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Proton Power
Amarr
Retirement Retreat
Posted - 2010.09.03 23:15:00 - [1]
 

Copy from AC post in T4U Thread

***IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT***

ALL TRADING OF T4U SHARES HAS BEEN SUSPENDED. DO NOT BUY/SELL ANY T4U SHARES.

At 06:54 eve time on 2010.09.03, 5 votes were started to unlock the 5 titan bpo's in the "super secret corp". The director alts were kicked out the previous day supposedly to "keep any of you from grabbing the 600 votes that were created for the new directors".

This is either a really mean test of the system or Bad Bobby has decided to cut and run. More info to come as it is available.

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.09.03 23:17:00 - [2]
 

Buying ALL TITANS 4 U Shares for 0.1 isk each. Dump them before they failscade.

Jerreie
Posted - 2010.09.03 23:18:00 - [3]
 

I did not see this coming at all. Oh no sir.

Drexciyian
The Water Margin Tech
Posted - 2010.09.03 23:50:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Drexciyian on 03/09/2010 23:50:43
maybe he watched the new eve trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I

Dzil
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2010.09.03 23:51:00 - [5]
 

To an epic thread!

/toast

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.09.03 23:54:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Drexciyian
Edited by: Drexciyian on 03/09/2010 23:50:43
maybe he watched the new eve trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I


Too late. Made the connection before you.

Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
Posted - 2010.09.03 23:57:00 - [7]
 

HELTER SKELTER

... but I'm confused? If Bad Bobby can just kick the 5 director alt's out of the corp, what security does that even offer? I thought the point was so that he couldn't do just that and run off with everything.

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2010.09.03 23:58:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Cheque Please
HELTER SKELTER

... but I'm confused? If Bad Bobby can just kick the 5 director alt's out of the corp, what security does that even offer? I thought the point was so that he couldn't do just that and run off with everything.


The plan was, The alts would only be needed if he died. No one really thought about him scamming.

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.09.03 23:59:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Cheque Please
HELTER SKELTER

... but I'm confused? If Bad Bobby can just kick the 5 director alt's out of the corp, what security does that even offer? I thought the point was so that he couldn't do just that and run off with everything.


I guess someone royally ****ed up. Lesson to learn kids is, it's not secure unless it's actually secure.

Proton Power
Amarr
Retirement Retreat
Posted - 2010.09.04 00:00:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Cheque Please
HELTER SKELTER

... but I'm confused? If Bad Bobby can just kick the 5 director alt's out of the corp, what security does that even offer? I thought the point was so that he couldn't do just that and run off with everything.


The plan was, The alts would only be needed if he died. No one really thought about him scamming.


Sorta correct. The theory was to prvent the scam we would keep bpo's locked down since we controlled 800 shares, bad only 200. Problem is the investors voted to create more voting shares after i said it was a bad idea. So 600 more shares were created, meaning bad bobby has same shares we do now.

So if one of the 4 of us dont sign in to vote the walks away with the bpo's.

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2010.09.04 00:02:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Proton Power

So if one of the 4 of us dont sign in to vote the walks away with the bpo's.


and Kazzac is MIA. That leaves Bobby with a majority.

Doesn't matter though and even with Kazzac, Bobby has the BPOs and no one else can do anything with them.


Estel Arador
Posted - 2010.09.04 00:07:00 - [12]
 

WTS: my three (3) T4U shares.

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.09.04 00:11:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Estel Arador
WTS: my three (3) T4U shares.


I hate to lowball you, but how much were the worth when they were on sale. I am broke but i'd love have at least 1 piece of EvE history.

Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
Posted - 2010.09.04 00:11:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Proton Power

Sorta correct. The theory was to prvent the scam we would keep bpo's locked down since we controlled 800 shares, bad only 200. Problem is the investors voted to create more voting shares after i said it was a bad idea. So 600 more shares were created, meaning bad bobby has same shares we do now.

So if one of the 4 of us dont sign in to vote the walks away with the bpo's.


Ah, that's a shame. I feel for the investors. It seems as soon as the MD population plunges down the scam slide, it inevitably heads right back up for another ride.

Either his account got hacked at the most opportunistic time, he is trying to move the blueprints without telling anyone (?), or he's an evil mastermind taking a run. Which one is the most likely?

Gather up everyone. Group hug.

Execer
Infinite Origins
Posted - 2010.09.04 00:16:00 - [15]
 

I just bought a 1000 shares 2 days ago! Maybe the guy I bought them from knew something! Heres to hoping...

(I realise that is a minor amount of isk compared to others, but still...)

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.09.04 00:19:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Execer
I just bought a 1000 shares 2 days ago! Maybe the guy I bought them from knew something! Heres to hoping...

(I realise that is a minor amount of isk compared to others, but still...)


How much was the cost per share? I didn't have any isk invested into this but i had thought about it.

Execer
Infinite Origins
Posted - 2010.09.04 00:21:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: AtheistOfFail
Originally by: Execer
I just bought a 1000 shares 2 days ago! Maybe the guy I bought them from knew something! Heres to hoping...

(I realise that is a minor amount of isk compared to others, but still...)


How much was the cost per share? I didn't have any isk invested into this but i had thought about it.


I paid 1.1m per share which seemed to be the going resale value at the time. Bobby was doing the 3rd party trading for free right up until last night.

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.09.04 00:23:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Execer
Originally by: AtheistOfFail
Originally by: Execer
I just bought a 1000 shares 2 days ago! Maybe the guy I bought them from knew something! Heres to hoping...

