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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.25 09:02:00 - [31]
 

Note that GIL is less of an issue in stackless, since the switching between tasklets is handled by the interpreter instead of the kernel.

wr3cks
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.08.25 11:17:00 - [32]
 

You're boring us.

I'm writing this post using FireFox on Windows 7. I think Windows 7 performed significantly better than Vista. I will post a blog entry of several pages on the subject tomorrow.

Come Thursday, I will post a hardware blog to discuss the PC from which I am making this post, being sure to elaborate upon the difference between DDR2 and DDR3 RAM. I'll also tell you which way I point my fan (spoiler: out).

See you at the mass test, hope it works better.

Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2010.08.25 11:34:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: wr3cks
You're boring me.

I'm writing this post using FireFox on Windows 7. I think Windows 7 performed significantly better than Vista. I will post a blog entry of several pages on the subject tomorrow.

Come Thursday, I will post a hardware blog to discuss the PC from which I am making this post, being sure to elaborate upon the difference between DDR2 and DDR3 RAM. I'll also tell you which way I point my fan (spoiler: out).

See you at the mass test, hope it works better.


Fixed it for you...

0oO0oOoOo0o
Posted - 2010.08.25 11:45:00 - [34]
 

Thanks for all that blogs, but the only thing I need to know is: Will Eve lag ? Or not ?

Paknac Queltel
Baden's Army
Posted - 2010.08.25 13:20:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o
Thanks for all that blogs, but the only thing I need to know is: Will Eve lag ? Or not ?
Software will always lag. The real question is, when EVE lags less, how many more people will you bring?

Downer Demonic
Posted - 2010.08.25 14:05:00 - [36]
 

So what with 'corification' does this mean Dust is written in Python 2.7 ?

yani dumyat
Minmatar
Pixie Cats
Posted - 2010.08.25 16:22:00 - [37]
 

How many pythons does it take to fix rockets?

All these techy blogs are great but whenever a weapons system or ship class is considered borked it takes two or more years for CCP to do any rebalancing (Think lasers, then projectiles, rockets have been borked for well over a year now). I'll say that again - TWO YEARS TO DRAG THE REBALANCING TEAM OUT OF THE PUB AND MAKE THEM DO SOME WORK!

When are we going to see blogs about fixing fleet warfare, the UI, balance issues, wormhole scanner spam and other issues that affect large chunks of the playerbase?

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2010.08.25 19:28:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Jacob Stirling
Newbie trainee at current day programming has request for clarification:

"There is a lot of C code that needs recompiling."

C or C++?

I ask because from what I've read, C++ is the industry standard and that's what I'm focusing on. C#, as I understand it, is better suited for porting to consoles. But C++ is the computer standard, though, of course, others are used. But I would have thought standard C would be considered ancient by now.

Thought I might look at Python as well.
Stackless Python is written in C and Python.

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2010.08.25 19:31:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Downer Demonic
So what with 'corification' does this mean Dust is written in Python 2.7 ?
Parts of DUST 514 will be written in Stackless Python.

Enthral
Posted - 2010.08.25 20:54:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Paknac Queltel

I'm still looking for a language that combines the best of C and C# without adding the worst of C++...



We call that "Objective-C". Twisted Evil

Cryuji Eterna
Minmatar
The New Order.
Posted - 2010.08.25 20:56:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Jacob Stirling
Newbie trainee at current day programming has request for clarification:

"There is a lot of C code that needs recompiling."

C or C++?

I ask because from what I've read, C++ is the industry standard and that's what I'm focusing on. C#, as I understand it, is better suited for porting to consoles. But C++ is the computer standard, though, of course, others are used. But I would have thought standard C would be considered ancient by now.

Thought I might look at Python as well.


As a note, C may be ancient but it is still very much in use today - I believe it is the language of choice when programming embedded systems.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.25 21:45:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Jacob Stirling
Newbie trainee at current day programming has request for clarification:

"There is a lot of C code that needs recompiling."

C or C++?

