of hot topics that have been brought up.

ALSO PLEASE READ THIS this Wiki page of stuff already submitted This is the list for the Nov prioritization list and finished votes, so before posting read that, and don't create duplicate topics.

HEADLINE ISSUES

STATION ENVIRONMENTS protect our future and the people with older graphics cards.

CSM Raised issues

Summit Topic ::: UI Improvements. Mittani
UI SUCKS - lets come up with an improvement plan

Summit Topic ::: Null sec industrialization Mittani
Null sec industry sucks.

Summit Topic ::: Team BFF and 10,000 paper cuts Trebor Daehdoow

1000 papercuts Reference topic by Akita T
Fixing all the little bugs in eve!

Summit Topic ::: Eve Marketing Trebor Daehdoow
How can we sucker, I mean encourage more people to play EvE?

Summit Topic ::: Ship rebalancing Vile Rat
A lot of ships need a good rebalance, mostly gallente, but there are other ships that need love, post your ideas here. PS. Just saying FIX **** won't fly here, give a good proposal on how to fix it with reasonings.

Summit Topic ::: POS Misery Mittani
Pos towers suck to live out of, we have all been there. What can we do to improve this? Alliance hangers, fueling towers, etc.

Summit Topic ::: New Player Experience -Draco Llasa
How do we make the game a little more friendly to retain new players. Also bring back Aura!

CSM Generated Proposalabout the character creation interface.

Main player issues

Hottest issues
THE MAIN THREAD ABOUT BOTTING THERE I ADDED IT.

CCP Excellence No features left behind

Micro Transactions HOT!
Should ccp allow micro transactions? Yes, No, or only for cosmetic stuff as in Incarna only.
PART II Link new crowd source.

AKITA T - stop rushing projects. Linkage

Ships and weapons

Black ops revamp making them useful. --Submitted as priority
Black ops are boring, they need a buff.

Ship Model size - Motherships, make them bigger.
Why is my hyperion bigger than a nyx?

Assault Frigates 4th Bonus --Submitted as priority

Refitting T3 in WH space

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2010.09.13 20:43:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Bagehi on 21/09/2010 17:31:04
Bump to this post so people can read over all the stuff already discussed as well as throw support into a unified post rather than 15 different posts.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.09.13 20:49:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 30/06/2011 02:34:42
Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 03/06/2011 02:27:38

Blasters 2.0
Blasters need a buff

Railguns balancing

Visualization / UI

CYNO EFFECTS!----- Wiki Article - Issue not indexed
Current cyno effects are yawn compared to the thunder and lightning of old

EvE Fonts
I cant read the font in eve.

UI: Custom Folders for Contacts

Corp / Alliance chat MOTD This is a good one, and would have a lot of game play changes.

NEW
CQ optional - ship spinning
Ship spinning hangers - seperate thread.


Misc

Drone implants!!

POS Changes

Suicide ganking and insurance pay outs
suicide gankers shouldnt get insurance.

Neutral RR/ Agression mechanic
If a neutral rr's my target it should be able to be taken down with same mechanics as the target.

Drone repair bays

Ok finally updated

CSM 6 Summit notes from Trebor



Comprehensive UI changes
I am linking this because there are several elements in this post that would affect gameplay. While most of the threads linked here are already closed they do bring up valid points. I would encourage people to please read these threads and voice your support for which elements you would like implemented and reviewed. After reviewing the backlog of changes wiki, almost none of these were mentioned.

CROWD SOURCING VOTE NOW! Voting is finished leaving link up.

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2010.09.13 21:05:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Bagehi on 21/09/2010 17:31:26
I was supporting in hopes that other people might read this. Most posts without supports are ignored. Getting something pinned in assembly hall is fairly unlikely, so the best you can hope for are people posting replies/supports to keep this on the first page where others will read it.

P.S. Please add: [Proposal] Make Motherships Larger as it has about the same level of support as the other topics in your list. It is pretty new in comparison to the other topics though.

Astroka
Posted - 2010.09.14 00:51:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Astroka on 21/09/2010 00:22:37
Thanks for the list. If CCP would sticky this, and if you would be kind enough to keep this list updated, it could help cut down on the double topic crap in Assembly Hall.

