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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.08.30 00:18:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Aldiree Antima
Edited by: Aldiree Antima on 27/08/2010 19:15:45
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Rowbin Hod
The the location node running on just one of those cores? what are the other cores doing?
... nothing. There is just one node running on this blade currently.


Is there a chance that we will see a multithread version of location node logik? (Maybe in the next three years or so?Cool) Or is the logik itself not multithreading friendly?

Read the Follow-Up-Thread on CCP Warlocks Dev Blog.. I think she entioned some stuff into this dierction, but said explicitely that she can't and won't give details/timeframes.. only that its on the table as far as I did understand it

CCP Yokai

Posted - 2010.08.30 13:02:00 - [152]
 

Okay so here's the deal.

Testing is going REALLY well.

We tried the server on its default configuration to get a baseline. We have since disabled hyper threading... turned on turbo boost to max... and let the little hamsters take a few more pills.

Yesterday Jita peaked about 1550 players... with the server CPU hanging around at 80%.

Less than a month ago the CPU was at a near flat line 100% at just 1400 players. Part of this change is because of the super smart software guys making some changes (not going to steal their dev blog thunder) and then this new hardware.

Just has now been set to an 1800 limit from its previous 1400. I'd love to see that limit tested too. The goal is not to have a massive fleet fight in Jita. That's not a true indicator of the performance heuristics of Jita. But, if you can and if you are willing... please spend a bit of time in Jita today.

Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2010.08.30 15:43:00 - [153]
 

I think CCP might get more results if they send a notification to everyone's EVEMail when they want us to participate in a test. I don't want to get a bunch of spam from CCP to buy things, but a simple notification and a personal email requesting aid would probably bring people by the thousands.

Hawk TT
Caldari
Bulgarian Experienced Crackers
Posted - 2010.08.30 19:57:00 - [154]
 

Yes, CCP, you have to post fresh announcement, because the "New Jita hardware" thread is not part of the blog-roll, it was posted on the home page and now it's burried below other topics.

Why don't you just ask people to log in to Jita prior to the mass testing on Thursday? Post a Blog, a New item + EVE Mail ;-)

Clee eelc
Posted - 2010.08.30 21:17:00 - [155]
 

CCP could give 1 million to everyone on during the test. it might attract new players.

Tessty
Posted - 2010.08.30 21:55:00 - [156]
 

@Clee - no that would be, give CCP 1 million isk and they will double it for testing the new hardware.

mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2010.08.30 22:01:00 - [157]
 

Edited by: mechtech on 30/08/2010 22:05:03
Originally by: Jim Luc
I think CCP might get more results if they send a notification to everyone's EVEMail when they want us to participate in a test. I don't want to get a bunch of spam from CCP to buy things, but a simple notification and a personal email requesting aid would probably bring people by the thousands.


That's what the calender is for.

edit: Assuming changing sockets isn't too big a deal, you might as well wait for 32nm Sandy Bridge Intel processors coming out very soon. They're an additional 15% faster clock for clock over Nehalem (and run higher clocks with a more aggressive Turbo Boost). That means that any advantage seen from moving from Wolfdale to Nehalem (what's currently being tested) will be matched again from moving to Sandy Bridge.

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2010.08.30 22:43:00 - [158]
 

I remember the times when jita died as there were 600 or so players..no it runs good with over 1000..good job on thatWink

Fam Trinly
Posted - 2010.08.31 02:58:00 - [159]
 

Edited by: Fam Trinly on 31/08/2010 05:09:55
Arrow I was in Jita yesterday (7 times from 16 to 18 GMT), have not activate my modules, only jumping/docking.

My PC config is: Pentium D945 3,4Ghz (2 cores), 2+GB DDR2 RAM, Eve client on sata SSD (SLC), ATI Radeon HD 5870, WinXP SP3, fresh DirectX 9c. 1920*1200 all shaders at high quality, brackets in overview.

I watched with in-game fps-counter and results was:
1) 1k local in Jita - lower fps on undocking 4-4 and jumping to/from perimeter - near 15
2) 1,3k local in Jita - lower fps on undocking 4-4 and jumping to/from perimeter - near 7

on undocking spot wich is 3k km far from 4-4 station - no lags, average fps was around 55 (like in other solar systems).

trading and contracting with 1k and 1,3k local was normal ... sometimes 3-5 seconds of waiting contract data to refresh after accepting.

Jita Alt666
Posted - 2010.08.31 23:52:00 - [160]
 

I heard that a ccp employee told a csm that we were allowed to attempt to break jita. That they simply wanted as many people in local as possible.

Is this true? Will I get into trouble for logging all my accounts on and sitting on all gates/undocks and insynch launching smart bombs?

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.09.01 02:53:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Jita Alt666
I heard that a ccp employee told a csm that we were allowed to attempt to break jita. That they simply wanted as many people in local as possible.

Is this true? Will I get into trouble for logging all my accounts on and sitting on all gates/undocks and insynch launching smart bombs?

