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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.08.13 16:21:00 - [61]
 

In school I learned that our race (humankind) are called homo sapiens. Then I learned that this planet, Earth, is divided by borders which make up most of the nations in the world. And then I learned about religions - another word for people who desire to have answers but didn't have any, so they invented some based on their need.

Natural Selection > Humanitarianism

Flap jak
Posted - 2010.08.13 16:22:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Rpeg
Edited by: Rpeg on 12/08/2010 23:29:11
EVERYONE SHUT UP


.


no.

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2010.08.13 16:24:00 - [63]
 

It's all politics, I opt for the 'let die' option in this case.

Cold hard yes but forum censorship won't let me get into specifics so i'll just chalk it down to not supporting people supporting an unhumanitarian regime.

Ressiv
Massive PVPness
Posted - 2010.08.13 16:29:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Ressiv on 13/08/2010 16:53:41
Originally by: Nadia Shah
blah blah


Confirming I dont give a **** about what CCP does about this. In the end, it's not what CCP did, it's what I did to help where I could.

Now stop pointing 3 fingers at yourself and 1 at CCP and spend your time on something usefull actualy helping the situation you care about so much.

... unless offcourse you just used another angle to **** and moan about CCP, in which case you should have your lips replaced by your *******, so we know you are talking **** from the start.

Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
Posted - 2010.08.13 16:30:00 - [65]
 

maybe Pakistan is more able to handle this. remember Haiti is 100% poor. Pakistan is like Beverly Hills compared to Haiti.(the difference is that if a Natural Disaster destroyed Beverly Hills we would not have to care because they are all rich)

Richard Christy
Posted - 2010.08.13 16:45:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Ariane VoxDei
[selvsencored]


This might be my new favourite word.

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2010.08.13 16:51:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Edited by: Catherine Frasier on 13/08/2010 15:06:52
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Take a look at the entire world. NO ONE CARES.
Except all those countries like the US, UK, Canada, Japan, the EC who have donated money, supplies and workers, NGOs like the Red Cross, millions of private individuals and even private corporations like Coke(!) who are donating and offering assistance. Yeah, clearly NO ONE (other than the millions of us who care) CARES.

Put another way, speak for yourself. If you don't care that's one thing but don't tar the rest of us with that brush.

Originally by: Shawna Gray
Just about everyone is getting really tired of people from that part of the world.
And again, speak for yourself.


NO !!!

NO ONE CARES...

The paltry sums given by the people you mention is just a meaningless feel good amount to ease peoples minds. Compared to the amount given to other things, this is nothing. And as I said, the UN is still whining for more...

Cebraio
Posted - 2010.08.13 16:55:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
maybe Pakistan is more able to handle this. remember Haiti is 100% poor. Pakistan is like Beverly Hills compared to Haiti.(the difference is that if a Natural Disaster destroyed Beverly Hills we would not have to care because they are all rich)


To add some numbers to your claims:
Haiti GDP (nominal p.c.) 2009 estimate (after the earthquake): $733
Pakistan GDP (nominal p.c.) 2010 estimate (before the flooding): $1067
USA GDP (nominal p.c.) 2009 estimate: $46.381

Doesn't look that rich to me. Especially compared to Beverly Hills.
All numbers from Wikipedia.

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.08.13 19:27:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Nadia Shah
If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami, Pakistan Earthquake, Hurricane Katrina, Or any other natural disaster.

Now we have an even bigger natural disaster affecting 14 million people and CCP has done nothing, So my question here is, Why does CCP choose to raise funds for certain disasters but not others? What is the criteria for which CCP must do something to help? Is it that CCP only helps certain Nations? Races? Religions?

Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game.

Because CCP is secretly controlled by the NWO, who secretly caused the flood to secretly wipe out Al-Qaida? Duuh.

Eyam Eohkeay
Posted - 2010.08.13 19:54:00 - [70]
 

I don't subscribe to these helping by donation ideers most of the time. There are fundamental problems with it.

Namely,
1) Sometimes helping isn't helping: Sometimes you can unknowingly crush the livelyhood of citizens in target country, IE donating a bunch of clothes... I heard a sad story once about a group shipping boatloads of clothing to help a country, and by doing so, put a large part of the population out of work as their products couldn't compete with free.

2) Accountability, expenses, administration - where do the funds go?
When you donate money to a company or organization, it not only gets held up in the pipes for ages, a lot of it 'disappears' amidst the various expenses and things involved.

