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Brennivargur
Posted - 2010.08.24 15:07:00 - [1]
 

Has anyone tried wine 1.3 with an ATI card? Does that mouse cursor problem still exist?

Ravow
Minmatar
Cosmic Encounter
Mayhem.
Posted - 2010.08.24 15:29:00 - [2]
 

Yeah it persist,

Tested with Wine 1.3 + Catalyst 10.6, Catalyst 10.7, r600c and r600g.

Lothros Andastar
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.31 14:59:00 - [3]
 

Still there on 1.3.1 and 10.7 also. Haven't tried 10.8 because supposedly ATi ****ed them up.

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.09.15 23:53:00 - [4]
 

Using wine is a very scuzzy way of running applications on linux. In the same way people would say useing kazazz to get music online is scuzzy.

So I would recommend that you just run a VMware image. Its free its 100% compatible with every OS out there and the resources used by the abstraction layer are 1/2 the resources that would be used had you just booted into windows.

Inappropriate content removed. Jericho

Xianthar
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.09.16 00:50:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Xianthar on 16/09/2010 00:51:47
Originally by: Xenuria
garbage


what are you railing about with this terrible attitude? wine is how 99% of us play eve under linux.

VMware/virtualbox/kvm would all require a windows license (aka not 'free') more over last i knew most of the 3d support in vmwares line was limited to vmware workstation which certainly isn't free. vmware server/player had fairly limited 3d support, not even sure eve would run. i haven't used vmware on the desktop for a couple years tho. last time i checked the 3d performance of any of them was still pretty terrible for anything other than light use, like running aero.

I use virtualbox on a daily bases for some windows only dev tools but i wouldn't even consider trying to run 3 eve clients in it, it its far from stellar and no where near the performance of wine even when only running 1 client.

now idea what you mean by scuzzy, in both cases most of what you need is a direct3d to opengl translation layer, both approaches require this. The rest is implementing support OS calls. Why would you get access to these calls by running an entire OS on top of a VM when all you need is a few functions which wine implements just fine?

Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
Posted - 2010.09.16 09:11:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
silly stuff


8/10, but the Linux forums are not the best place to troll, you don't get much attention here. Move on.

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.09.16 14:14:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Xianthar
Edited by: Xianthar on 16/09/2010 00:51:47
Originally by: Xenuria
garbage


what are you railing about with this terrible attitude? wine is how 99% of us play eve under linux.




If you are indeed telling me the truth then I am at a loss of words. That is so asinine and ridiculous that the next thing I expect to hear is that everybody uses redhat linux.

Look I am not saying linux is my area of skill, however I did take classes on it and I do use it regularly in the workforce. I have never met somebody in the field that preferred wine. It's a really bad emulator.

There are a plethora of ways to run exe files on linux without downloading any additional software. Granted those ways require a signifigent level of skill and experience to be implemented properly and without fault. Linux is an OS that can run ANYTHING! Anything from any OS can run on linux!

However the thaught of a bunch of people useing wine to play eve on linux just infuriates me. I mean it's so stupid, I must be getting trolled. But part of me realises that the chances of this being a troll are small. However I hold out on the idea that this forum is not full of script kids.

Also with Vmware the assumption is that you have a windows pc somewhere. Otherwise why would you even know or give a crap about eve. You presumably have played it in the past on a windows system otherwise why would you play it at all.

I digress, if you are student like most eve players then vmware could be super cheap or even free depending on what classes you are taking. Once again an assumption on my part. This is my mistake to assume things.

Just... wine... Really? Gah! Preposterous!

kakmonstret
Posted - 2010.09.16 17:04:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: kakmonstret on 16/09/2010 17:18:35
Okay I will bite... Shakes head...
I'm pretty sure this is a really silly troll but still here goes...

First if you run eve on windows on vmware you are not really for real running eve on Linux now are you? If any problems comes your way here they are most likely windows problems with the same solutions as other windows problems (in this particularly case shutdown the toy OS and use your real os instead Razz).

What is scuzzy about wine? Sure downloading the directx runnables and installing them on a Linux machine is probably some sort of violation of the eula but really have any one ever been targeted for that?

The most important thing for most of us here is that emulation for the full OS is no where as lightweight as wine is. Also this:
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It's a really bad emulator.