If you think focusing on C++ over C is a 'choice', then you haven't really understood C++. Knowing the idioms of C is crucial if you want to be a good C++ programmer as the latter is a superset of the former. (Or rather share a common core)

wr3cks
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.08.25 22:09:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: wr3cks on 26/08/2010 06:45:44
Originally by: Freyya
Originally by: wr3cks
You're boring me.

I'm writing this post using FireFox on Windows 7. I think Windows 7 performed significantly better than Vista. I will post a blog entry of several pages on the subject tomorrow.

Come Thursday, I will post a hardware blog to discuss the PC from which I am making this post, being sure to elaborate upon the difference between DDR2 and DDR3 RAM. I'll also tell you which way I point my fan (spoiler: out).

See you at the mass test, hope it works better.


Fixed it for you...


Yes, because I'm the only person who thinks these dev blogs are getting more and more tangential and irrelevant. Still waiting to hear on content priorities....

Look, if you guys want to post a dev blog every time you take a dump so people can talk about how brown it is and how recently you appear to have eaten corn, knock yourselves out.

It doesn't make the silence on overall priorities and content any less loud.

edit:choice of adjective, colorful metaphor

Ryel Theon
Take A Wish Foundation
Posted - 2010.08.26 01:21:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Dennison Spade
I'm waiting for a blog post.. "WE FIXED THE LAG, NO MORE PROBLEMS"...

these posts are are written in geekese, it's good if you speak developer geek, but if you don't it's like reading wallpaper.. I've never understood the fascination with "programming" languages.. I can't wait to the day when all this crap is transparent to us and we just get good functionality. Who cares what you write you code in, all I care about is that it works...

one day.


You're playing an Internet Spaceships Game that is sometimes not-so-jokingly referred to as Spreadsheets Online and you're complaining about dev blogs being too geeky? Got it.

Paknac Queltel
Baden's Army
Posted - 2010.08.26 06:12:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Paknac Queltel on 26/08/2010 06:12:56
Originally by: wr3cks
Yes, because I'm the only person who thinks these dev blogs are getting more and more tendentious. Still waiting to hear on content priorities....
The dev blogs are getting biased? Are we reading the same dev blogs?

Specifically, how is this blog on upgrading to a new and fresh version of Python, and the problems it entailed, biased?

Originally by: Enthral
Originally by: Paknac Queltel

I'm still looking for a language that combines the best of C and C# without adding the worst of C++...



We call that "Objective-C". Twisted Evil

[Paknac disagree];
[Paknac breakDownSobbing];

EDIT: Whoops, forgot a semicolon. Embarassed

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.26 09:25:00 - [46]
 


Have you done any comparative performance testing on the two versions? The Eve client definitely seems sluggish since the this patch.

Taudia
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2010.08.26 09:53:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Taudia on 26/08/2010 09:54:41
Originally by: Wyke Mossari

Have you done any comparative performance testing on the two versions? The Eve client definitely seems sluggish since the this patch.


Maybe if you read the blog you would see the answer stated clearly right there...

Quote:
We run an extensive set of regression tests to ensure that everything works as before, and a full performance benchmark suite to verify that performance does not degrade.

Yeay Fritg
Caldari
Confrerie de Kaedri
Cluster Of Rebirth
Posted - 2010.08.26 12:52:00 - [48]
 

Sorry,

But CCP I just want a BackLog Bug Dev Blog !

Do you read the forums or will you moderate all our quality request if not in line with your marketing plan ?

Yeay

Boris Petroshevski
Posted - 2010.08.26 16:35:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Boris Petroshevski on 26/08/2010 16:35:42
I like the blogs... they may not say anything like "EUREKA!!! ITS ALL FIXED" but atleast i know youre over there doing stuffs =) I used to think the CCP gods were a magical construct made up by the leadership of NC, IT, SC, PL, Russians, and Chribba to keep everyone else in check so we couldnt become to powerful (wild imagination? or truth fact?). OK sure I had seen one in D-G and one in Y-MP but that doesnt mean they were real... I couldnt lock them and they left without a trace. Also anything that powerful would atleast be on one carrier killmail right?

