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KiLLeR21
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.14 21:51:00 - [1]
 

Hi,

I'm not going to hide it, this is going to be a rant.
The loot stealing seems to be a rampant fashion right now. The moment I start a mission and kill some rats, I have more buzzing flies on my wrecks than a pile of poop on a hot summer day. Especially in Motsu.
Now to be clear: If I don't want the wreck, I abandon it. Simple. That's what the function is for.
To sum it up: Ninja salvaging is stealing and should be flagged as such. Ninja looting already is completely stealing and should incur security status loss. I mean, 90% of the time you can't even shoot the thief because you must assume he has pvp-fitted pvp-trained friends in the vicinity - that's the nature of the game. Most things that yield a profit (apart from veldspar mining in highsec, maybe..) have a risk attached. Yet ninja salvaging has none, ninja looting just barely tries to.
My proposed solution for deadspace missions: lock the gate for everyone but me and my fleet. Once I abandon the wrecks and complete the mission, thus dissipating the deadspace gates, it's free for all to take. Non-deadspace, see above. Stealing is, well, stealing..

Grumble. Annoyed right now.

Bye.

Triskie
Caldari
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
Posted - 2010.08.14 21:54:00 - [2]
 

Oh boy, here we go again lol

TekRa
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.14 22:01:00 - [3]
 

mission elsewhere? I hardly ever have ninja-salvager or looters in my missions. You're most likely in a drake with a sig the size of a small moon, too.

have fun.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.08.14 22:11:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: KiLLeR21
Especially in Motsu.
Found your problem.
Quote:
Now to be clear: If I don't want the wreck, I abandon it. Simple. That's what the function is for.
The whole point of stealing is that they don't care… or that they want to loot your shipwreck.
Quote:
To sum it up: Ninja salvaging is stealing
To sum it up: no.
Quote:
Ninja looting already is completely stealing and should incur security status loss.
Why?
Quote:
My proposed solution for deadspace missions: lock the gate for everyone but me and my fleet.
Horrible horrible idea. You want to create safe space. Won't happen. If you want to be safe, don't undock… in fact, don't log in (since the bad guys can get you even when you're in station).

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.08.14 22:27:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: KiLLeR21
Especially in Motsu.
Found your problem.
Quote:
Now to be clear: If I don't want the wreck, I abandon it. Simple. That's what the function is for.
The whole point of stealing is that they don't care… or that they want to loot your shipwreck.
Quote:
To sum it up: Ninja salvaging is stealing
To sum it up: no.
Quote:
Ninja looting already is completely stealing and should incur security status loss.
Why?
Quote:
My proposed solution for deadspace missions: lock the gate for everyone but me and my fleet.
Horrible horrible idea. You want to create safe space. Won't happen. If you want to be safe, don't undock… in fact, don't log in (since the bad guys can get you even when you're in station).


Amazing, starts off being ok and helpful and then turns into a total ass troll. It seems this happens most of the time.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.14 23:57:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Amazing, starts off being ok and helpful and then turns into a total ass troll. It seems this happens most of the time.


The point being made is that PvP can happen anywhere in Eve, and it's by design. Asking for a game mechanic that makes you 100% safe is a waste of time.


Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.08.15 00:09:00 - [7]
 

fit a pvp ship with an active tank.. start the mission. blow up the thieves

then move to a new missioning system.

Frozean
Posted - 2010.08.15 00:10:00 - [8]
 

7 Golden Rules of EVE

Never LOOT yellows
Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP
Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b
Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here
Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP
Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt..
...

Always follow the 7 golden rules of eve, in a non pvp ship!!

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.08.15 02:52:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Frozean
7 Golden Rules of EVE

Never LOOT yellows
Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP
Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b
Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here
Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP
Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt..
...

Always follow the 7 golden rules of eve, in a non pvp ship!!


Didn't someone tell you you are wrong already?

Noun Verber
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.15 04:35:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Frozean
7 Golden Rules of EVE

Never LOOT yellows
Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP
Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b
Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here
Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP
Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt..


