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Sepi
Wiyrkomi Supplies LTD
Posted - 2010.09.04 07:10:00 - [61]
 

i wonder if the guys in jita "i was the guy who robbed 75bill" was actually BB alt :)

or even when will the first one of the scams be "i was the guy robbed 850bill"..

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.09.04 07:12:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Sepi
i wonder if the guys in jita "i was the guy who robbed 75bill" was actually BB alt :)

or even when will the first one of the scams be "i was the guy robbed 850bill"..


Yea. I can't wait to see the latest news tomorrow. Does the reported by part mean that's the person who sent in the news lead cause i'm pretty sure i was one of the first to spam it.

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2010.09.04 07:49:00 - [63]
 

So BB aka Daddy Cool from now on ,what i would like to know was this your intention from the start or did the amount you could scam slowly started working on your greed?


Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.09.04 07:56:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 04/09/2010 07:58:54
Once upon a time, a guy of great experience met a guy of great money.

The guy of great experience left with substantial money, the guy of great money left with substantial experience.


WHEN I ASKED EVEN THE GODS LIKE AMARR155 TO BE AUDITED WAS NOT FOR THE AUDITS BUT TO SEE HOW THEY REACT, THIS *IS* AUDITING, NOT THE MERE PAPERWORK

The morons who contest my long write ups don't see that the audits get done on lots of people before the first line is being written. The writings are just the small subset that need pay me for doing so.

When people don't dare to question EBank at the apex of its success (like I did) or the various "godlings" out there, they are fools with money waiting to become just poor fools.



Quote:

Major fail on the part of the trustees for providing cover for Bobby rather than an early warning system for investors on this



They fail more than you think. BB is not the only one who took advantage of game mechanics. Another major player has done so even if so far he did not turn this into theft.



Quote:

2) Is any number of trustees enough?





No. I never took a share (nor a say) in this IPO because:

- BB never accepted an audit and this shows a particular inclination of state of mind.
- BB risk due to his intelligence and social engineering skills was so high that no audit would bring in anything conclusive.
- Since he created that too much colored and urgent last Utu bond I knew something was changing.
- Chribba doing that strange quote "Quoted for the sake of quoting the post. Should it be needed for future verification." http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1341805&page=5#136
- Trustees are European Bruxelles clerks. Useless Boureaucracy that can be easily played left and right by someone smarter. Even those smart enough to act safely like Shar, are victims of a game where scamming, robbing, embezzling, dirty play, spying, poaching are supported and consistently shown as smart ways.

RAW23 can think any crusade he wants, the game we play is stacked in order to forcibly always have a victim <=> predator scenario where the victim never has functioning ways to avoid being so.
Sure, sitting in a station for 7 years and dealing exclusively with your own wallet prevents risk. But playing this is not a MMO scenario, so people play the MMO and immediately become victims *unless they avoid it*. This is the weighting of the dice that in RL is muuuuuuch mitigated (for small people): to be surely victim unless you outsmart and outplay the predator.



Net result:

People will idiotically learn nothing. Now they won't give a penny to the poor guys starting an 1B bond but will all turn their dozens of billions to the next "MD god". Who without audit and arrogant take (lol doubt of ME?), will cream them again.



Originally by: flakeys
So BB aka Daddy Cool from now on ,what i would like to know was this your intention from the start or did the amount you could scam slowly started working on your greed?



It's part of a race. High level potential scammers of all sorts are trying to beat the record, therefore they honestly gather up enough to beat the record and then scam. If the scam desire clicks in since the beginning or only after a certain sum, who knows. We know the outcome though.

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2010.09.04 08:05:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
If the scam desire clicks in since the beginning or only after a certain sum, who knows. We know the outcome though.


But it is something BB can explain and i REALLY would like to hear from him wich of the two it was.Hell he could write a 15 page article about it and i would read every word of it.I am usually more interested in the reasoning then the actuall theft , no matter how big the amount.



Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2010.09.04 08:11:00 - [66]
 

This would be really fun for some days, but.. one month with all that money, I think i'd get bored.

CCP watch this ISK! Dont let anyone RMT =p

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2010.09.04 09:00:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Proton Power
Problem is the investors voted to create more voting shares after i said it was a bad idea. So 600 more shares were created, meaning bad bobby has same shares we do now.


This seems to have been a crucial part of the process - I would like to know more about how this vote was proposed and how those concerned were persuaded to allow it through. As things stand, I'm inclined to suggest that the directors themselves are at least partly to blame.

You could have created the new shares incrementally, removing the opportunity for anyone to seize an overall majority at any one step, or you could have just scaled down the number of shares owned by each active director. Why was neither of these more secure options used? Were people simply being lazy?

Incidentally, I own 1 share of T4U. What am I bid for it?




Mme Pinkerton
The pink win
Posted - 2010.09.04 09:16:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
- Chribba doing that strange quote "Quoted for the sake of quoting the post. Should it be needed for future verification." http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1341805&page=5#136

Nothing strange about that statement.