If you want to help, either physically donate your services, OR find a group of people who are organizing a trip or something and help fund their project somehow. Or donate to an organization that clearly defines how much of your money is going where.


Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2010.08.13 20:01:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Vogue on 13/08/2010 20:42:07
Charity is best done to organisations that spend the money directly on projects like water, electricity, schools, hospitals. Giving money to countries as charity is a waste of time. They will spend it on a fleet of new Mercedes limosines. On militery, etc.

The USA does give countries like Pakistan money. Its to keep them onside. Though the USA once told them follow our policies or we bomb you back to the stone age.

300 million of Pakistan earthquake money misused


Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.13 23:49:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
but forum censorship won't let me get into specifics.


Censorship?

What censorship?

/looks to the left
/looks to the right

Wait. I remember Pesky made me laugh in this thread ugh I want to see those posts again Crying or Very sad


Slade

Jerreie
Posted - 2010.08.14 00:13:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Jerreie on 14/08/2010 00:14:44
Because philanthropy is ************ (edit: auto-eroticism). You do it to make yourself feel better. You pretend to care, others pretend to believe you care and round and round it goes. It's the world's biggest circle jerk.

I don't care about people starving, dying, losing their homes and families, being oppressed or tortured. But I care even less about how much you want other people to know that you do. So go away.

adfadfadfawe
Posted - 2010.08.14 02:34:00 - [74]
 

This is why we can't have nice things.

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.14 10:18:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Jerreie
Edited by: Jerreie on 14/08/2010 00:14:44
Because philanthropy is ************ (edit: auto-eroticism). You do it to make yourself feel better. You pretend to care, others pretend to believe you care and round and round it goes. It's the world's biggest circle jerk.

I don't care about people starving, dying, losing their homes and families, being oppressed or tortured. But I care even less about how much you want other people to know that you do. So go away.


Actually i do it to make others feel better. I don't get anything out of it, and I couldn't care any less what others think of me. Opinions are like *******s, everyone has one.

Ressiv
Massive PVPness
Posted - 2010.08.14 11:03:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch

Actually i do it to make others feel better. I don't get anything out of it, and I couldn't care any less what others think of me. Opinions are like *******s, everyone has one.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but you dont. Each and every action you take is geared towards just 2 emotions: love and fear, or a bit more practical in this case, their derivatives pleasure and pain.

Each and every action you take is either geared towards obtaining pleasure, or avoiding pain.

If you like it or not, your subcounsious did use these two in order to support your decision. So whetter consious about it or not, you either did it to feel good about yourself, or to not feel lousy about yourself.

(... and everybody thinks anyone elses stinks)

MSC Darklord
Posted - 2010.08.14 11:03:00 - [77]
 

If a major disaster strikes and the eyes of the world turn that way and people want to help, and by proxy gain something (good PR) does it cheapen the help? Does it somehow make the help worse?
Another major disaster strikes, but the eyes of the world are turned elsewhere, sure, many see it but not everyone. Is it wrong for the people who did help the last time and perhaps saved countless people not to send aid this time? Does this make the previous assistance look like an evil ploy that the people used to further their own agenda?
I have helped some charities, I have donated to improve peoples lives slightly when that same money might have bought someone else meals for a week. Does this make me a bad person? Sometimes I donate because I have extra money and it might mean I buy one less six pack etc this month. Sometimes I have donated to look good in front of my friends. Is the latter donation any less helpful than the previous one?

At least ccp did help by allowing players to give plex to one cause. Maybe this thread will prompt them to start another plex aid program.

Anyway, I hope the people in Pakistan will be safe and won't suffer. I will not be donating to this cause personally since I can't afford it.

dr doooo
Posted - 2010.08.14 11:15:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: dr doooo on 14/08/2010 11:16:54
Why the tsunami and Haiti, but not Pakistan etc etc? Because westerners go on holiday to the seaside, and the USA and Iceland at least are well aware earthquakes can happen to them and people like them. Monsoon floods? Na - that's just a Johnny Foreigner problem, and everyone knows Johnny Foreigner isn't quite human in the same way we are. They don't suffer pain, hunger or anguish for lost loved ones like we do, they're used to it. It's probably their own lazy feckless fault anyway.











ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.08.15 02:12:00 - [79]
 

It's ironic that some people are saying Pakistan dont deserve help because they apparently support terrorism. I find it ironic because when terrorists blow up a bus with children on it and try to justify it by saying their country dessecrates their holy land... or something, while the western world wonders "what did these kids ever do to deserve this?".

