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Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.08.20 23:08:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: Amberlamps on 20/08/2010 23:08:45
Originally by: Mah'D

Well that makes sense considering your knowledge of your own history is about as in depth as a childrens book.

Also grow the **** up. If a word offends you because it was used during a period of slavery then you would not be using it amongst yourselves plain and simple. It is all a bunch of hipocritical bs like everything else going around in this world.


Well said, also would like to convey the point if you were intelligent enough you wouldn't use the word at all if you were so worried about being offended by it. Then again if I hear a white person saying Money I understand the context they mean, however if I hear a black person saying money I instantly become nervous, scared and somewhat poorer within moments.

I'm not a fan of the race card.

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.20 23:08:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Stick Cult
Edited by: Stick Cult on 20/08/2010 23:05:16
Originally by: Barakkus
All you people going on about "it's just a word" are probably too young to really understand the meaning behind it...there's a lot more to it than it being "just a word".

Enlighten me, please. In modern context, yes, it is just a word.

And to just be a total *******, I say I do have the right, as guaranteed by the 1st amendment. Very Happy I wouldn't, but I can.


At this point, you clearly just don't even want to li

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.08.20 23:11:00 - [123]
 

Edited by: Barakkus on 20/08/2010 23:13:29
Originally by: Stick Cult
Edited by: Stick Cult on 20/08/2010 23:05:16
Originally by: Barakkus
All you people going on about "it's just a word" are probably too young to really understand the meaning behind it...there's a lot more to it than it being "just a word".

Enlighten me, please. In modern context, yes, it is just a word.

And to just be a total *******, I say I do have the right, as guaranteed by the 1st amendment. Very Happy I wouldn't, but I can.


Google the civil rights movement of the 1960s if you want a modern explination of it. The 1960s and 1970s weren't that long ago, but of course with the ADHD children of today, last year is ancient history now.

And that little part about having the right to say that to John Lewis, you are an ignorant bastard if you think it's ok to call that man a n******. That man has lived through things that would make you curl up in the corner and cry for mommy. Show a little respect.

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.20 23:15:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Amberlamps
Edited by: Amberlamps on 20/08/2010 23:08:45
Originally by: Mah'D

Well that makes sense considering your knowledge of your own history is about as in depth as a childrens book.

Also grow the **** up. If a word offends you because it was used during a period of slavery then you would not be using it amongst yourselves plain and simple. It is all a bunch of hipocritical bs like everything else going around in this world.


Well said, also would like to convey the point if you were intelligent enough you wouldn't use the word at all if you were so worried about being offended by it. Then again if I hear a white person saying Money I understand the context they mean, however if I hear a black person saying money I instantly become nervous, scared and somewhat poorer within moments.

I'm not a fan of the race card.


What on earth are you talking about? If I said Moderated.Applebabe that would be pretty self-explanatory and then if you are offended, you can be. However if you later found out I was quoting someone else, it changes the meaning of my statement. If someone is saying N***** and I don't know the context of their statement, then my options are either it was a joke, reference or something intended to be insulting towards me (at least implicitly). In that process of negotiating the options, I am have to deal with a certain level of discomfort. Does that not make sense to people? The issues (for me) isn't that the word shouldn't be used. It's that you shouldn't be shocked that someone would be offended when you use it! Stop acting like ******s here. No one should be surprised about that.

Stick Cult
Posted - 2010.08.20 23:15:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Edited by: Barakkus on 20/08/2010 23:12:33
Originally by: Stick Cult
Edited by: Stick Cult on 20/08/2010 23:05:16
Originally by: Barakkus
All you people going on about "it's just a word" are probably too young to really understand the meaning behind it...there's a lot more to it than it being "just a word".

Enlighten me, please. In modern context, yes, it is just a word.

And to just be a total *******, I say I do have the right, as guaranteed by the 1st amendment. Very Happy I wouldn't, but I can.


Google the civil rights movement of the 1960s if you want a modern explination of it. The 1960s and 1970s weren't that long ago, but of course with the ADHD children of today, last year is ancient history now.

And that little part about having the right to say that to John Lewis, you are an ingnorant bastard if you think it's ok to call that man a n******. That man has lived through things that would make you curl up in the corner and cry for mommy. Show a little respect.

Making segregation in schools, the workplace, government, etc illegal?

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.08.20 23:16:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: Barakkus on 20/08/2010 23:17:38
Originally by: Stick Cult
Originally by: Barakkus
Edited by: Barakkus on 20/08/2010 23:12:33
Originally by: Stick Cult
Edited by: Stick Cult on 20/08/2010 23:05:16
Originally by: Barakkus
All you people going on about "it's just a word" are probably too young to really understand the meaning behind it...there's a lot more to it than it being "just a word".

Enlighten me, please. In modern context, yes, it is just a word.