Edit: Happy day, oh happy day, it got a sticky!

Vladimiru
Gallente
Nanite Industries
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.09.14 00:57:00 - [6]
 

Supported so I don't have to bump 10 different threads per hour.

Silent Silhouette
Posted - 2010.09.14 03:59:00 - [7]
 

I really think all these should eb addressed before next expansion.

Bo Tosh
Posted - 2010.09.14 10:15:00 - [8]
 


Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.09.14 11:27:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Mynxee on 14/09/2010 11:28:17
The underlying problem here is that while AH is a great place to discuss proposals and debate their validity, it is a poor venue due to lack of features for being able to easily find, vote up or down, and assess the status of various proposals. If a more appropriate tool were being used for managing proposals, the desire for a stickied "hot topics" thread would probably not exist.

But...since we don't have such a tool, such a stickied thread seems useful. However, a bunch of potential problems come to mind:

-- How committed is the OP to keeping the original post updated as proposals are addressed by CCP or as the status of items on the list otherwise changes? Now, sure, but what about in a year? Two years? Keeping track of a proposal's support/non-support ratio is a challenge--given that would have to be reviewed regularly to be sure of the actual support count (you know how people express support but forget to click the "Support" checkbox).

-- What happens if the OP's account goes inactive for some reason? All kinds of things happen in RL that take players away from the game; if the OP can't (or no longer wants to) log in to update the post, then what? That is why in other forums, CCP staff tend to be the authors of the stickied, non-static threads--that way, there is a guarantee of access to keep the thread updated.

-- Who decides what is hot enough to go on the list? Everyone will believe their pet proposal is hot enough to be on the list and many will express annoyance at topics being included that don't relate to their interests or which they perceive as being pushed by a null sec voting block. The selection of topics is a big can of worms.

-- When do items lose the "hot" status such that they should be removed from the list? Supports/non-supports can change a lot over time--especially if something happens in game to affect the validity of an AH proposal. Who makes the decision to take an item off the "hot" list?

I've got this thread bookmarked so I can watch it and will bring it up with the other CSM members, but I think there are too many potential problems to make a stickied hot topics thread advisable. Depending on responses from others, I might be convinced otherwise.


Ogogov
Gallente
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.09.14 13:55:00 - [10]
 


Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2010.09.14 15:02:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Bagehi on 21/09/2010 17:32:53
Originally by: Mynxee
But...since we don't have such a tool, such a stickied thread seems useful. However, a bunch of potential problems come to mind


This is a temporary, half-solution, Mynxee. It isn't perfect, but it is better than the current system.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.09.14 17:06:00 - [12]
 

Mynxee - yes there are several problems that can occur as I am not a player and stuff can happen.

But at least this is a good temp solution until something more permanent can be worked out. As for what is on the list currently, I tried to weigh out hot issues as ones that would affect eve as a whole rather than just a select minority.

Yes i will admit mothershps model size only affects a minority, but anyone who has seen them test server, or regular server will realize, hey my battle ship is almost just as big. So this one was more for a aesthetic feel for eve, plus it was requested. However I am willing to work with the csm to change the links and post which ones are hot and people should look at.

TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.09.14 18:01:00 - [13]
 

A nice idea till we get (hopefully) better forums.

Another possible way to handle this would be as a "most frequently asked for" wiki page with links to the issues here. At least that way we could get it stickied while allowing players to edit as needed.

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2010.09.14 20:25:00 - [14]
 

If you missed it:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1383905


Originally by: CCP Navigator
New forums are actually in development. Unfortunately we have no fixed date as to when they will be deployed but they are coming and work is already under way.


ChrisIsherwood
Posted - 2010.09.14 20:33:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 14/09/2010 17:09:29

Ok so we have too many double topics and redundant topics in this forum because of people failing to do research or searching the forums to see if their topic has been posted. So below are a list of hot topics that have been brought up.



I share your frustrations and goals, but i have some problems with this. How exactly could a typical player -not a forum regular - find some of these topics? I'm not arguing or criticizing but without keywords and such like, I find free text search using eve-search/google has some limitations. Starting with the missing forum search from CCP - if searching historical forums were important and to be encouraged, then why does not CCP provide it.

