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Ressiv
Massive PVPness
Posted - 2010.08.16 17:07:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Rikeka

Let's also not exagerate the size of the flood problem.
Very few dead, even less than Katrina. Haiti, and other recent problems were much bigger in comparison.



Your so full of fail ...

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.16 18:45:00 - [92]
 

I cant help but think that if I were in their dire situation that perhaps Allah is trying to tell me something.Neutral

Ressiv
Massive PVPness
Posted - 2010.08.16 19:55:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
I cant help but think that if I were in their dire situation that perhaps Allah is trying to tell me something.Neutral


Why is that ? Do you have imaginary friends you talk to which is causing you to think something like that ?

Rikeka
Eye of God
Posted - 2010.08.16 20:18:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Rikeka on 16/08/2010 20:19:50
Originally by: Fumitsugu


Your style of writing leads me to believe you're about 15 and from America. Am I close?

Originally by: Rikeka

Let's also not exagerate the size of the flood problem.
Very few dead, even less than Katrina. Haiti, and other recent problems were much bigger in comparison.





So what, we shouldn't help them? Seeing as the US prides itself on being champion of the free world, shouldn't they give a hand? The least they could do during this difficult time is to stop performing illegal cross border assaults with their drones and shooting up civilians.




Not even close. I'm close to 30, and I'm not american. English is not my 1st language, so excuse me on that regard. And I'm not saying we shoudn't help them. I'm saying we don't care. Again, I'm being honest. I simply don't. And without knowing you, I can say you don't care as well. We seem to have different meaning to the word "care" here... as in, you'll help Pakistan? You'll take a plane, go to Pakistan, and you'll build some hospital tents, you will pitch in and send a few tons of food...

Oh, wait. I've done all those things in Haiti, and even helped loading planes to the Katrina disaster area. See? But, hey, if people feel better by donating 10 bucks on their local mini-mart to the Pakistan cause, kudos to you all.

All this things aside... Let's try to be honest. How the news of the flood affected you? You couldn't sleep, you couldn't eat, you just couldn't function without first trying to help in whatever way you could? Of course not. We, maybe something in the human psyche, simply don't care till it affect us personally.

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2010.08.16 22:43:00 - [95]
 

The world is over crowded, 6.7billion and rising. I'm thankful for every war and natural disaster that lessons the number of people using my oil up.

Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
Posted - 2010.08.16 22:54:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Intense Thinker
Originally by: Fumitsugu

So what, we shouldn't help them? Seeing as the US prides itself on being champion of the free world, shouldn't they give a hand?




We can't, every time we try they blow it off with IEDs


Let's hope those IED's blow off the *****es of the superior officers raping women in Iraq. Don't believe me? There is a US marine who wrote a book on it. All hail the US and their "helping hands". That'll show Iraq for hiding American oil under their soil.

ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.08.16 23:44:00 - [97]
 


Originally by: Rikeka

Let's also not exagerate the size of the flood problem.
Very few dead, even less than Katrina. Haiti, and other recent problems were much bigger in comparison.





Tell me you're not suggesting we let a couple hudred thousand people die before we consider helping them.
Heiti was an earthquake, those people (vast majority of) died within minutes.

These people in Pakistan aren't survivors of an earthquake, they're not even survivors of the flooding yet, many won't be, they're trying to stay alive and have no clean drinking water and nothing to eat. It'll take them 3 or 4 days to die assuming they dont drink dirty water, a bit longer if they do and then they'll be dying from the **** that's in the water.

We can help them, that's why we should send what we can.
We shouldn't not help them just because the numbers of dead aren't sexy enough yet.

dr doooo
Posted - 2010.08.17 00:05:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: dr doooo on 17/08/2010 00:05:53
Originally by: dr doooo
Edited by: dr doooo on 14/08/2010 11:16:54
Why the tsunami and Haiti, but not Pakistan etc etc? Because westerners go on holiday to the seaside, and the USA and Iceland at least are well aware earthquakes can happen to them and people like them. Monsoon floods? Na - that's just a Johnny Foreigner problem, and everyone knows Johnny Foreigner isn't quite human in the same way we are. They don't suffer pain, hunger or anguish for lost loved ones like we do, they're used to it. It's probably their own lazy feckless fault anyway.



