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Jonzun Crew
Posted - 2010.08.20 17:54:00 - [1]
 

I'm roaming with the alliance and one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant. Most of which I missed but I did hear "raisin head" (never heard that one before).
As a "black gamer" or African American it kinda bothered me. Here I am enjoying a game after working with some new "friends" and bam! The "N" word (seems silly now).
I'm not gonna quit because of it. I guess I wanted to know how common place is this type of conversation? I also don't plan of filing a petition. Eve is my 2nd MMO and so my experience is limited.

King Gore
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2010.08.20 17:59:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Jonzun Crew
I'm roaming with the alliance and one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant. Most of which I missed but I did hear "raisin head" (never heard that one before).
As a "black gamer" or African American it kinda bothered me. Here I am enjoying a game after working with some new "friends" and bam! The "N" word (seems silly now).
I'm not gonna quit because of it. I guess I wanted to know how common place is this type of conversation? I also don't plan of filing a petition. Eve is my 2nd MMO and so my experience is limited.



They do exist. Shocked

Thoraxe Rig
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:05:00 - [3]
 

Racist bastards exist in every game, It bothers just about everyone...

It's best to petition (if they do it in game) and ignore 'em as best you can.

Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:08:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Jonzun Crew
I also don't plan of filing a petition.



Filing a petition for something said over a vent or ts server aint going to get you anywhere anyway (as they are nothing whatsoever to do with ccp). As with most things where people have anonimity (i.e. the internet) they will say pretty much anything to get a rise out of people, its no worse in eve than anywhere else on the net and of course if it is in game (i.e. in chat) you can petition it. If it bothers you and your leadership don't care then just move corp/alliance.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:09:00 - [5]
 

Not too common place, we come from all over and are usually of more mature age. Your bound to get some A$$hats and pr!cks sure but thats life. I suggest you file a petition to the really offensive ones.

Also you will never have it as bad as the Russian, god the poor Russians.

AtIas Cam
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:12:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Also you will never have it as bad as the Russian, god the poor Russians.



There's only one Russian and his 10,000 bots.

Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:12:00 - [7]
 

We've gotten to the point in society that "******" is only a selective racial slur; that is to say if it's used in a hurtful manner towards a ******.

omgfreemoniez
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:16:00 - [8]
 

Get over it?

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:17:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Cambarus on 20/08/2010 18:16:55

I lolled Laughing

Seriously, eve is a game where half the people here are looking for a way to **** you, blow you up, steal your stuff, and then laugh about it as you cry while looking at the shattered remains of your account. If someone using a word you don't like really bothers you enough that you feel the need to come here and whine about it then this may be the wrong game for you (By which I mean eve-online, eve-forums-online on the other hand seems to be right up your alley)

Jonzun Crew
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:18:00 - [10]
 

I have to say that the corp members and most of the alliance were very supportive. The real shame is that the guys spouting off the offenses was the FC. Up to that point I was really respecting the guys leadership skills.
I will see what happens with future ops and go from there. Thanks for the advice. I guess I just needed to get this off my chest.

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:24:00 - [11]
 

I'm not sure you read the thread Cambarus, there is a huge difference between some foul language and being a racist. If you are offended by people cursing yeah you need to toughen up but there is little excuse for being racist in modern society. I just ignore the people or tell them to stop talking about politics/useless stuff.

You have to understand that in EVE it is "kewl dude, l33t pr0" to be a troll. And most people are too dumb to know what a troll is so they just say the most offensive things they can think of it and then say "llololol guys I am trolling"

You should probably get over it. When you get a RL job you'll find there are racist people there too, there's racist people and dumb people everywhere. You can't change the way they think and you don't have to be best buddies with them.

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:25:00 - [12]
 

I really hate it when people do this. It is harassment and totally unnecessary. I have often quite gangs and groups with people when this kind of behavior starts in any MMO. Just remember, you are welcome to file a petition under Rules & Policies -> Harassment if this kind of stuff happens in game and let the GMs talk to the offender.

Good luck with your FC. Hopefully if he is a good guy that you two can come to an understanding and enjoy flying with them and not have to deal with this.

omgfreemoniez
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:27:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: omgfreemoniez on 20/08/2010 18:28:03

Anyway CCP are from Iceland and that's like the whitest place ever, the ground are white, the people are white, even the polar bears are white. I doubt CCP'll help you out with this one, OP.
Laughing Razz

yes i know they dont have polar bears in iceland but it sounded funny in my head

Eris Davion
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:28:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Thoraxe Rig
Racist bastards exist in every game, It bothers just about everyone...

It's best to petition (if they do it in game) and ignore 'em as best you can.


There's also some who use racist language because they think it makes them sound "hard" and "edgy" or something. They're not really racists, they're just hooked on controversial language and ****ing in people's cornflakes.


Quantessa
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:32:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Vaal Erit
I'm not sure you read the thread Cambarus, there is a huge difference between some foul language and being a racist.


This is pretty much what decent caring non-racist Germans were saying to each other in the 1920s.

Aessoroz
Nohbdy.
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:36:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Aessoroz on 20/08/2010 18:36:14
Welcome to the internet!

If you would like to file a petition please go to 4chan.org

If you would like to learn more about this subject please go to encyclopediadramatica.org and lookup TROLL as an explanation for why people use these words.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:36:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 20/08/2010 18:37:34
Originally by: Quantessa
This is pretty much what decent caring non-racist Germans were saying to each other in the 1920s.