BTW, I am not quite sure why there is a F&I and a AH forum?

i also see a disconnect as to the feedback forum goals: is this where paying customers provide feedback to a corporation? I.e., if I write Toyota that I do not think their cars should accelerate on their own, I do not expect a response of "what a noob - it's already been suggested" And it matters to McDonalds whether 15 or 15,00,000 think their new sandwich tastes bad; it's not just the topics; number of responders matter.

A lot of companies use non-employee (i.e. unpaid) forum members to help police organize things. In particular, if there were a way a forum member could do a quick drop down and have a post moved to the "suicide/insurance" thread/topic/keyword. Probably much more likely to be successful than training 350,000 people to behave differently using forum software that has many opportunities for improvement. This is not just AH: it would be nice if a click could move the topics into the "Raven or Tengu" sub-forum. ( And in the redundant poster's defense, seeing their are 27000 eve-search entries for raven fit or 10000 for raven fitting does not put you that much closer to an answer for a common question ) And how many posts about jump clones or mining could be answered with a single link? But I strongly believe that if the choices are between changing fundamental human behavior or changing the forum software, it would be easier to change the software to make it easier to coalesce the common questions and suggestions.


I also think the new forums are very important going forward and the CSM should push very strongly for their features in advance rather than letting CCP pull their usual ship it first and then respond with the "well that is a limitation of our Micro$oft tool" or "we'll polish this later". And of course prevent the "we do not support the Android/iPhone/iPad/Firefox/Safari/Chrome browser" or "we require Flash or .Nyet or ActiveX"


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Perhaps the process is someone (CSM? forum maven) did an official quarterly top 25 or 50 sticky. Not as some volunteer who may be unmotivated or unsubscribed in 3 months but a commitment to the process from CCP/CSM. I would mimic the QEN and call it the QWN - Quarterly Whine Newsletter but Suggestion or Feedback would be more politically correct.

Way too much to hope for is a quarterly poll on the top 25 - where people chose a few small med and large features. Because these days, for non-lag features the question is not whether it is good but rather where it is good enough.



Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.09.15 03:22:00 - [16]
 

*edits*

Added black ops and refitting T3 in space.

Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
Posted - 2010.09.16 00:21:00 - [17]
 

friendly bump. help keep this bumped so we have good quick links.

Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2010.09.16 01:23:00 - [18]
 

Totally supported 100%

EdFromHumanResources
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.09.16 03:43:00 - [19]
 

Don't mean to plug my own threads here but what about this? T3 Logi subsystems are terrible in their current state. Their uses are almost exclusively limited to gimmick setups even in the alliance tournament.

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.09.16 15:08:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Mynxee on 16/09/2010 15:13:31
Originally by: ChrisIsherwood
Perhaps the process is someone (CSM? forum maven) did an official quarterly top 25 or 50 sticky. Not as some volunteer who may be unmotivated or unsubscribed in 3 months but a commitment to the process from CCP/CSM.


Again, figuring out which 25 or 50 to put on that list ... not to mention the lack of a reasonable way to easily count supports (and discern non-supports from un-thumbed supports and supportive discussion) would require a huge amount of work to keep up with it.

But as a start, I'll ask for this thread to be stickied (not sure they'll comply, though) and OH can deal with keeping it maintained, since he started it! If it stops being maintained, it can just be unstickied.

Also to the OP:

-- Please capitalize Assembly and Hall in your thread subject (/teachermode off)

-- For those items which have been raised and passed by CSM (as quite a few of your listed items have been), you might want to link to the issue thread in the wiki, since that will contain vote results and also link to the proper forum thread and any related others.


CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2010.09.16 16:02:00 - [21]
 

Post repetition is always an issue. This is a good idea Obsidian Hawk, have a sticky.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.09.16 21:34:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 16/09/2010 21:36:41
First thankyou

Second,
@ ED - I would love to link it, but as it stands t3 are horribly underpowered and need a severe re-balance. I am starting to write a comprehensive proposal to go through to redo and balance t3 ships. You know jack of all trades master of none how some t2 ships are better than the t3 counter part, etc. Lack of drone bays blahh blaah blaah you get the idea. But ill take your write up and add it to the comprehensive one.