8. Minerals that you mine are free
9. Highsec will protect you from pvp

Elijah Mohammed
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.08.15 06:58:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Noun Verber
Originally by: Frozean
7 Golden Rules of EVE

Never LOOT yellows
Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP
Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b
Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here
Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP
Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt..


8. Minerals that you mine are free
9. Highsec will protect you from pvp


10.don't petition your loss due to bugs or anything else. THE LOGS NEVER SHOW ANYTHING.


knentil
Posted - 2010.08.15 08:15:00 - [12]
 

I am actually quite disapointed in ninja's as of late.

I wish I would get more to spice it up.

Heck, I may even pretend that I care about the wrecks just to attract some freaking attention!!

Wet Ferret
Posted - 2010.08.15 08:23:00 - [13]
 

Never had a loot ninja in 4 1/2 years. Must be doing something wrong.

Perhaps they should buff loot thievery so they have a reason to come find me and take my stuff Very Happy

Zaqar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.08.15 08:44:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: KiLLeR21
ninja salvaging

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2010.08.15 19:21:00 - [15]
 

Ninja salvaging is INTENTIONALLY not stealing!

Per CCP Mitnal:
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."

Per GM Faolchu :
Originally by: GM Faolchu
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.

Per Senior GM Ytterbium :
Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.

Per CCP Prism X :
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.

Per CCP Incognito :
Originally by: CCP Incognito
Had a chat with some designers this evening.
Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private.
They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks.

(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.08.16 09:01:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Frozean
7 Golden Rules of EVE

Never LOOT yellows
Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP
Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b
Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here
Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP
Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt..
...

Always follow the 7 golden rules of eve, in a non pvp ship!!


The sad thing is that there are actually people who believe this.

Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.16 10:21:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Frozean
7 Golden Rules of EVE

Never LOOT yellows
Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP
Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b
Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here
Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP
Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt..
...

Always follow the 7 golden rules of eve, in a non pvp ship!!


The sad thing is that there are actually people who believe this.


yup... I don't know what is worse. The morons posting such absolute *******s or the fools that believe it.

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2010.08.16 12:14:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: KiLLeR21

My proposed solution for deadspace missions: lock the gate for everyone but me and my fleet. Once I abandon the wrecks and complete the mission, thus dissipating the deadspace gates, it's free for all to take. Non-deadspace, see above. Stealing is, well, stealing..



Did you even give a moments thought as to how this would effect the game as a whole rather than your own selfish demands to have salvage protected for you only.

What you want will produce this -

Lowsec and 0.0 missioning = ultra safe appart from station games.
Safespots for anyone in any system they can get a miaaion in.
Wardecs pointless (even miners could mine in mission space)

Just because you dont want to make the effort to collect salvage before someone else does.

Sendraks
The Spice Weasels Must Flow
Posted - 2010.08.16 12:32:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: KiLLeR21
I'm not going to hide it, this is going to be a rant.

It's not a very good rant though. You don't come across as nearly hysterical enough. But some of your ideas are sufficiently poorly thought through that this is worthy of a rant.

Originally by: KiLLeR21
The loot stealing seems to be a rampant fashion right now.


This implies that at some point, since the introduction of the new scanner and the ability to probe people in mission DS, that this hasn't been in fashion.

Originally by: KiLLeR21
The moment I start a mission and kill some rats, I have more buzzing flies on my wrecks than a pile of poop on a hot summer day. Especially in Motsu.


You know something. I've never seen one of these mission loot stealing/salvaging types. How many legs have they got?

This could be because I don't do missions in Motsu, Dodixie, Oursalaert or any other busy system where in order to find a mission DS you just have to throw out a probe and pick the best out of the oodles of results you get. It really is amazing how few (read: none) salvagers you see in systems where probing out a mission DS actually requires a modicum of effort.

But then, why would any self respecting salvaging with a careful eye on their isk/hour bother to go to a quieter system when they can shoot fish in a barrel in Motsu?

