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Yuki Kulotsuki
Posted - 2010.08.21 02:16:00 - [151]
 

I don't always derp. But when I do, I herp a derp.

P.S. you don't edit snipahs.

Sajad
Posted - 2010.08.21 02:16:00 - [152]
 

If it makes you feel better, I prefer sexism in EVE over racism in EVE.

Zeke Mobius
Posted - 2010.08.21 02:23:00 - [153]
 

NACHOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 02:27:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: Rpeg
First off your scenario has nothing to do with original post.

I wouldn't say nothing, but it's certainly far off the beaten path.

Quote:
i'm going to hope you [...] lack life experience [...] Your question pre-supposes that a black person would call it wrong if anyone else said n*****.

That's pretty much how it FEELS like from reading this thread or listening to the media, or just about any source I can get access to.
Hint : in my entire life, I could probably count on my hands the number of black people I've seen in close proximity, and only one of them was from the USA (rest were just "plain ole' african"). The black guy from the USA was the fiancée of the best friend of my girlfriend, coming to Romania to visit "her family" before the wedding.
At no point in time have I ever heard the n-word uttered in real-life in a derogatory manner.

Quote:
The bottom line is, if a black person i did not know called me a n***** to my face, I could have a range of reactions. However my imagination would not place them in the category of, "This guy hates me for my race." (note: i am black). If someone I didn't know, who isn't black, said that to my face, the possibility of them actually being racist against me increases. Thus I would be uncomfortable, nervous or even feel threatened in a situation like that. It depends on context and your hypothetical question doesn't factor that in.

So, basically, you admit you do react differently to the exact same situation based on the other person's skin colour alone.

Quote:
My point is that people here should stop being so stupid to pretend that they don't understand why a black person could be uncomfortable when a non-black person uses that word.

I never said that.
I fully understand WHY a black person would feel uncomfortable hearing it, and I agree.
You probably don't use it. I probably won't ever use it either. But quite a few african-americans DO use it, even if it's just with people they know, the thing is, IT IS USED.
I'd much rather NOBODY used it at all, then we can all agree it's "a bad thing to say".
But no, african-americans just had to feel "empowered" or whatnot and "take it over" or whatever.
As long as it keeps being used in any one instance without causing offense, it's at least a bit racist to say that if somebody of the "wrong" race uses it it's AUTOMATICALLY racist.
The only thing I am saying is that it's a bit HYPOCRITICAL to automatically feel like that (offended when you hear it) while using the word yourself (not you-you, the general-you).

Johan Moisander
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.08.21 02:35:00 - [155]
 

Edited by: Johan Moisander on 21/08/2010 02:38:39
Suprisingly studies have shown that the word "******" is most commonly used in lower socioeconomic African American neighborhoods. Perhaps your friend is an African American living in one of these neighborhoods and he meant it as a term of endearment, e.g "pass dat yeyo my *****"?

Otherwise maybe he is mexican, they hate ******s you know.

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.21 02:38:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: Akita T

Quote:
The bottom line is, if a black person i did not know called me a n***** to my face, I could have a range of reactions. However my imagination would not place them in the category of, "This guy hates me for my race." (note: i am black). If someone I didn't know, who isn't black, said that to my face, the possibility of them actually being racist against me increases. Thus I would be uncomfortable, nervous or even feel threatened in a situation like that. It depends on context and your hypothetical question doesn't factor that in.

So, basically, you admit you do react differently to the exact same situation based on the other person's skin colour alone.




It's called CONTEXT. Context means you can use the word in a joke and it might be funny. You can use the word in an academic research paper and it might be informative. If a black persons says it it to me, I assume the likelyhood of them being a self-racist black who hates my guts is GREATLY DIMINISHED.


Originally by: Akita T
But no, african-americans just had to feel "empowered" or whatnot and "take it over" or whatever.


Yes, go read up on why some blacks felt the need to "take it over". The results are up for debate the intentions are not abstract.