For once Jitafest is an 'approved' activity. Wink

NekoKitten
Gallente
Blake Industries
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
Posted - 2010.09.01 10:52:00 - [162]
 

CL9 memory isnt particulary low latency ;) There is faster memory available .. And I would've chosen Intel solid state disks, as those are lightning fast. (when you're spending money on 10k SAS disks, then you can spend the same money on SSD's as well) Just my idea ..

Ban Doga
Posted - 2010.09.01 13:02:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: NekoKitten
And I would've chosen Intel solid state disks, as those are lightning fast. (when you're spending money on 10k SAS disks, then you can spend the same money on SSD's as well) Just my idea ..


Then you would have spent money for useless hardware, since the node does not store game data on local disks.

Crieton
Posted - 2010.09.01 14:50:00 - [164]
 

What chassis do you guys use? BladeCenter H? Also, I know that blade supports 2 addins, have you used any of slots? I assume the FC backhaul card is installed but what about extra 1gbit ports?

CCP Yokai

Posted - 2010.09.01 19:45:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Crieton
What chassis do you guys use? BladeCenter H? Also, I know that blade supports 2 addins, have you used any of slots? I assume the FC backhaul card is installed but what about extra 1gbit ports?


Blade Center H

No need for fiber channel or extra gig-E cards on the server... none of that really helps. No disk I/O local or remote attached. And, the network throughput of EVE is very minimal.

CCP Yokai

Posted - 2010.09.01 19:47:00 - [166]
 

Edited by: CCP Yokai on 01/09/2010 20:57:46
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Jita Alt666
I heard that a ccp employee told a csm that we were allowed to attempt to break jita. That they simply wanted as many people in local as possible.

Is this true? Will I get into trouble for logging all my accounts on and sitting on all gates/undocks and insynch launching smart bombs?

For once Jitafest is an 'approved' activity. Wink


We are asking players to do what they normally do in Jita as much as possible not to skew the test results anymore than we need to. But, some people do that stuff in Jita too :)

Jita is protected by a population cap (currently set to 1800), in the evet the server is over capacity we can simply reduce the cap to protect system stability. Breaking Jita completely is not... dare I say it... possible.

Jita Alt666
Posted - 2010.09.01 20:18:00 - [167]
 

You havent answered my question:
Is it true a ccp employee has given the playerbase permission to attempt to break the Jita node? In other words before I contemplate this notion I want to have it in writing that I and others are not going to face bans for causing issues.

CCP Yokai

Posted - 2010.09.01 20:27:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: Jita Alt666
You havent answered my question:
Is it true a ccp employee has given the playerbase permission to attempt to break the Jita node? In other words before I contemplate this notion I want to have it in writing that I and others are not going to face bans for causing issues.


We've asked players to log on in Jita and play EVE.

If you do that and just that... there will be no issue. If you decide the best way to help us TEST or BREAK Jita is by means outside the EULA... then you do so at your own risk.

Does that answer your question?

Jita Alt666
Posted - 2010.09.01 20:38:00 - [169]
 

So the ccp employee who told a csm to: "Log in as many as you can in jita we challenge you to break it" needs to be censured by his employer.

Stick Cult
Posted - 2010.09.01 20:39:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: Stick Cult on 01/09/2010 20:39:49
Originally by: Jita Alt666
So the ccp employee who told a csm to: "Log in as many as you can in jita we challenge you to break it" needs to be censured by his employer.

No you're just twisting his words... Rolling Eyes

They want to test Jita by getting people in it. If it breaks, meh. If you're spamming lag inducing **** like there's no tomorrow, I bet they don't want that, as it wouldn't be an accurate test.

Jita Alt666
Posted - 2010.09.01 20:50:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Stick Cult
Edited by: Stick Cult on 01/09/2010 20:39:49
Originally by: Jita Alt666
So the ccp employee who told a csm to: "Log in as many as you can in jita we challenge you to break it" needs to be censured by his employer.

No you're just twisting his words... Rolling Eyes

They want to test Jita by getting people in it. If it breaks, meh. If you're spamming lag inducing **** like there's no tomorrow, I bet they don't want that, as it wouldn't be an accurate test.


Quote:

CCP Yokai contacted CSM today with a challenge: Let's Break Jita Tonight!

As most everyone knows, Jita consistently places a heavy load on servers. Because of that, CCP began testing recent lag-related improvements to hardware and software in Jita. Test results indicate that Jita capacity has increased at least 25% compared to a month ago! The big question is: "Where's the tipping point now?"



yes totally twisted

ScreammShadow
Posted - 2010.09.01 20:54:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Stick Cult

... If you're spamming lag inducing **** like there's no tomorrow, I bet they don't want that, as it wouldn't be an accurate test.


Guess u havnt been there in a while?, ALL hubs have spamming like nuts. So it would, in a way, be acurate.