Ah what the hell do I care? The more of you idiots crammed into Motsu, the quieter my mission running space remains. Happy days.Very Happy

SwissChris1
Playboy Delivery Service
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2010.08.16 12:44:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: SwissChris1 on 16/08/2010 12:45:06
disregard this message....I just ranted on how Frozean was an idiot for posting his "golden rules"...

Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2010.08.16 13:37:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Frozean
7 Golden Rules of EVE

Never LOOT yellows
Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP
Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b
Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here
Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP
Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt..
...

Always follow the 7 golden rules of eve, in a non pvp ship!!


The sad thing is that there are actually people who believe this.


And the fun one is, when they eventually think they are ready because they have enough SPs and test the waters they get their ass handed to them my people with a quarter of their sp but actual player skill and experience...

Spineker
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.17 04:16:00 - [22]
 

I just blow everything up the second some asshat warps in. Of course in a nighthawk I can tank just about any of it and go to bed so detargeting rats and targeting wrecks is no issue. I especially like blowing up wrecks as they are pulling them in and then I laugh at them. I rather it all go up in smoke than have some idjit take the stuff. Oh they will get a few things here and there but the time to find me warp to me and target stuff isnt worth shield booster and couple of guns and my endless laughing since I go for fast kills and move on anyway unless the wrecks are in 25Km range I leave them. But sometimes I blow it all up anyway because generally I dont like people getting anything off me.

I have had 2 people ask me if they could salvage my kills when it was obvious I was running missions and they made millons I am sure. Not being an asshat can go a long way even with me.

Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Posted - 2010.08.17 12:36:00 - [23]
 

make cap stable (dominix) anything actually.
get recon 3/3
warp to it and engage lars
leave it for a night.
feel better.

Evil Stare
Posted - 2010.08.17 16:06:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Frozean
7 Golden Rules of EVE

Never LOOT yellows
Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP
Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b
Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here
Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP
Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt..
...

Always follow the 7 golden rules of eve, in a non pvp ship!!

Please stop posting as you sound daft.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2010.08.17 17:34:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
make cap stable (dominix) anything actually.
get recon 3/3
warp to it and engage lars
leave it for a night.
feel better.



come back the next day in a virgin clone.

it would only take a few shuttles to overload even a domi's tank against recon 3/3.
and i'd gladly take the sec hit and pod the guy just to be a jerk on top of it all.

Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Posted - 2010.08.17 19:41:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Awesome Possum

come back the next day in a virgin clone.

it would only take a few shuttles to overload even a domi's tank against recon 3/3.
and i'd gladly take the sec hit and pod the guy just to be a jerk on top of it all.

Little bird told me that's its pretty easy to watch for certain sample played on the sound card and automatically power off the computer if such sample is played.
really doubt powering off your computer breaks eula.

Roboplegic
Amarr
Posted - 2010.08.17 19:49:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Evil Stare
Originally by: Frozean
7 Golden Rules of EVE

Never LOOT yellows
Never SHOOT anyone, till u have 100m SP
Never enter LOWSEC, till u have 100b
Never TALK in local. only scamers+wardeccers here
Never carry more then 25m isk/5000EHP
Never join "new Corps". They steal ur isk. Kill w/alt..
...

Always follow the 7 golden rules of eve, in a non pvp ship!!

Please stop posting as you sound daft.


Frozaen always sounds daft

sizzlore
Gallente
New Eden Regimental Navy
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
Posted - 2010.08.18 00:03:00 - [28]
 

get a tengu most ninjas wont bother trying to scan you if there are 100 ravens out doing missions.

Spineker
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.18 00:48:00 - [29]
 

How is Tengu for speed killing? I haven't actually bothered with them yet a bit pricey I always think for cruiser class ship put people seem to love them.

Ruzzi
Posted - 2010.08.18 01:02:00 - [30]
 

thanks for the heads up...On route to Motsu

FYI: I will be the asshat pilot of the rifter stealing your loot


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