Originally by: Akita T
As long as it keeps being used in any one instance without causing offense, it's at least a bit racist to say that if somebody of the "wrong" race uses it it's AUTOMATICALLY racist.


Here you are making assumptions again. Feeling uncomfortable when someone else uses it doesn't mean anyone is being called a racist. You just don't get it and don't relate. It's like if you're in a setting and you don't know if someone is making fun of you are not. You don't necessarily want to accuse anyone of doing that but it can make you uncomfortable when you feel confused by a situation.

Originally by: Akita T
The only thing I am saying is that it's a bit HYPOCRITICAL to automatically feel like that (offended when you hear it) while using the word yourself (not you-you, the general-you).



No, it's not hypocritical. If you use the word in a derogatory sense but don't think anyone else can use the word in a derogatory sense, then it is hypocritical. if you use the word in a familial sense but don't think anyone else can use it in a familial sense, then it is hypocritical. If you use the word and you're just comfortable when someone else uses the word because you don't know if it's meant as a joke or not, that's called being human.

The original poster didn't even call the other people racist. He simply stated he was disappointed with their attitude and use of the word.


Sajad
Posted - 2010.08.21 02:44:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Rpeg
You just don't get it and don't relate.


A foolproof argument.

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.21 02:45:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Sajad
Originally by: Rpeg
You just don't get it and don't relate.


A foolproof argument.


I like how you picked that line out and ignore the sensible argument I was making otherwise. However, do you think he gets it? 'Cause I don't.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 02:46:00 - [159]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 02:48:49
Originally by: Rpeg
[multiple snips]
It's called CONTEXT. Context means you can use the word in a joke and it might be funny.
[...]
The original poster didn't even call the other people racist. He simply stated he was disappointed with their attitude and use of the word.

He specifically said, and I quote...
Quote:
[...]one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant.

So, IN CONTEXT, it is relatively quite probable it was not initially meant to be offensive at all (for all we know, both speakers could have been black, or both could have been white and unaware any blacks were listening, or not cared at all about the race of any listeners), and that fact was sort of pointed out to him.
The eventual "racist rant" could have been very well been taken verbatim from non-racist posts in this very thread, which the OP could have been misinterpreting as racist, fueling increasingly vitriolic responses as a result of his offense over something that was not meant as offensive.
How's that for a possible scenario ?

P.S. I'm not saying that's what really happened. The guy initially saying the n-word could have been a jerk and the ensuing rant might have been actually racist.

Sajad
Posted - 2010.08.21 02:48:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Rpeg
I like how you picked that line out and ignore the sensible argument I was making otherwise.


It's what I do.

But regarding your point:

Originally by: Rpeg
However, do you think he gets it? 'Cause I don't.


I don't think either of you understands the other's argument.

Johan Moisander
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.08.21 02:50:00 - [161]
 

Edited by: Johan Moisander on 21/08/2010 02:53:21
Quote:


They say we N – I - Double G – E – R
We - are - much more,
Still we choose to ignore,
The obvious.
Man this history don't acknowledge us,
We was scholars long before colleges.

They say we N – I - Double G – E – R
We - are - much more,
But still we choose to ignore,
The obvious.
We are the slave and the master,
What you looking for?
You the question and the answer.


We trust no black leaders,
Use the stove to heat us,
Powder eggs and government cheeses,
The calendar was Martin, JFK, & Jesus,
Gotta be fresh
Go to school with fly sneakers.
Schools with outdated books,
We are the forgotten,
Summers coolin' off by the fire hydrant.
Yeah I'm from the ghetto,
Where old black women talk about they sugar level,
It's not unusual,
To see photos of dead homies' funerals,
Aluminum foil on t.v. antennas
Little TV sit on top the big TV eatin TV dinners,
Girls die they hair with kool-aid,
They gave us lemons we made lemonade,
But this *****'s paid,
Ancestry of slaves,
Descendant of Kings
It's necessary I,
Bling,
Puts rings on every thing
Where Timbs on every scene.