Oooh sh*t. I think Rikeka may have missed my irony and may have been prompted to post. (note to self - never underestimate the stupidity and suggestibility on those who drag their knuckles on the ground)
















So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.08.17 00:29:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Intense Thinker
Originally by: Fumitsugu

So what, we shouldn't help them? Seeing as the US prides itself on being champion of the free world, shouldn't they give a hand?




We can't, every time we try they blow it off with IEDs


Let's hope those IED's blow off the *****es of the superior officers raping women in Iraq. Don't believe me? There is a US marine who wrote a book on it. All hail the US and their "helping hands". That'll show Iraq for hiding American oil under their soil.

What?! There are rotten eggs in MY MARINES? UNPOSSIBLE, THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE IS CLEARLY PERFECT.

Also, a small but likely enlightening bit of information for you, just because someone writes a book doesn't mean that what's in the book is a true story.

Rikeka
Eye of God
Posted - 2010.08.17 00:51:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: ChaeDoc II


Tell me you're not suggesting we let a couple hudred thousand people die before we consider helping them.
Heiti was an earthquake, those people (vast majority of) died within minutes.

These people in Pakistan aren't survivors of an earthquake, they're not even survivors of the flooding yet, many won't be, they're trying to stay alive and have no clean drinking water and nothing to eat. It'll take them 3 or 4 days to die assuming they dont drink dirty water, a bit longer if they do and then they'll be dying from the **** that's in the water.

We can help them, that's why we should send what we can.
We shouldn't not help them just because the numbers of dead aren't sexy enough yet.


As I said, help them as much as you can. That's good. All I'm saying is that people just don't care, unless it happens close, or they have family there. Or by any chance, the disaster is extremely big, and you kinda want to help.

Again, we all seem to have a different definition of the words "help" and "care". To some here donate 10 more bucks to UNICEF is enough help. I can do that too. Easy. That means I care enough now?

No matter what you do, it will happen again. The pakistani govt will again take no measures to reinforce the river banks, nor prepare proper emergency plans, nor educate it's citizens. And this comes from personal experience, the value of life is completely different on that part of the world.

Don't take it personal. But people just don't care about those countries/regions so far away.

Rikeka
Eye of God
Posted - 2010.08.17 00:53:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: dr doooo
Edited by: dr doooo on 17/08/2010 00:05:53
Originally by: dr doooo
Edited by: dr doooo on 14/08/2010 11:16:54
Why the tsunami and Haiti, but not Pakistan etc etc? Because westerners go on holiday to the seaside, and the USA and Iceland at least are well aware earthquakes can happen to them and people like them. Monsoon floods? Na - that's just a Johnny Foreigner problem, and everyone knows Johnny Foreigner isn't quite human in the same way we are. They don't suffer pain, hunger or anguish for lost loved ones like we do, they're used to it. It's probably their own lazy feckless fault anyway.


Oooh sh*t. I think Rikeka may have missed my irony and may have been prompted to post. (note to self - never underestimate the stupidity and suggestibility on those who drag their knuckles on the ground)




Fixed your quote.
You were even talking to me? I didn't even notice your post, nor it was you who prompted to post, noob.

Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
Posted - 2010.08.17 03:19:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Intense Thinker
Originally by: Fumitsugu

So what, we shouldn't help them? Seeing as the US prides itself on being champion of the free world, shouldn't they give a hand?




We can't, every time we try they blow it off with IEDs


Let's hope those IED's blow off the *****es of the superior officers raping women in Iraq. Don't believe me? There is a US marine who wrote a book on it. All hail the US and their "helping hands". That'll show Iraq for hiding American oil under their soil.

What?! There are rotten eggs in MY MARINES? UNPOSSIBLE, THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE IS CLEARLY PERFECT.

Also, a small but likely enlightening bit of information for you, just because someone writes a book doesn't mean that what's in the book is a true story.