HYDRA (not Bad Bobby) had launched the bond, HYDRA seemed to collapse, so Chribba had to fixate the public list of investors to prevent it from any manipulations just in case the collateral would have to be sold.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.09.04 09:40:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
- Chribba doing that strange quote "Quoted for the sake of quoting the post. Should it be needed for future verification." http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1341805&page=5#136

Nothing strange about that statement.

HYDRA (not Bad Bobby) had launched the bond, HYDRA seemed to collapse, so Chribba had to fixate the public list of investors to prevent it from any manipulations just in case the collateral would have to be sold.


It's a perturbation and when there are perturbations there are bound to be chain reversals.

RAW23
Posted - 2010.09.04 09:59:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 04/09/2010 07:58:54



Quote:

Major fail on the part of the trustees for providing cover for Bobby rather than an early warning system for investors on this



They fail more than you think. BB is not the only one who took advantage of game mechanics. Another major player has done so even if so far he did not turn this into theft.



Can we have some more info on this?

Caldari Citizen20090217
Posted - 2010.09.04 10:11:00 - [71]
 

Did anyone else notice the similarities between the TITANS4U ipo scam and the one in the old nightfreeze scam story many years ago?

Food for thought Twisted Evil

Estel Arador
Posted - 2010.09.04 10:28:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Caldari Citizen20090217
Did anyone else notice the similarities between the TITANS4U ipo scam and the one in the old nightfreeze scam story many years ago?

Food for thought Twisted Evil


Both involve a blueprint? Rolling Eyes

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard
Talocan United
Posted - 2010.09.04 10:35:00 - [73]
 

*slow hand clap*

I tip my hat to you, good sir. I'm not much for scams or scammers, but THAT was impressive. Cool

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.09.04 10:36:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Caldari Citizen20090217
Did anyone else notice the similarities between the TITANS4U ipo scam and the one in the old nightfreeze scam story many years ago?

Food for thought Twisted Evil


Both involve a blueprint? Rolling Eyes

That story was one of the things that inspired my playstyle, along with the GHSC and various tales of piracy.

Ramingo
Caldari
Verplante Juenger Hamburgs
Legion of Damnation
Posted - 2010.09.04 11:02:00 - [75]
 

I never checked your financials, but how much isk did you repay investors in dividends since day 1?

And grats for taking advantage of the thoughtlessness of investors, there were so many of them at least one should have noticed you having 600 extra shares to hand out could turn against them.

Jekyl Eraser
Posted - 2010.09.04 11:08:00 - [76]
 

you greedy fools, how do you think you can invest in a game without being scammed when in irl with much more serious punishments people(or even entire countries) get scammed constantly.

Jastra
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2010.09.04 11:12:00 - [77]
 

Epic, sold my shares a month ago for profit and up a couple of dividend payments, so it's all good, hats off to you sir. Never invest what you cannot afford to lose people.

Noferatu
Posted - 2010.09.04 11:16:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Noferatu on 04/09/2010 11:39:54
Well...just.. Feck.. ME!. Shocked

850 Billion isk.

So that's 1370 60-Day GTC's (@620 mill per)

At current rates that's..

US$47,970
Or 38,360
Or 31,953

Awesome. Whoever said 'Patience is a Virtue' wasn't quite right. It's more like an Eve-il sin that pays out in spades.. in this case, diamond-encrusted ones.

Salutations, and commiserations.

Gotta love this game YARRRR!!

Eelis Kiy
Gallente
Shadows Of The Federation
ShadowWolves.net
Posted - 2010.09.04 11:36:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Noferatu


Gotta love this game YARRRR!!



^^

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.09.04 12:17:00 - [80]
 

Quote:

Can we have some more info on this?



When I took position against the untouchables I was flamed to hell. And none defended me.
When I audited, I was flamed and ridiculed and the whole meta-profession brought to the bin by a concerted effort off multiple people. And none defended me.
When I offered to buy out a failed IPO (which I had no interest in, nor audited) to save investors money, I was ridiculed.
When I started a major efforts at educating people at finance, I got greeted with "It's been forever since I've read a wall of text that had no useful content to it."


So... no.

Enjoy losing more dozens of billions. Talk is cheap, my payback is not.



Quote:

That story was one of the things that inspired my playstyle, along with the GHSC and various tales of piracy



I struggle to understand why you achieved so much, just to thrash all your glory in a day.
850 billions or even 850 trillions are worthless when your name is in the mud forever, expecially in a game where the only valuable and lasting currency is fame and honor.

Estel Arador
Posted - 2010.09.04 12:25:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
When I took position against the untouchables I was flamed to hell. And none defended me.
When I audited, I was flamed and ridiculed and the whole meta-profession brought to the bin by a concerted effort off multiple people. And none defended me.
When I offered to buy out a failed IPO (which I had no interest in, nor audited) to save investors money, I was ridiculed.
When I started a major efforts at educating people at finance, I got greeted with "It's been forever since I've read a wall of text that had no useful content to it."