Do I mean it like a slave master?
******!
No!
I'm gangsta
Gotta eat rappers!
My abbreviation
Was young when I caught the cases,
That should mean the court could see my changes
Take off the bracelets,
Savage when broke,
Smoke sour diesel
Need no Bo-flex
My chest still cut-up like a bag of dope,
Thought patterns consist of boss matters,
Spit Moses' "Lost Commandments"
Like a gross sandwich out my mouth.
Toast to government cameras
Peepin us every week
I must have my cars homes & phones
Squeaked for bugs,
But this is what I was dreamin of,
Between cutting hard coke with new razors
Slicing my fingers up,
They use to string us up,
We wanted everything,
But the one bringing us cake be the snakes
Like the...
Like the New Jack City wedding scene
No time for mistakes trying to get it like




My nig...
Whattup my nig?
People afraid of criticism
But I always put myself in a sacrificial position!
They been know I ain't just rappin for fame,
I got my old homie
Yep! I'd give this cash up
This paper don't matter
They seen me from skinny to fatter
When I rap about war,
They got the tendency to scatter,
They ain't my backup no more,
So now my enemies are at my front door,
Cause any time we mention
Our condition, our history or existence,
They calling it reverse racism,
Still till today the street's torn,
My brother Jungle always have a seat for 'em
Not behind me - beside me
You'll always know where to find me,
They say the close ones will hurt you,
So let's keep a small circle,
On the road to riches, and diamond rings
In the land of the blind
The man with one eye is the king.



Poem by African gangsta poet, the politically persecuted Nas, reflecting on the use and meaning of the word and the implications of being a black man in America today. I think this thread needs the perspective of a real, proud black man. Too many whiteboys up in here talking ****

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.21 02:54:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rpeg
[multiple snips]
It's called CONTEXT. Context means you can use the word in a joke and it might be funny.
[...]
The original poster didn't even call the other people racist. He simply stated he was disappointed with their attitude and use of the word.

He specifically said, and I quote...
Quote:
[...]one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant.

So, IN CONTEXT, it is relatively quite probable it was not initially meant to be offensive at all (for all we know, both speakers could have been black, or both could have been white and unaware any blacks were listening, or not cared at all about the race of any listeners), and that fact was sort of pointed out to him.
The eventual "racist rant" could have been very well been taken verbatim from non-racist posts in this very thread, which the OP could have been misinterpreting as racist, fueling increasingly vitriolic responses as a result of his offense over something that was not meant as offensive.
How's that for a probable scenario ?



Not understanding the context when using volcanic words is the reason why using these words upsets people in the first place. It could've been misinterpreted. Exactly. We don't know. That's what happens when people you don't know are using offensive words indiscriminately. That's what happens when you can't quickly grasp the setting, context, person or intention behind it. You get upset, defensive or offended. Which is probably why this person said he thought it was inappropriate to use in the first place. It's a dangerous game when you dealing with people you don't know well. I wasn't there. Maybe the "offender" went on an ACTUAL racist rant. Do you think that's appropriate or that it was meant as joke? Who knows. That's the problem here. If it's a joke, it's a joke but on the internet you can't really grasp that. That's why a person could easily be offended by offensive language. Being offended by it is not inappropriate.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:03:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Rpeg
Being offended by it is not inappropriate.

True.
But then again, if it wasn't directed at you at all in the first place, and you were asked to drop it due to that by people that DO know better than you what the context is, if you keep pressing the matter to impose your viewpoint that any usage of the word is inappropriate in your presence, wouldn't you say THAT is a tiny bit inappropriate too ?

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:08:00 - [164]
 

Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 03:09:07
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rpeg
Being offended by it is not inappropriate.

True.
But then again, if it wasn't directed at you at all in the first place, and you were asked to drop it due to that by people that DO know better than you what the context is, if you keep pressing the matter to impose your viewpoint that any usage of the word is inappropriate in your presence, wouldn't you say THAT is a tiny bit inappropriate too ?