I could flip that statement and say "just because someone writes a book doesn't mean that what's in the book is fiction". I'm an objective and logical person who has been immersed in politics for 15 years now so I've learned that the world is full of lies but in knowing that I've also learned to glean the truth from the scraps of information thrown at our feet. The writing of this book coupled with the fact that the US government arrested 5 marines under charges of **** and murder along with this case indicating how even more soldiers in Iraq are being charged with the **** of girls it really kind of makes me think that maybe JUST MAYBE that Marine may have written the book out of more than self-interest.

Intense Thinker
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.17 03:28:00 - [103]
 

And the Burmese government didn't arrest any of it's soldiers for probably 100's of ****s that occurred yesterday. In fact, medals were probably awarded to those soldiers... so what's your point?

Bottom line is it's a combat zone, after a while the morality in people changes

Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
Posted - 2010.08.17 03:31:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Intense Thinker
And the Burmese government didn't arrest any of it's soldiers for probably 100's of ****s that occurred yesterday. In fact, medals were probably awarded to those soldiers... so what's your point?

Bottom line is it's a combat zone, after a while the morality in people changes


You're right, I guess it's ok then.

LuZhi
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.08.17 04:53:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Nadia Shah
Why does CCP choose to raise funds for certain disasters but not others? What is the criteria for which CCP must do something to help? Is it that CCP only helps certain Nations? Races? Religions?


It's called freedom. Freedom to choose or associate with the causes you wish. People generally make their own judgments on the charities or causes they support. The criteria used is their business, and choosing one cause over another is commonsense given that everyone has limited resources.

No one has the time or resources to raise funds for every disaster that comes along. You don't agree with how they handle charity? If you have a little to spare or your own business then you can make good on your convictions. That's why thousands of charities and causes exist and why none of us know any one or any business that patronize all of them. Claiming it's hypocritical because someone only gives their charitable devotion to only certain kinds of suffering is ludicrous.

Rikeka
Eye of God
Posted - 2010.08.17 14:43:00 - [106]
 

The OP was a obvious troll, ignore that guy.

Planks
Unjustified Ancients of MuMu
Posted - 2010.08.17 19:29:00 - [107]
 

Man OOPE is cold. OK so the floods are happening too far away from most of you to affect you personally in the same way as coalition soldiers are dieing too far away from home to affect you.

But some of the comments here are just plain nasty. Try to forget you are commenting from behind your anonymous avatars and regain a sense of humanity, please.


Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2010.08.17 23:23:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Planks
Man OOPE is cold. OK so the floods are happening too far away from most of you to affect you personally in the same way as coalition soldiers are dieing too far away from home to affect you.

But some of the comments here are just plain nasty. Try to forget you are commenting from behind your anonymous avatars and regain a sense of humanity, please.




They took my humanity out back and stoned it.

Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2010.08.18 06:30:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Darius Brinn on 18/08/2010 06:32:03
Originally by: Nadia Shah
If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami, Pakistan Earthquake, Hurricane Katrina, Or any other natural disaster.

Now we have an even bigger natural disaster affecting 14 million people and CCP has done nothing, So my question here is, Why does CCP choose to raise funds for certain disasters but not others? What is the criteria for which CCP must do something to help? Is it that CCP only helps certain Nations? Races? Religions?

Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game.


Here, let me clarify it for you.

Pakistan death toll so far: about 2.000 people.
Haiti death toll: more than 250.000 people.

Pakistan disaster scope: about 1/5th of the country affected, not including the destruction of Islamabad.
Haiti: infrastructures utterly devastated. Nothing stands. Capital hit hard, with 90 ****ing percent of the homes brought down. No government capabilities left at all. Communications (even cellphones) not operational.

More Haiti goodness: educational system completely shut down. No school at all for anybody.

All in all, I think that while the Pakistan floods are a crippling disaster, it's still far from what happened to Haiti. Pakistan will suffer a tremendous economical blow in the immediate future...but Haiti was absolutely destroyed in all senses.

I mean, the government is operating from a Police office near the airport. It's like Los Angeles in that crappy Kurt Russel sequel.