(I realise that is a minor amount of isk compared to others, but still...)


How much was the cost per share? I didn't have any isk invested into this but i had thought about it.


I paid 1.1m per share which seemed to be the going resale value at the time. Bobby was doing the 3rd party trading for free right up until last night.


That's still over 1.1 billion Shocked. Damn, sorry for you if this is a corp theft going on Sad

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.09.04 00:25:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Proton Power
So if one of the 4 of us dont sign in to vote the walks away with the bpo's.

There were 5 trustees.

Guess who has the 5th trustee's shares?

Proton Power
Amarr
Retirement Retreat
Posted - 2010.09.04 00:29:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Proton Power
So if one of the 4 of us dont sign in to vote the walks away with the bpo's.

There were 5 trustees.

Guess who has the 5th trustee's shares?



You we already know this, + you created 200 making it so you have 800. Meaning we tie at best (not sure whath appens then). But I am sure somone wont vote sooner or later.

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.09.04 00:32:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Proton Power
So if one of the 4 of us dont sign in to vote the walks away with the bpo's.

There were 5 trustees.

Guess who has the 5th trustee's shares?



You we already know this, + you created 200 making it so you have 800. Meaning we tie at best (not sure whath appens then). But I am sure somone wont vote sooner or later.

No. I have 1000. You have 800 between you.

I don't leave details like this to chance.

Proton Power
Amarr
Retirement Retreat
Posted - 2010.09.04 00:36:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Proton Power
So if one of the 4 of us dont sign in to vote the walks away with the bpo's.

There were 5 trustees.

Guess who has the 5th trustee's shares?



You we already know this, + you created 200 making it so you have 800. Meaning we tie at best (not sure whath appens then). But I am sure somone wont vote sooner or later.

No. I have 1000. You have 800 between you.

I don't leave details like this to chance.


Yea either way nothign we could do, over time you would win. Wish you the best of luck with your new found fortune.

Martosh Toma
Gallente
Fraction Investment
Posted - 2010.09.04 00:41:00 - [23]
 

so what if the trustees had demanded you'd make this installing process for the new trustees save, requiring you to create smaller blocks and having the new trustees confirming receiving the shares before creating new shares.

would this have kept the whole thing working as originally presented?

PinkFish
Posted - 2010.09.04 01:06:00 - [24]
 

I'm surprised Bobby didn't try to expand the offering further before he cut.

Bobby went very quick from his previous offerings of a few billion in traditional business to quick mega-size offering with t4u. I had invested previously (different char), but this quick expansion screamed scam. While I'm glad I didn't lose anything on this, I'm sad to see what was becoming an institution of EVE fall just like all of the others.

Maybe the next mega scam attempt will involve directors who enforce security early before the possibility of a scam exists.

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.09.04 01:10:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Martosh Toma
so what if the trustees had demanded you'd make this installing process for the new trustees save, requiring you to create smaller blocks and having the new trustees confirming receiving the shares before creating new shares.

would this have kept the whole thing working as originally presented?

Yes

Martosh Toma
Gallente
Fraction Investment
Posted - 2010.09.04 01:21:00 - [26]
 

Thought so.

BB, I need to go to sleep, need to be awake tomorrow supervising some sea scouts.
Could you please clearly confirm or deny whether I lost almost 24B (and others whatever they invested) on this? even if only privately?

I mean, this is just a game and I should not loose sleep over it, but the suspense and frequent updates are keeping me awake.

NuetTraderAlt
Posted - 2010.09.04 01:22:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Martosh Toma
Thought so.

BB, I need to go to sleep, need to be awake tomorrow supervising some sea scouts.
Could you please clearly confirm or deny whether I lost almost 24B (and others whatever they invested) on this? even if only privately?

I mean, this is just a game and I should not loose sleep over it, but the suspense and frequent updates are keeping me awake.



That money was gone the moment you gave it to someone else. Just act like that with your investments and you'll actually be surprised when something isn't a scam or a failscade.

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.09.04 01:24:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Martosh Toma
Thought so.

BB, I need to go to sleep, need to be awake tomorrow supervising some sea scouts.
Could you please clearly confirm or deny whether I lost almost 24B (and others whatever they invested) on this? even if only privately?

I mean, this is just a game and I should not loose sleep over it, but the suspense and frequent updates are keeping me awake.


Ok.

I can confirm that I have scammed something in the region of 850b from T4U and other ventures.

The UTU bond is not included in those that I have scammed. That bond is with Garmon, not me.

I'll provide more details later. I need to sleep too.

Martosh Toma
Gallente
Fraction Investment
Posted - 2010.09.04 01:26:00 - [29]
 

ok, thx and good night.

(and may you be podded for all eveturnity)

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.09.04 01:27:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 04/09/2010 01:27:27
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Martosh Toma
Thought so.

BB, I need to go to sleep, need to be awake tomorrow supervising some sea scouts.
Could you please clearly confirm or deny whether I lost almost 24B (and others whatever they invested) on this? even if only privately?

I mean, this is just a game and I should not loose sleep over it, but the suspense and frequent updates are keeping me awake.


Ok.

I can confirm that I have scammed something in the region of 850b from T4U and other ventures.

The UTU bond is not included in those that I have scammed. That bond is with Garmon, not me.

I'll provide more details later. I need to sleep too.


I'm buying every share anyone can spare for 1 isk each. I'm really bored so just send them and i'll send you some isk or send me a mail.

PS: Threw this into the ISD news leads cause it might just be my lucky day to be on the first page.

PSS: I'm getting my merlin. I swear.


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