I am curious though as someone else asked. Dust 514 is obviously sucking up some resources of CCP and had this very very cool video that came out and a small show off presentation, however, there hasnt been anything else I have seen about it? Is there anymore being released? I hate that its taking some programers off eve but the idea does sound cool and I am interested as to how it is coming along. Is there anymore information that has been posted or can be posted about it?

I learned to spell on CAOD

A'Krien
Posted - 2010.08.27 06:04:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: wr3cks
Edited by: wr3cks on 26/08/2010 06:45:44
Originally by: Freyya
Originally by: wr3cks
You're boring me.

I'm writing this post using FireFox on Windows 7. I think Windows 7 performed significantly better than Vista. I will post a blog entry of several pages on the subject tomorrow.

Come Thursday, I will post a hardware blog to discuss the PC from which I am making this post, being sure to elaborate upon the difference between DDR2 and DDR3 RAM. I'll also tell you which way I point my fan (spoiler: out).

See you at the mass test, hope it works better.


Fixed it for you...


Yes, because I'm the only person who thinks these dev blogs are getting more and more tangential and irrelevant. Still waiting to hear on content priorities....

Look, if you guys want to post a dev blog every time you take a dump so people can talk about how brown it is and how recently you appear to have eaten corn, knock yourselves out.

It doesn't make the silence on overall priorities and content any less loud.

edit:choice of adjective, colorful metaphor


Yes and they are fixing and releasing new content using the language they built the game on. It's VERY interesting to people with knowledge in programming languages because language defines the turn around time for dev efforts.

This kind of blog will take... 30 minutes to write. It's not going to be a massive task that will stop development for all the developers employed by CCP working on EVE. If you don't like these kind of information, DON'T READ IT.

Khorr Dark
Posted - 2010.08.27 10:47:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Dennison Spade
these posts are are written in geekese, it's good if you speak developer geek

Educational video

Seriously, if you don't care for the tech, then why the hell are you reading developer blogs?

CCP porkbelly

Posted - 2010.08.28 01:02:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Jacob Stirling
Newbie trainee at current day programming has request for clarification:

"There is a lot of C code that needs recompiling."

C or C++?


I use "C" as a generic term here, much as when I hoover my xeroxes. We have all kinds of "C" code: C, C++, even assembly code. It is nasty business, but even the most noble and beautiful princess must touch the ground with her feet.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.28 07:26:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Rakshasa Taisab on 28/08/2010 07:26:22
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Enthral
Originally by: Paknac Queltel

I'm still looking for a language that combines the best of C and C# without adding the worst of C++...



We call that "Objective-C". Twisted Evil

[Paknac disagree];
[Paknac breakDownSobbing];

I hope you're not going to jump off a bridge if I tell you I program using Objectice-C++ and love it.

ddooxx
Posted - 2010.09.14 00:19:00 - [54]
 

Thank you porkbelly!

Originally by: Khorr Dark

Seriously, if you don't care for the tech, then why the hell are you reading developer blogs?

QFT^^^

Don't let some of the posters get to you; contemplating the employment salary and prospect of a programmer versus some of the above posters should provide some satisfaction.


Originally by: Freyya
Edited by: Freyya on 25/08/2010 07:07:00How far are you tied down by the design fundementals of Python/stackless or not in regards to multiple cores? Are you pretty much tied to the definitions it provides or can you rewrite the core code parts of Python to stomp away the stupid things it makes you do? As to avoiding the whole spaghetti workarounds and such...


That is always the biggest question I have. My computers are coming with more and more processors, cores and hyperthreads running at a clock speed that is increasing slowly. Single core performance is growing, but not nearly by Moore's Law. A lot of software vendors relied on that (Bill Gates strategy was that "hardware was free") I just think that EVE will be using a smaller and smaller percentage of the computing power of my machines.

Does 2.7 address this? 3.2? Can you share your thoughts on what is the current path towards being able to leverage several cores?



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