Spacelasers
Posted - 2010.08.18 09:16:00 - [110]
 

I really do not get why CCP didn't invent a time machine to have plex donations in 04-05

will munny
Posted - 2010.08.18 09:43:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
I cant help but think that if I were in their dire situation that perhaps Allah is trying to tell me something.Neutral


this had me Lolling!

'Nuf said.

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2010.08.18 12:05:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Planks
Man OOPE is cold. OK so the floods are happening too far away from most of you to affect you personally in the same way as coalition soldiers are dieing too far away from home to affect you.

But some of the comments here are just plain nasty. Try to forget you are commenting from behind your anonymous avatars and regain a sense of humanity, please.



In real life there are people who know my name and where I live. I have told them too "I don't care". That's just the way it is...

ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.08.18 16:04:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Planks
Man OOPE is cold. OK so the floods are happening too far away from most of you to affect you personally in the same way as coalition soldiers are dieing too far away from home to affect you.

But some of the comments here are just plain nasty. Try to forget you are commenting from behind your anonymous avatars and regain a sense of humanity, please.



In real life there are people who know my name and where I live. I have told them too "I don't care". That's just the way it is...


No one objects to you not caring. We object to you going out of your way to tell us that. As if you're proud, or something. Or simply want to court an arguement.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2010.08.18 16:30:00 - [114]
 

Stop complaining and donate your own damn money like everyone else.

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2010.08.18 17:16:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: ChaeDoc II
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Planks
Man OOPE is cold. OK so the floods are happening too far away from most of you to affect you personally in the same way as coalition soldiers are dieing too far away from home to affect you.

But some of the comments here are just plain nasty. Try to forget you are commenting from behind your anonymous avatars and regain a sense of humanity, please.



In real life there are people who know my name and where I live. I have told them too "I don't care". That's just the way it is...


No one objects to you not caring. We object to you going out of your way to tell us that. As if you're proud, or something. Or simply want to court an arguement.


How is it any more out of his way than the self-righteous OP who wants to shame CCP for donating to charity and not to all of them.

No-one is happy with the world on their shoulders, do what you can in your community and try to minimize harm in others.

As a closing note I'd like to mention that the Indus valley is very fertile and support a large population, the double edge of that is that that larger population are made to suffer when the river gets too much, or is it the population around it?

ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.08.18 18:19:00 - [116]
 

It's not any more out of his way, but then the OP's a prick too. :)

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2010.08.18 19:51:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Vogue on 18/08/2010 19:53:20
What can really help those who live in poverty is Microcredit->microloans. Loaning someone a small amount for us - say $30 can make a huge difference to someone caught living on a few dollars a month. With a microloan they could buy some tools\implements that would allow them to fabricate cloths, pottery, tools, etc that give them an income to elevate themselves.

Where this has been done in a legitimate no scamming way, for example in Bangladesh. It has made a real difference to poor communities.

Microcredit



Charles Murphy
Posted - 2010.08.20 01:42:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Nadia Shah
If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami
2004
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Pakistan Earthquake
2005
Quote:
Hurricane Katrina
2005

…and PLEXes were introduced late 2008. So that's your explanation right there.
Quote:
Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game.
Since said restlessness has little to no bearing on CCP's humanitarian efforts…

…nah.


CCP did nothing for Hurricane Katrina. They made a big thing about the Tsunami during that time period.

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2010.08.24 16:42:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: ChaeDoc II
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Planks
Man OOPE is cold. OK so the floods are happening too far away from most of you to affect you personally in the same way as coalition soldiers are dieing too far away from home to affect you.

But some of the comments here are just plain nasty. Try to forget you are commenting from behind your anonymous avatars and regain a sense of humanity, please.



In real life there are people who know my name and where I live. I have told them too "I don't care". That's just the way it is...


No one objects to you not caring. We object to you going out of your way to tell us that. As if you're proud, or something. Or simply want to court an arguement.
You are missing the point of my post. It was directed completely to the person who said that we are hiding behind the anonimity of the Internet. And typing a few lins of text isn't "going out of my way" since that is what we do in internet forums...

Phosphorus Palladium
Posted - 2010.08.24 18:32:00 - [120]
 

Give to one aid program, or two or whatever,
you will always end up not giving to someone else equally deserving.


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