That depends on tons of factors. Social norms, decency, politeness, who's in charge, what type of group or social setting they desire, etc. The fact that someone responded with a "racist rant" suggests they had no interest in resolving this issue politely. They could've just told the guy to leave and left it at that. I barely think it's inappropriate to request things like that in any social setting. At the same time the group or leader has the option to deny their request.

Johan Moisander
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:09:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rpeg
[multiple snips]
It's called CONTEXT. Context means you can use the word in a joke and it might be funny.
[...]
The original poster didn't even call the other people racist. He simply stated he was disappointed with their attitude and use of the word.

He specifically said, and I quote...
Quote:
[...]one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant.

So, IN CONTEXT, it is relatively quite probable it was not initially meant to be offensive at all (for all we know, both speakers could have been black, or both could have been white and unaware any blacks were listening, or not cared at all about the race of any listeners), and that fact was sort of pointed out to him.
The eventual "racist rant" could have been very well been taken verbatim from non-racist posts in this very thread, which the OP could have been misinterpreting as racist, fueling increasingly vitriolic responses as a result of his offense over something that was not meant as offensive.
How's that for a probable scenario ?



Not understanding the context when using volcanic words is the reason why using these words upsets people in the first place. It could've been misinterpreted. Exactly. We don't know. That's what happens when people you don't know are using offensive words indiscriminately. That's what happens when you can't quickly grasp the setting, context, person or intention behind it. You get upset, defensive or offended. Which is probably why this person said he thought it was inappropriate to use in the first place. It's a dangerous game when you dealing with people you don't know well. I wasn't there. Maybe the "offender" went on an ACTUAL racist rant. Do you think that's appropriate or that it was meant as joke? Who knows. That's the problem here. If it's a joke, it's a joke but on the internet you can't really grasp that. That's why a person could easily be offended by offensive language. Being offended by it is not inappropriate.


You're too focused on this one specific instance. Instead you got to ask yourself, what does the word mean to me? What does it mean to others, what does it really mean spiritually, physically, mentally? Maybe a ***** is someone who is truly liberated, one who walks with god, tortured, bloodied and held in slavery for over 400 years, yet unbowed, proud, unrelenting. A warrior soul that can never be broken or tamed, taken from his home and his family, forced to take up arms against the system, yet undefeated and ready for the final struggle? Being a ***** can be something beautiful. You're too focused on whether other white people get offended when you use the word, and why are you saying being a ***** is a bad thing? I think if anything that's racist of you.

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:12:00 - [166]
 

Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 03:16:46
Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 03:15:54
Originally by: Johan Moisander


You're too focused on this one specific instance. Instead you got to ask yourself, what does the word mean to me? What does it mean to others, what does it really mean spiritually, physically, mentally? Maybe a ***** is someone who is truly liberated, one who walks with god, tortured, bloodied and held in slavery for over 400 years, yet unbowed, proud, unrelenting. A warrior soul that can never be broken or tamed, taken from his home and his family, forced to take up arms against the system, yet undefeated and ready for the final struggle? Being a ***** can be something beautiful. You're too focused on whether other white people get offended when you use the word, and why are you saying being a ***** is a bad thing? I think if anything that's racist of you.



No. I'm not.

I've been arguing about the ambiguity and possibilities of many contexts (meanings) and the discomfort and historical baggage that can come with it. I haven't touched the positive meanings but you still (unfortunately) rarely come across that use of the term.

You don't know me so I shouldn't be annoyed by your post but you're stating the obvious to me.


And no, having a understanding of the meanings of N!gger is not "racist" of me.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:17:00 - [167]
 

Well, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on the technicalities//details, because I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:19:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Well, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on the technicalities//details, because I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?



No, I think people should be allowed to use it. People just need to use it carefully, wisely and communicate why they're using it.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:22:00 - [169]
 

I think too many people get distracted by "Black people say it, why can't white people?" and don't realize that arguing one way or another is irrelevant.