Third
@ mynxee - yes teacher I will work on this this weekend on getting the wiki articles linked and the submitted article from the dev blog linked.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.09.17 02:44:00 - [23]
 

I would suggest to use another thread for this discussion:
Bug/Feature/Idea-Tracker built into the website

Discussion in question:
Originally by: Mynxee
The underlying problem here is that while AH is a great place to discuss proposals and debate their validity, it is a poor venue due to lack of features for being able to easily find, vote up or down, and assess the status of various proposals. If a more appropriate tool were being used for managing proposals, the desire for a stickied "hot topics" thread would probably not exist.
snip

Originally by: Bagehi
snip
This is a temporary, half-solution, Mynxee. It isn't perfect, but it is better than the current system.

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Mynxee - yes there are several problems that can occur as I am not a player and stuff can happen.

But at least this is a good temp solution until something more permanent can be worked out. As for what is on the list currently, I tried to weigh out hot issues as ones that would affect eve as a whole rather than just a select minority.
snip

Originally by: ChrisIsherwood
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Ok so we have too many double topics and redundant topics in this forum because of people failing to do research or searching the forums to see if their topic has been posted. So below are a list of hot topics that have been brought up.

I share your frustrations and goals, but i have some problems with this. How exactly could a typical player -not a forum regular - find some of these topics? I'm not arguing or criticizing but without keywords and such like, I find free text search using eve-search/google has some limitations. Starting with the missing forum search from CCP - if searching historical forums were important and to be encouraged, then why does not CCP provide it.

BTW, I am not quite sure why there is a F&I and a AH forum?

i also see a disconnect as to the feedback forum goals: is this where paying customers provide feedback to a corporation? I.e., if I write Toyota that I do not think their cars should accelerate on their own, I do not expect a response of "what a noob - it's already been suggested" And it matters to McDonalds whether 15 or 15,00,000 think their new sandwich tastes bad; it's not just the topics; number of responders matter.
snip

Vladimiru
Gallente
Nanite Industries
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.09.17 08:11:00 - [24]
 

About time this got stickied. I'm with you bro.

EdFromHumanResources
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.09.17 10:38:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 16/09/2010 21:36:41
First thankyou

Second,
@ ED - I would love to link it, but as it stands t3 are horribly underpowered and need a severe re-balance. I am starting to write a comprehensive proposal to go through to redo and balance t3 ships. You know jack of all trades master of none how some t2 ships are better than the t3 counter part, etc. Lack of drone bays blahh blaah blaah you get the idea. But ill take your write up and add it to the comprehensive one.

Third
@ mynxee - yes teacher I will work on this this weekend on getting the wiki articles linked and the submitted article from the dev blog linked.

First let me say congrats on getting this stickied. I hope you keep it up to date or someone picks up the torch when/if you leave the game. This is a good thing for this forum. Especially since the noise to signal ratio is so incredibly high.

I completely understand your view on T3. While I don't view them incredibly underpowered I do think they are incredibly limited for the price you pay. I honestly think removing racial requirements from the fittings so that caldari can fit amarr modules would make for more powerful and even specialized ships.

I look forward to your article :)

T'Amber
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2010.09.18 13:06:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Post repetition is always an issue. This is a good idea Obsidian Hawk, have a sticky.


Did I ever tell you I loved you Obsidian.
While I'm not suprised you came up with this, I am suprised that no-one else had thought of it before.

great work
-T'amber

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.09.20 17:38:00 - [27]
 

Sept 20, 2010 Changes

Added

Ghost datacore collection
links to csm dev blog
link to wiki page showing the outcome of prioritization of changes.

Edits -

listed priority changes submitted to ccp staff by csm in august.

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.09.20 22:22:00 - [28]
 

Thanks for taking the initiative on this, Obsidian, and keeping up with it. Very useful.

Orange Lagomorph
Posted - 2010.09.21 02:47:00 - [29]
 

Yes, thank you, Obsidian.

I sure am glad to see ghost datacore production on the list.

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2010.09.21 17:29:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Bagehi on 21/09/2010 17:29:54
Originally by: Bagehi
Getting something pinned in assembly hall is fairly unlikely


Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Post repetition is always an issue. This is a good idea Obsidian Hawk, have a sticky.


I have eaten my shoe. Thanks Zymurgist.


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