Is just so silly, wine isn't a emulator in that sense it's even in the name WINE:"Wine Is Not a Emulator". Razz

There sure are things where you really need a full windows install (I'm happy to not need that right now Smile) and for that vmware or similarly is a good solution but this is not one of them. So why on earth do you bring a pile driver when then smallest hammer works perfectly?

Quote:
There are a plethora of ways to run exe files on linux without downloading any additional software. Granted those ways require a signifigent level of skill and experience to be implemented properly and without fault. Linux is an OS that can run ANYTHING! Anything from any OS can run on linux!


Uhm what? In what magical world does a Linux install come with complete win32 and directX support? I don't really understand what you are smoking here but it can't be good for your health. Hell it's very easy to put together a Linux system that can't run most Linux binaries, nuke gtk/kde and a huge amount of apps can't run, nuke xlibs and even more is lost. Remove a pile of c-libs and even less runs but it is till a valid Linux system. Change the platform from ia32/amd64 and the few commercial Linux apps that is around will be hell to impossible to run. Lastly this specifically:

Quote:
Granted those ways require a signifigent level of skill and experience to be implemented properly and without fault.


Wine is one way where others in a opensource community have used their "signifigent level of skill and experience" to do exactly what you say here.

Quote:
Also with Vmware the assumption is that you have a windows pc somewhere. Otherwise why would you even know or give a crap about eve. You presumably have played it in the past on a windows system otherwise why would you play it at all.


Humm well I don't know, maybe you have played it at a friend, maybe you had a windows machine when the parents paid the monies to billy, maybe you had a illegal windows machine but you didn't want to mess with all the problems any more or any other of the hundreds of reasons to *not* have a windows machine any more? I can say that I for one don't have a windows machine and I don't plan on spending money for a OS that I don't like, that makes me irritated and in many ways for me generates more problems then my current setup.

I even run the test versions of wine and have very little problems with it, sure maybe twice a year a regression hits and I have to mess with it a bit. Also if you look at most of the problems here they are mostly related to the sad state of 3D drivers on Linux not related to wine directly.

Just... VMware... Really? Gah! Preposterous!

Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
Posted - 2010.09.16 17:10:00 - [9]
 

I'll start by also saying that Wine is the only decent option for large games like Eve. Nothing else other than a dedicated port is up to the task.

Now for one more rebuttal:
Originally by: Xenuria
... the next thing I expect to hear is that everybody uses redhat linux.

It's a safe bet that Ubuntu is by far the most popular.

Quote:
I have never met somebody in the field that preferred wine. It's a really bad emulator.

It's my first port of call for many Windoze based tools. And while Wine has been known to fail it is worth trying each and every time. Not to mention I have the option of fixing Wine myself.

And Wine is not an emulator, it provides a compatible ABI for the executables. A VM on the other hand does emulate. A VM can, to improve performance, hook into the client OS and replace whole functions that have some of the more painful accesses to hardware. At this point the VM is no longer emulating but providing a compatible replacement function.

Quote:
There are a plethora of ways to run exe files on linux without downloading any additional software.

Without recompiling? There is the translation layer method and there is the virtual machine + another whole OS method. That's basically only two ways.

Quote:
... Granted those ways require a signifigent level of skill and experience to be implemented properly and without fault. Linux is an OS that can run ANYTHING! Anything from any OS can run on linux!

Huh?

Quote:
However I hold out on the idea that this forum is not full of script kids.

Speak for yourself.

Quote:
Also with Vmware the assumption is that you have a windows pc somewhere. Otherwise why would you even know or give a crap about eve. You presumably have played it in the past on a windows system otherwise why would you play it at all.

We aren't hermits, we don't ignore every piece of promotion, the web is not a M$ product.

Wine does a great job of sharing the products of a closed community with the wider world.


Xianthar
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.09.16 20:47:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Xenuria

If you are indeed telling me the truth then I am at a loss of words. That is so asinine and ridiculous that the next thing I expect to hear is that everybody uses redhat linux.



You have no idea what your even talking about. What does redhat even have to do with this?

Originally by: Xenuria

Look I am not saying linux is my area of skill, however I did take classes on it and I do use it regularly in the workforce. I have never met somebody in the field that preferred wine. It's a really bad emulator.