Hip hop has a big cultural influence, especially on the young. The "n-word" is common in hip hop music. White kids, influenced by the culture of rap/hip hop, are getting more and more comfortable using the word casually. You can't impose a strong cultural influence on people and not expect them to adopt some of it.

So, yes, rap, not racism, is to blame for the revival of the n-word. That's probably something rappers should have thought of before they turned it into casual slang.

You can argue context all day, but put responsibility where it belongs.

Sajad
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:22:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T
I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?


No, I think people should be allowed to use it.


See my point?

Johan Moisander
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:22:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Johan Moisander


You're too focused on this one specific instance. Instead you got to ask yourself, what does the word mean to me? What does it mean to others, what does it really mean spiritually, physically, mentally? Maybe a ***** is someone who is truly liberated, one who walks with god, tortured, bloodied and held in slavery for over 400 years, yet unbowed, proud, unrelenting. A warrior soul that can never be broken or tamed, taken from his home and his family, forced to take up arms against the system, yet undefeated and ready for the final struggle? Being a ***** can be something beautiful. You're too focused on whether other white people get offended when you use the word, and why are you saying being a ***** is a bad thing? I think if anything that's racist of you.



No. I'm not.

I've been arguing about the ambiguity and possibilities of many contexts (meanings) and the discomfort and historical baggage that can come with it.

You don't know me so I shouldn't be annoyed by your post but you're stating the obvious to me.


Why are you acting condescending towards me because I brought up being black doesn't have to be a negative thing? Some of the greatest inventors, leaders, fighters and gangsters have been black. Look up people like George Washington Carver, Bumpy Johnson, Melvin Williams, Ricky Ross, Larry Hoover for some great black men!! You don't have to add (meanings) after you write contexts, I know the word, I'm not ignorant. I don't think you understand my point that being black is a great thing, I'm not just talking about "another context" of the word, I'm talking about the ACTUAL TRUTH of it.

You should try to be more open minded and understand that not all people secretely want to act or appear or write white!! If you're ignorant of what I mean you should ask instead of acting condescending.

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:25:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Sajad
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T
I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?


No, I think people should be allowed to use it.


See my point?


What's your point? I never once argued that some people shouldn't use the word. I argued that some people run up against different contextual meanings that have to be dealt with. If lil wayne called me n***** that's different than if david duke called me n*****.

Sajad
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:26:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Sajad
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T
I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?


No, I think people should be allowed to use it.


See my point?


What's your point? I never once argued that some people shouldn't use the word. I argued that some people run up against different contextual meanings that have to be dealt with. If lil wayne called me n***** that's different than if david duke called me n*****.


My point is that neither of you understands the other's argument. And apparently you don't understand mine either.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:31:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T
Well, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on the technicalities//details, because I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?

No, I think people should be allowed to use it. People just need to use it carefully, wisely and communicate why they're using it.

So, if I am a white guy (or a black guy with a "white voice", if you think you can tell skin colour by voice but never bothered to make my skin colour known), and the atmosphere in the chat is friendly, it's perfectly fine if I start a karaoke session of a n-word-heavy rap song ?
Or do I have to ask before in chat "hey, is anybody here black?" or "would you guys mind if I sang a song using the actual words used by the original songwriter" ?
Hey, what if I claimed I was a black person myself ? Would I have to ask for permission ?
What if I really am a black person, would I have to do that for fear of offending black people that don't know I'm black ? Would I have to keep broadcasting my skin colour over the voice comms every time somebody new joins, just so they wouldn't be offended ?
How much more ridiculous can those multiple standards of usage get anyway ?
No, better nobody uses and that's that.
LaughingRazz

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:32:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Rpeg

What's your point? I never once argued that some people shouldn't use the word. I argued that some people run up against different contextual meanings that have to be dealt with. If lil wayne called me n***** that's different than if david duke called me n*****.


Regardless, the reality is this: the more you use the word in casual conversation and art the more acceptable it becomes for everyone to use. It becomes "normal" slang.