And to just be a total *******, I say I do have the right, as guaranteed by the 1st amendment. Very Happy I wouldn't, but I can.


Google the civil rights movement of the 1960s if you want a modern explination of it. The 1960s and 1970s weren't that long ago, but of course with the ADHD children of today, last year is ancient history now.

And that little part about having the right to say that to John Lewis, you are an ingnorant bastard if you think it's ok to call that man a n******. That man has lived through things that would make you curl up in the corner and cry for mommy. Show a little respect.

Making segregation in schools, the workplace, government, etc illegal?


You're oversimplifying things just to be contrary...you sort of left out lynchings and murders based on race too...grow up and learn something instead of just being an annonymous internet troll.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2010.08.20 23:17:00 - [127]
 

Generally, the best way to insure that someone repeatedly uses a word that offends you in Eve is to say you're offended by the word.

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.20 23:18:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Sakrak
Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Taxmuch
I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?

I just don't understand, please enlighten me.

Tada and we got a winner.

I think you are in for quite a search if you want to find a european person who sees the 'n-word' as such a problem that apparently americans think it is. They say it against each other, but when someone else says it, it is suddenly all bad and emo?

Highly related, which shows why many non-americans really dont get this:
Ninja say what?
Ginga say what?



Let me start by saying I don't know the OP's motivations so I am making no accusations. But in America it is known as the race card. Certain groups have found that by shouting racism at every turn(whether true or not) they can intimidate others who are scared to death of being called racist. Heck someone may call me a racist for saying this.



Discomfort at the use of the word is not the race card. What you're doing is known as being and idiot. When you're dealing with a long history of the word being used as a racist term, then what do you expect? There is more gray area today, as there should be. However it's still difficult to understand your ignorant suggestion that anyone who is offended by the word is simply trying to manipulate the situation is grossly naive. I was called n****** from a stranger in a moving car a couple years ago. If I hypothesized that that fellow was a racist, am I all of a sudden playing the race card?

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.08.20 23:21:00 - [129]
 

One last thing, there is a documentary called "Eyes On the Prize" that those of you who think it's "just a word" need to watch if you truly want to understand the meaning behind that word.

ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.08.20 23:36:00 - [130]
 

dont let the 10 year old basement player get your down

morons throw around the N word to try and feel better and powerful


Sub Trader
Posted - 2010.08.20 23:40:00 - [131]
 

look for a new corp with grown up players with some kind of decency or standard of behaviour

Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.08.20 23:48:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Amberlamps
Edited by: Amberlamps on 20/08/2010 23:08:45
Originally by: Mah'D

Well that makes sense considering your knowledge of your own history is about as in depth as a childrens book.

Also grow the **** up. If a word offends you because it was used during a period of slavery then you would not be using it amongst yourselves plain and simple. It is all a bunch of hipocritical bs like everything else going around in this world.


Well said, also would like to convey the point if you were intelligent enough you wouldn't use the word at all if you were so worried about being offended by it. Then again if I hear a white person saying Money I understand the context they mean, however if I hear a black person saying money I instantly become nervous, scared and somewhat poorer within moments.

I'm not a fan of the race card.


What on earth are you talking about? If I said Moderated.Applebabe that would be pretty self-explanatory and then if you are offended, you can be. However if you later found out I was quoting someone else, it changes the meaning of my statement. If someone is saying N***** and I don't know the context of their statement, then my options are either it was a joke, reference or something intended to be insulting towards me (at least implicitly). In that process of negotiating the options, I am have to deal with a certain level of discomfort. Does that not make sense to people? The issues (for me) isn't that the word shouldn't be used. It's that you shouldn't be shocked that someone would be offended when you use it! Stop acting like ******s here. No one should be surprised about that.



What?

I'm still uncomfortable when a black man asks for ISK.

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.20 23:58:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Amberlamps


What?

I'm still uncomfortable when a black man asks for ISK.



And why is that?

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2010.08.21 00:01:00 - [134]
 

Edited by: Jada Maroo on 21/08/2010 00:01:24
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Amberlamps


What?

I'm still uncomfortable when a black man asks for ISK.



And why is that?


He's just gonna buy Crash with it. Sad

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.21 00:17:00 - [135]
 

I leave for a short 3 hours and all my work to delail this thread has failed, is race really this important?

If so please share why.



Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 01:01:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Blacks use that word to culturally "own" it, take the "power" away from those who used it to oppress them. It's a cultural thing, and it's not likely to just up and change itself overnight. This isn't a "slavery" thing, there's more to it than that, you are over simplifying things.

A modern-day "African-American" has a much higher chance of being the descendant of a slave owner than just about any "European". Does that mean that only white people from the USA can't say it ?
Twisted Evil

Ghoest
Posted - 2010.08.21 01:07:00 - [137]
 

A modern day african American probably has a better chance of being a decedent of slave owners than the average American.