CCP Yokai

Posted - 2010.09.01 20:55:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Jita Alt666
Originally by: Stick Cult
Edited by: Stick Cult on 01/09/2010 20:39:49
Originally by: Jita Alt666
So the ccp employee who told a csm to: "Log in as many as you can in jita we challenge you to break it" needs to be censured by his employer.

No you're just twisting his words... Rolling Eyes

They want to test Jita by getting people in it. If it breaks, meh. If you're spamming lag inducing **** like there's no tomorrow, I bet they don't want that, as it wouldn't be an accurate test.


Quote:

CCP Yokai contacted CSM today with a challenge: Let's Break Jita Tonight!

As most everyone knows, Jita consistently places a heavy load on servers. Because of that, CCP began testing recent lag-related improvements to hardware and software in Jita. Test results indicate that Jita capacity has increased at least 25% compared to a month ago! The big question is: "Where's the tipping point now?"



yes totally twisted


There are no issues with the post. I asked the CCP employee to post that for me. It's quite clear we want as many players as possible in Jita. Do that :)

Thanks

Jita Alt666
Posted - 2010.09.01 21:01:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: ScreammShadow
Originally by: Stick Cult

... If you're spamming lag inducing **** like there's no tomorrow, I bet they don't want that, as it wouldn't be an accurate test.


Guess u havnt been there in a while?, ALL hubs have spamming like nuts. So it would, in a way, be acurate.


Thats one of my issues - technically spamming local is against the eula. However CCP have increasingly allowed it to roll unihibited. But if we succeeded in breaking a node and one of the tools we used was extreme local spam CCP would pull out the eula and claim we were different than what already occurs.

Likewise with anchored cans, timed drone release, grid manipulation, concord activation.

mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2010.09.01 21:14:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Jita Alt666

Thats one of my issues - technically spamming local is against the eula. However CCP have increasingly allowed it to roll unihibited. But if we succeeded in breaking a node and one of the tools we used was extreme local spam CCP would pull out the eula and claim we were different than what already occurs.

Likewise with anchored cans, timed drone release, grid manipulation, concord activation.


Oh come on, there's no need to be so technical. Cops can arrest you for J-walking, doesn't mean they have to.

Obviously CCP isn't going to gag/ban every noob who rolls into Jita and starts begging for isk. Likewise, CCP asking us to heavily load Jita is a special case for testing new server hardware.

On the other hand, people going into a system and deliberately trying to crash it by spamming cans and local is a different scenario, because the goal is not to test server hardware, but in most cases to annoy or kill another corp/player. If you're deliberately trying to use lag w/ extreme methods such as anchoring 1000 cans, timing drone releases, or activating 10k concord ships to gain an advantage, that's obviously overstepping the line.

Jita Alt666
Posted - 2010.09.01 21:19:00 - [176]
 

Edited by: Jita Alt666 on 01/09/2010 21:19:49
Originally by: mechtech
Originally by: Jita Alt666

Thats one of my issues - technically spamming local is against the eula. However CCP have increasingly allowed it to roll unihibited. But if we succeeded in breaking a node and one of the tools we used was extreme local spam CCP would pull out the eula and claim we were different than what already occurs.

Likewise with anchored cans, timed drone release, grid manipulation, concord activation.


Oh come on, there's no need to be so technical. Cops can arrest you for J-walking, doesn't mean they have to.

Obviously CCP isn't going to gag/ban every noob who rolls into Jita and starts begging for isk. Likewise, CCP asking us to heavily load Jita is a special case for testing new server hardware.

On the other hand, people going into a system and deliberately trying to crash it by spamming cans and local is a different scenario, because the goal is not to test server hardware, but in most cases to annoy or kill another corp/player. If you're deliberately trying to use lag w/ extreme methods such as anchoring 1000 cans, timing drone releases, or activating 10k concord ships to gain an advantage, that's obviously overstepping the line.


It's not a line its a grey band that CCP get to choose where you have gone to far. That is why when I recieved a mail saying: "CCP challenge us to break Jita" I logged in here and have asked for clarification.

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.09.01 21:28:00 - [177]
 

CCP, put this new node or whatever into Pure Blind, we will gladly break it for you in zero time.

Cergorach
Amarr
The Helix Foundation
Posted - 2010.09.01 21:49:00 - [178]
 

Scenario: 1800 EVE players sitting in station Jita 4-4, they all decide to hit the undock button at once. What happens on/to the server?

Stick Cult
Posted - 2010.09.01 21:54:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Cergorach
Scenario: 1800 EVE players sitting in station Jita 4-4, they all decide to hit the undock button at once. What happens on/to the server?

Smoke.

Jita Alt666
Posted - 2010.09.01 22:19:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Stick Cult
Originally by: Cergorach
Scenario: 1800 EVE players sitting in station Jita 4-4, they all decide to hit the undock button at once. What happens on/to the server?

Smoke.


Followed by CCP banning the accounts that are alts of non IT members, because again such an action is against the EULA


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