If you don't want to hear it, stop using it and eventually it'll become taboo again.

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:34:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Sajad
I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?


No, I think people should be allowed to use it.


See my point?


What's your point? I never once argued that some people shouldn't use the word. I argued that some people run up against different contextual meanings that have to be dealt with. If lil wayne called me n***** that's different than if david duke called me n*****.


My point is that neither of you understands the other's argument. And apparently you don't understand mine either.


No, I understand your argument I'm sorry for pretending I didn't. Your argument is stupid. Why shouldn't people be allowed to use the word? Yeah, we still need to deal with issues of contextual meaning but why shouldn't anyone be allowed to use it? Mind you, I've not once suggested it's racist for non-blacks to use it. I've suggested that they run the risk of offending if the context of their usage is not clear or interpreted as negative*. I've suggested that THAT RISK is something a person needs to accept and it applies to many cultures in many circumstances.

*If you're upset that some people automatically assume it's negative, that's a separate issue. It's wrong to always assume it's negative but don't be ignorant enough to think that some people wont become confused, uncomfortable or come with baggage causing them to assume negative meaning. That's where communicating your intentions comes into play. Unfortunately some people are not open to that. That's unfortunate but that's not what I'm talking about here.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:35:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Sajad
My point is that neither of you understands the other's argument. And apparently you don't understand mine either.

I understand his assumptions but apparently disagree with his conclusions Twisted Evil
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Regardless, the reality is this: the more you use the word in casual conversation and art the more acceptable it becomes for everyone to use. It becomes "normal" slang.
If you don't want to hear it, stop using it and eventually it'll become taboo again.

Bingo.

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:36:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T
Well, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on the technicalities//details, because I think we both agree it would be better if NOBODY used the n-word... am I correct ?

No, I think people should be allowed to use it. People just need to use it carefully, wisely and communicate why they're using it.

So, if I am a white guy (or a black guy with a "white voice", if you think you can tell skin colour by voice but never bothered to make my skin colour known), and the atmosphere in the chat is friendly, it's perfectly fine if I start a karaoke session of a n-word-heavy rap song ?
Or do I have to ask before in chat "hey, is anybody here black?" or "would you guys mind if I sang a song using the actual words used by the original songwriter" ?
Hey, what if I claimed I was a black person myself ? Would I have to ask for permission ?
What if I really am a black person, would I have to do that for fear of offending black people that don't know I'm black ? Would I have to keep broadcasting my skin colour over the voice comms every time somebody new joins, just so they wouldn't be offended ?
How much more ridiculous can those multiple standards of usage get anyway ?
No, better nobody uses and that's that.
LaughingRazz



Yeah, I'm going to assume you're twelve.

If you went sang an n-word heavy rap song no matter what your background is, i would assume it's all in good fun. I could be wrong but that's how I would approach. Some people would approach it differently. Grow up.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:39:00 - [179]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 03:41:29
Originally by: Rpeg
If you're upset that some people automatically assume it's negative, that's a separate issue.

That's actually the ONLY issue I was ever talking about, and I have been stating that much repeatedly.
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It's wrong to always assume it's negative but don't be ignorant enough to think that some people wont become confused, uncomfortable or come with baggage causing them to assume negative meaning.

And in that particular case, if your assumption that the n-word can be used in some circumstances has any merit, I would expect them to chill the hell up when they're told it was not meant like they might have suspected it was used.

P.S. The OP didn't. And that's how the events that lead to the creation of this thread got started.

Johan Moisander
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.08.21 03:39:00 - [180]
 

Edited by: Johan Moisander on 21/08/2010 03:40:37
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Sajad
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita





What's your point? I never once argued that some people shouldn't use the word. I argued that some people run up against different contextual meanings that have to be dealt with. If lil wayne called me n***** that's different than if david duke called me n*****.


My point is that neither of you understands the other's argument. And apparently you don't understand mine either.


Rpeg doesn't seem to understand much... damnat non quad intellegent... (plato)


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