I dont see how this is relevent.

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.08.21 01:08:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: Barakkus on 21/08/2010 01:13:22
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Barakkus
Blacks use that word to culturally "own" it, take the "power" away from those who used it to oppress them. It's a cultural thing, and it's not likely to just up and change itself overnight. This isn't a "slavery" thing, there's more to it than that, you are over simplifying things.

A modern-day "African-American" has a much higher chance of being the descendant of a slave owner than just about any "European". Does that mean that only white people from the USA can't say it ?
Twisted Evil


You seem to forget it was the Europeans that enslaved them first ;)

The connotations of the word have more recent history than something that happened 200+ years ago. Many of the people that committed some of the most heinous crimes because of racism are still alive (and many walking around free as a bird without a care in the world), as well as many of the victims. People seem to completely forget everything in the last 40 years when talking about racism in regards to black people.

Seriously, watch the documentary I linked...it will make you ashamed and proud to be part of the human race all at the same time. It's a very powerful documentary that pretty much covers modern day racism and the fight to gain equality for black americans.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 01:19:00 - [139]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 01:23:26
Originally by: Ghoest
A modern day african American probably has a better chance of being a decedent of slave owners than the average American.
I dont see how this is relevent.

This is relevant because of this...

Quote:
I'm not sure why people keep asking "If they call each other it, why can't we call them it"?
200-300 years of slavery
Apartheid
Jim Crow
That's why we get to say it to each other, simply put. Let us enslave you for a couple hundred years, then separate you "equally" and you can totally call us n***** to.


Would a black person be offended if a ASIAN person says the n-word ? I have a slight feeling they probably wouldn't. Why ? Because they don't associate them with the "historic oppressors", and for a pretty good reason.
If you're going to play the history card to justify the race card, then you have to limit yourself to the people that actually DID any of that. Extending it to automatically include all "white" people from all across the world _IS_ inherently racist. EXCLUDING people that actually ARE descendants of slave owners just because a part of their genome comes from one of the oppressed (while a larger part very likely comes from the ones that DID the oppressing) doesn't make it any less racist either, quite the opposite.
Any "white" person that had nothing to do with slavery, apartheid or any of that (and nobody from his family line ever had anything to do with it either) has all the right to offended by this whole "situation" then.


So, in other words, if "African-Americans" feel offended by the WORD ITSELF, they should probably stop using it altogether too.
If they don't want to stop using it, they shouldn't feel AUTOMATICALLY offended when somebody WITH NO OBVIOUS ANTI-BLACK INTENTIONS uses it colloquially.
This "situation" is a double-standard based on race alone, and is the very DEFINITION of racism.

That is all.


Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.21 01:27:00 - [140]
 

Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 01:29:38
Originally by: Akita T
Would a black person be offended if a ASIAN person says the n-word



As a black person myself I would be offended if the purpose of the use of the word was derogatory. So yes. Now shut up.

(fing morons around here)

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 01:30:00 - [141]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 01:37:21

Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T
Would a black person be offended if a ASIAN person says the n-word

As a black person myself I would be offended if the purpose of the use of the word was derogatory. So yes. Now shut up.

Highlighted relevant part, and that was EXACTLY my point.
What if the use WASN'T derogatory, but colloquial ?
What if it was colloquial, but instead of an Asian, it was a Caucasian ?
My point is that you have no right to be AUTOMATICALLY offended by it ANYMORE unless you have some reason to believe it is being used in a derogatory manner.



Situation 1 : 3 asian, 3 caucasian, 3 black people meet.
One of the black guys goes "yo, 'sup, mah' n****s ?"
WHY is it wrong for any of the other 8 to say "we're all cool, n****" ?

Situation 2 : the exact same people meet one week later.
WHY is it wrong for one of the white people to say word for word, intonation for intonation, with the exact same intention exactly what the black person said a week earlier ?

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.21 01:33:00 - [142]
 

Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 01:33:00
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 01:31:30
Originally by: Rpeg
Originally by: Akita T
Would a black person be offended if a ASIAN person says the n-word

As a black person myself I would be offended if the purpose of the use of the word was derogatory. So yes. Now shut up.

Highlighted relevant part, and that was EXACTLY my point.
What if the use WASN'T derogatory, but colloquial ?
What if it was colloquial, but instead of an Asian, it was a Caucasian ?
My point is that you have no right to be AUTOMATICALLY offended by it ANYMORE unless you have some reason to believe it is being used in a derogatory manner.




go read my posts. I've already answered your lame notion.

and stop being stupid.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 01:35:00 - [143]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 01:55:15

Originally by: Rpeg
go read my posts. I've already answered your lame notion. and stop being stupid.