Right, because running a windows VM in a server environment has so much in common with running a windows video game on a linux desktop. Where do you work? I want to make sure i never hire them for anything.

Originally by: Xenuria

There are a plethora of ways to run exe files on linux without downloading any additional software. Granted those ways require a signifigent level of skill and experience to be implemented properly and without fault. Linux is an OS that can run ANYTHING! Anything from any OS can run on linux!



Suspect troll, if not, please describe the process by which to load an executable in window's exe format on a system that uses ELF as its executable format, such as linux, without 'downloading additional software'. Recompiling/linking is not allowed and we'll just skip the absence of the required non POSIX OS calls / library calls.

Originally by: Xenuria

However the thaught of a bunch of people useing wine to play eve on linux just infuriates me. I mean it's so stupid, I must be getting trolled. But part of me realises that the chances of this being a troll are small. However I hold out on the idea that this forum is not full of script kids.



This entire paragraph makes no sense at all. Wine is really the only way to play windows games at decent performance levels under linux. Some games even perform better than under windows. I also use wine quite happily for several windows only development programs and it out-performs running in a VM by a solid margin.

Originally by: Xenuria

Also with Vmware the assumption is that you have a windows pc somewhere.



Not sure what you mean? You need to own a windows license for the VM regardless of any other computers you may have.

Originally by: Xenuria

Otherwise why would you even know or give a crap about eve. You presumably have played it in the past on a windows system otherwise why would you play it at all.



Been playing 5 years, been running linux as my core OS on all computers I use for 4 years, so been playing eve under wine for a long time. There are several windows games i've only ever played under linux/wine. I do keep a few windows VM's around for work related EE tools that don't play will with wine and for testing use.

Originally by: Xenuria

I digress, if you are student like most eve players then vmware could be super cheap or even free depending on what classes you are taking. Once again an assumption on my part. This is my mistake to assume things.



Most eve players are students? Wasn't the average age CCP released like 28?

Originally by: Xenuria

Just... wine... Really? Gah! Preposterous!


You have no idea what your even talking about. If assume your still in school, you may want to retake your systems programming class, you missed a few things.

crastar
Posted - 2010.09.19 23:00:00 - [11]
 

Dont feed the troll.

Spins Meats
Gallente
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2010.09.22 04:41:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Using wine is a very scuzzy way of running applications on linux. In the same way people would say useing kazazz to get music online is scuzzy.

So I would recommend that you just run a VMware image. Its free its 100% compatible with every OS out there and the resources used by the abstraction layer are 1/2 the resources that would be used had you just booted into windows.



0/10. 3D handling by virtualization software is, invariably, terrible. (this is Microsoft's fault, you have to NDA your life away in order to implement a 3d hardware driver that will talk to 'real' directx, all of the virtual 3D approaches currently involve overloading d3d DLLs with Wine ones and virtualizing OpenGL instead.)

You're either trolling, drunk, or stupid. You choose.

Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
Posted - 2010.09.22 12:21:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Spins Meats
... all of the virtual 3D approaches currently involve overloading d3d DLLs with Wine ones and virtualizing OpenGL instead.

Technically, it's not virtual. Wine is working at an API/ABI level. It's just another implementation of the Win32/DX APIs. Just like each new release of Windoze is itself another implementation.


Kaliba Mort
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2010.09.24 04:15:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Originally by: Xianthar
Edited by: Xianthar on 16/09/2010 00:51:47
Originally by: Xenuria
garbage


what are you railing about with this terrible attitude? wine is how 99% of us play eve under linux.




Look I am not saying linux is my area of skill, however I did take classes on it and I do use it regularly in the workforce. I have never met somebody in the field that preferred wine. It's a really bad emulator.




Stop trolling and being a general ******. Firstly,

1. Wine *works*
2. Wine is not an emulator, it's a native API library
3. Apps are not "emulated" with wine. Or will you say that X.Org is also an "emulator" for Firefox?

Secondly, your "solution" shows how little you know about apps. I run Windows under KVM for apps like Visual Studio 2008 and actually testing under Windows, but I would never try to run EVE under Windows under KVM, or WMWare or similar.


PS. This thread should be locked for trolling. If you want to troll, go to CAOD or something like that.


 

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