It took us 14 post to get to **** good work people

Edit: German polical parties are filtered, New info


Taxmuch
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:37:00 - [18]
 

I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?

I just don't understand, please enlighten me.

Aessoroz
Nohbdy.
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:38:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Taxmuch
I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?

I just don't understand, please enlighten me.


To be fair they use the other version, *****.

Taxmuch
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:43:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Aessoroz
Originally by: Taxmuch
I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?

I just don't understand, please enlighten me.


To be fair they use the other version, *****.


And that is not offensive? Confused

TekRa
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:50:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Aessoroz
Edited by: Aessoroz on 20/08/2010 18:36:14
Welcome to the internet!

If you would like to file a petition please go to 4chan.org

If you would like to learn more about this subject please go to encyclopediadramatica.org and lookup TROLL as an explanation for why people use these words.


There is more to the net than 4chan, and whilst I don't have an issue with it (the language or /b/) I think it's better off being confined to that insidious haven, where you know it's all copypasta and trolls trolling trolls. In games and IRL there is no need for it.

Metal Dude
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:55:00 - [22]
 

If I was you, I would set the ****er up. When he's in his capital, let some pirates know where to find him, than I would bubble his ass and watch him burn while laughing at him in local. "How you like me now 'N'?"

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:55:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Doddy
Originally by: Jonzun Crew
I also don't plan of filing a petition.



Filing a petition for something said over a vent or ts server aint going to get you anywhere anyway (as they are nothing whatsoever to do with ccp). As with most things where people have anonimity (i.e. the internet) they will say pretty much anything to get a rise out of people, its no worse in eve than anywhere else on the net and of course if it is in game (i.e. in chat) you can petition it. If it bothers you and your leadership don't care then just move corp/alliance.


Eve voice ?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:56:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 20/08/2010 18:56:48

Devil's advocate...

The word was carrying significant negative racist connotations about 30 years ago, and it PROBABLY still held some significant ones about 15 years ago... but nowadays ? Not so much. Not even close. Especially after it entered popular culture and is seeing heavy usage inside the group it was formerly "used against".
Being offended when somebody of a different race uses a word that the listener's race uses colloquially IS racist on part of the listener... ESPECIALLY if it has been used colloquially too, with no particular harmful racial undertones.

P.S. I still wouldn't use it though. But the whole situation seems a bit hypocritical to me.

WhiteGhostBear
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:57:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Jonzun Crew
I'm not gonna quit because of it. I guess I wanted to know how common place is this type of conversation?
It depends on who you fly with. I know of other corporations where you'll hear far, far worse on a regular basis, and its encouraged. But, I wouldn't ever expect to hear that kind of language from my guys, and if I did, they'd be booted. I've done it before and won't hesitate to do it again. We're here to play internet space ships and have fun.

If the language bothers you and the guy won't stop even after you have asked, then either get someone in authority to lay down the law or simply leave and find a new corp to fly with. There's LOTS of them out there, and because of that, there's no reason for you to stay in an uncomfortable situation.

Mr M
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:57:00 - [26]
 

If I where you I'd first point out to him that I was coloured and that I found his name calling offensive. He may quite then since a lot of people just use language like that to look cool. And if he was still talking to you in a degrading way I'd petition him. No matter what colour, gender, religion or sexual orientation you have you shouldn't need to hear crap like that.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.20 18:57:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Taxmuch
I don't understand why it's ok for black people to say ****** to each other and when anyone else says that, it's racism and offensive?

I just don't understand, please enlighten me.

Tada and we got a winner.

I think you are in for quite a search if you want to find a european person who sees the 'n-word' as such a problem that apparently americans think it is. They say it against each other, but when someone else says it, it is suddenly all bad and emo?

Highly related, which shows why many non-americans really dont get this:
Ninja say what?
Ginga say what?

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.20 19:00:00 - [28]
 

This is life. You will often have to put up with a horde of raging idiots. However, for every thousand thousand idiots you encounter, there's an angel who produces a gem like Blazing Saddles.


Jonzun Crew
Posted - 2010.08.20 19:01:00 - [29]
 

It's not the game I don't like it's racism. For the last 2 years I've done nothing but have a good time. Even when getting my stuff destroyed. That's is a huge part of the appeal. Theft, deception, espionage I get. Racism? How do I incorporate that into a good time? "oh that guy is just an Ammar and you are a Mimnitar so it's natural" lol
I think it caught me off guard and I need to get the bee out of my bonnet.

Sister Amalia
Posted - 2010.08.20 19:02:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Jonzun Crew
I'm roaming with the alliance and one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant. Most of which I missed but I did hear "raisin head" (never heard that one before).




To me the part I highlighted is the key point, so a word was said, big deal, it was not aimed at you, so you cannot really truely say in what context the comment was made, I know some 'black' friends and sometimes certains words are said between us, jokingly..


Seriously I think the whoe racism issue is overblown, what about the guy with one leg that gets called hop it? you see such outrage towards that? or gingers, blondes..

Honestly I think alot of people really need to HTFU..

an odd word said once or twice and not aimed at you, HTFU

Harrasment and/or abuse thrown at you regularly or at all, then do as the ccp guy said, file a petition


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