[sarcasm]Stop being racist.[/sarcasm]


REPEAT :


Situation 1 : 3 asian, 3 caucasian, 3 black people meet.
One of the black guys goes "yo, 'sup, mah' n****s ?"
WHY is it wrong for any of the other 8 to say "we're all cool, n****" ?

Situation 2 : the exact same people meet one week later.
WHY is it wrong for one of the white people to say word for word, intonation for intonation, with the exact same intention exactly what the black person said a week earlier ?

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.21 01:38:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rpeg
go read my posts. I've already answered your lame notion. and stop being stupid.

Stop being racist.


Moderated.ApplebabeI've never even accused anyone around here of being racist. Your fox news, two cent argument isn't worth jack. You've probably barely spent five minutes constructing your belief.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 01:41:00 - [145]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 01:43:41

Originally by: Rpeg
Go read my posts moron. I've never even accused anyone around here of being racist.

But *I* am accusing of racism black people that get offended by precisely the above-described two situations.
Explain to me how that's NOT supposed to be racist on the black person's part ?


P.S. In case it's still not clear enough, no, I am not condoning nor encouraging the use of the n-word by anybody, regardless of skin colour... quite the opposite.

Minchurra
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.21 01:41:00 - [146]
 

These threads always devolve into the same circular arguement.

Couple of centuries slavery and the internet do not mix well.

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.21 01:42:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Rpeg
Go read my posts moron. I've never even accused anyone around here of being racist.

But *I* am accusing of racism black people that get offended by precisely the above-described two situations.
Explain to me how that's NOT supposed to be racist on the black person's part ?



Go read my posts. I've explained it. your argument is lazy.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 01:45:00 - [148]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 01:56:04

Originally by: Rpeg
Go read my posts. I've explained it. your argument is lazy.

No, you haven't. Not clear enough anyway. Explain again to me as if I am the moron you seem to think I am. And use the exact situations I just described while doing it.

Repeat of previous P.S. : In case it's still not clear enough, no, I am not condoning nor encouraging the use of the n-word by anybody, regardless of skin colour... quite the opposite.

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.21 01:59:00 - [149]
 

Edited by: Rpeg on 21/08/2010 02:00:36
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 01:45:08
Originally by: Rpeg
Go read my posts. I've explained it. your argument is lazy.

No, you haven't. Not clear enough anyway. Explain again to me as if I am the moron you seem to think I am. And use the exact situations I described.

Repeat of P.S. : In case it's still not clear enough, no, I am not condoning nor encouraging the use of the n-word by anybody, regardless of skin colour... quite the opposite.



Situation 1 : 3 asian, 3 caucasian, 3 black people meet.
One of the black guys goes "yo, 'sup, mah' n****s ?"
WHY is it wrong for any of the other 8 to say "we're all cool, n****" ?

Situation 2 : the exact same people meet one week later.
WHY is it wrong for one of the white people to say word for word, intonation for intonation, with the exact same intention exactly what the black person said a week earlier ?






Alright, i'm going to hope you're twelve years old and lack life experience. First off your scenario has nothing to do with original post. Your question pre-supposes that a black person would call it wrong if anyone else said n*****. That is the assumption often leveled against the black community in broad strokes. It's a stupid question. Why is it stupid? Because it offers no context. Clearly if this hypothetical group of people are friends and the black person is cool with it, then everything is fine. However don't be naive enough as to not understand why a black person would be uncomfortable with someone non-black using the term? Why you may ask? Because of context, historical baggage and feelings. Do you care about their feelings? Maybe you don't. That's fine if you don't. Does that mean you're a racist? Not necessarily. Will someone call you a racist? Maybe. Does it mean you're naive for not factoring historical and emotional weight with that term? Yes, it does.

There are groups of friends that will say that word with one another with black people around. If doesn't bother anyone, great. However if you throw that word about to a black person who doesn't know you, you're dealing with levels of ambiguity and lack of context that can make the black person uncomfortable and maybe even offended. The bottom line is, if a black person i did not know called me a n***** to my face, I could have a range of reactions. However my imagination would not place them in the category of, "This guy hates me for my race." (note: i am black). If someone I didn't know, who isn't black, said that to my face, the possibility of them actually being racist against me increases. Thus I would be uncomfortable, nervous or even feel threatened in a situation like that. It depends on context and your hypothetical question doesn't factor that in.

Your question assumes that all black people call everyone else racist for using the word no matter what. People level the term racist against one another too much. Often jsut out of emotion. However your huge assumption in that question, "WHY is it wrong for any of the other 8 people to say" the n-word, is manipulative way to phrase that question.

My point is that people here should stop being so stupid to pretend that they don't understand why a black person could be uncomfortable when a non-black person uses that word. It's not difficult to understand. Now if you don't care, then just come right out and say instead acting like an idiot.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.21 02:06:00 - [150]
 

Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 21/08/2010 02:06:14
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