So... no.

Enjoy losing more dozens of billions. Talk is cheap, my payback is not.


Fear the wrath of the maligned philanthropist! It truly is a shame no one has recognised your genius so far. Please allow me to be the first to prostrate myself before you!

Caleb Ayrania
Gallente
TarNec
Posted - 2010.09.04 12:26:00 - [82]
 

I guess there is a price on everyone.. The trustworthy people are becoming a seriously rare thing in this game..

In part I blame the missing mechanics.

On a day like this I like my TMPI shares a lot.. They already paid out more dividends then their initial value, so I guess that makes it a true AAA share..

I dont think this is the end of the MD, but it does mean there is a serious dip in trust and interest in future projects..


nocSTANtine
Posted - 2010.09.04 12:46:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: nocSTANtine on 04/09/2010 13:19:36
Hat's off!

But really this isn't down to Bob, if I had the chance to turn game isk into $47K I
would rip you all off in a heart beat!

This is down to CCP, the scam's will come thick and fast while GTC/Plex's are in existence.

This is supposed to be a game (fantasy!) when it has real world implications its crossed the line, especially when it condoned by CCP.

Get rid of plex's and this sort of thing will pale, I'm all for scam's becuase if you fall for them more you fool you, but scam's shouldn't transverse game play into the real world.

I know what your going to say ppl sell isk and items in the real world, well there is a leagal frame work that covers that which is supported but ccp

Bob Very Happy
CCP ugh

RAW23
Posted - 2010.09.04 12:53:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: RAW23 on 04/09/2010 12:55:43
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:

Can we have some more info on this?



When I took position against the untouchables I was flamed to hell. And none defended me.
When I audited, I was flamed and ridiculed and the whole meta-profession brought to the bin by a concerted effort off multiple people. And none defended me.
When I offered to buy out a failed IPO (which I had no interest in, nor audited) to save investors money, I was ridiculed.
When I started a major efforts at educating people at finance, I got greeted with "It's been forever since I've read a wall of text that had no useful content to it."


So... no.

Enjoy losing more dozens of billions. Talk is cheap, my payback is not.




Confused

So you know of a potential major risk to investors and you won't disclose it out of spite? You appear to be confusing the 'some' who have given you a hard time with the 'all' who you are now happy to see suffer. What happened to your much advertised moral code?

Edit
@Caleb - Isn't TMPI the second biggest shareholder in T4U?

Caleb Ayrania
Gallente
TarNec
Posted - 2010.09.04 12:56:00 - [85]
 

I have to side with VV..

Sure EVE is just a game, but seriously there will always be people ingame that know who you are in RL, and what you did. Sure these might be close enough to not "rat" on you.. but seriously.. You have to live with this stigma the rest of your life..

Would anyone here ever trust someone with an action like this in their past?

I have experienced first hand how your view change once a friend shows this side of their personality..

I dont understand why people sell their morales for isk or RL money.. Not that I dont understand the greed and lure, just the blemish you have to carry is not worth it imo..

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2010.09.04 13:04:00 - [86]
 

This is why you should only ever do business with me. Because I'm quite frankly the only honest piwate in EVE :P

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.09.04 13:09:00 - [87]
 

Quote:

What happened to your much advertised moral code?



My moral code forbids me to disclose such information without seeing the "act" being made.
IE Bad Bobby has been in the same situation of being able to take control. If he chose NOT to exercise it, he'd not be a scammer and talking about that in public would just ruin someone.

Therefore first a trigger has to be pulled, then information would be released.
Released *if* I was in charge of overseeing his business, *if* I was appointed to deal with it. But I am not, therefore privacy principle prevails and it's greatly eased by what I wrote above.



EvE will never change until the few you could trust are pissed in face, while everyone go and worship the shiny future scammers.

Franga
NQX Innovations
Posted - 2010.09.04 13:13:00 - [88]
 

Bobby, is there any possible way I could get about 5bil from you? You know, just for kicks and whatever?

Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2010.09.04 13:21:00 - [89]
 

Stop the enabling. The 'security' of this venture was flawed from the start, and yet the charade continued unabated allowing the investment to take on such a disproportionate size. The only purpose the directors served was to allow this to happen. ****'s sake guys, you ended up as eunuchs at a gang-bang and all to have your name in lights as trustworthy. I like most of you, but Jesus, learn from this.

Scott McClellan
Forum Posters Anonymous
Posted - 2010.09.04 13:26:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

Net result:

People will idiotically learn nothing. Now they won't give a penny to the poor guys starting an 1B bond but will all turn their dozens of billions to the next "MD god". Who without audit and arrogant take (lol doubt of ME?), will cream them again.


Sadly I think this will be the case. New offerings get shot down all the time by the people who got completely taken for a ride on this one. Granted there's a higher risk of a scam with the newer offerers, but it seems the risk was not even considered in the case of BB.


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