Kids are dying in Pakistan and you dont think they are worth helping because you believe Pakistan support terrorism.

So, what have those kids ever done to support terrorism?

Hypocrisy, it exists everywhere.

Rikeka
Eye of God
Posted - 2010.08.15 21:43:00 - [80]
 

The OP is a douche, trying to troll/bait everyone cause his Badger was ganked in Jita, and he not getting reimbursed, or something...

CCP, why was he not banned yet?
Some clarification is needed on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game.


Rikeka
Eye of God
Posted - 2010.08.15 21:50:00 - [81]
 

And no one cares about Pakistan, and their neighbors, cause it's not a huge blow to humanity, nor close enough for us to care. Sad, but true. We associate them to terrorists, maybe unfairly, but not totally wrong. They ask for help, expect it, but they would not lift a finger to help the rest of the world; nor can/want to get rid of their extremists...

Of course, is a problem of their leaders, not their people. But, if help is sent to them, condition it to better future results against terrorism, and to pallate the country's social problems.

Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
Posted - 2010.08.16 04:31:00 - [82]
 

I don't see it being racially or nationally motivated really I mean what is the connection between CCP and Haiti? Maybe they are in the process of organizing it. At the end of the day CCP is not obligated to help anyone but themselves and anything they do other than that is above the call of duty. Also helping out with every natural disaster in this naturally disastrous world sets a dangerous precedent that CCP will donate every time there is a natural disaster as illustrated by this thread.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.08.16 04:53:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Rikeka
And no one cares about Pakistan, and their neighbors, cause it's not a huge blow to humanity, nor close enough for us to care. Sad, but true. We associate them to terrorists, maybe unfairly, but not totally wrong. They ask for help, expect it, but they would not lift a finger to help the rest of the world; nor can/want to get rid of their extremists...

Of course, is a problem of their leaders, not their people. But, if help is sent to them, condition it to better future results against terrorism, and to pallate the country's social problems.


wow, you know nothing and are completely wrong on every single thing you posted.

brav-o

Rikeka
Eye of God
Posted - 2010.08.16 05:03:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Rikeka on 16/08/2010 05:10:59
Imagine that in tomorrow's paper, big headlines "Big meteorite crushes Pakistan, everyone there presumed dead", you'd be worried and actually sad it happened? No. I'm at least being honest about it. Most people would be indifferent. If that actually happened, I totally see myself thinking "Well... with some luck [insert randon bad guy name here] was there too and died". It's how we are engineered.

Harsh, yes. But it's how it is. Still, if I want to appear well-mannered in front of others, I guess I can say "Ooh, poor guys! Let's go help them now, and send them some money, etc".

Again, nothing personal against Pakistan.
Hell, I'd prefer meteorites over a dozen countries before Pakistan. :D

Let's also not exagerate the size of the flood problem.
Very few dead, even less than Katrina. Haiti, and other recent problems were much bigger in comparison.



Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
Posted - 2010.08.16 06:14:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Rikeka

Let's also not exagerate the size of the flood problem.
Very few dead, even less than Katrina. Haiti, and other recent problems were much bigger in comparison.



There was a discussion on the news about comments exactly like this one. While it may SEEM that the situation is less dire than Haiti or Katrina it is quite the opposite. A flood kills slowly while earthquakes kill quickly, many died in the drowning but many more will die from the Cholera outbreak due to the flooding, and even more from the starvation and homelessness. All politics aside its sad when anyone in the world has to go through this because at the end of the day we're all humans simply divided by our languages, our appearance, and lines on a map.

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.16 07:36:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: ChaeDoc II

Kids are dying in Pakistan and you dont think they are worth helping because you believe Pakistan support terrorism.

So, what have those kids ever done to support terrorism?

Hypocrisy, it exists everywhere.


News Flash: Kids are dying everywhere. Sad fact of life.

ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.08.16 08:51:00 - [87]
 

It's also a sad fact of life that people think that's a good reason to do nothing.


Fumitsugu
Posted - 2010.08.16 09:52:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: ChaeDoc II
It's also a sad fact of life that people think that's a good reason to do nothing.




Correct.

Originally by: Rikeka


Again, nothing personal against Pakistan.
Hell, I'd prefer meteorites over a dozen countries before Pakistan. :D



Your style of writing leads me to believe you're about 15 and from America. Am I close?

Originally by: Rikeka

Let's also not exagerate the size of the flood problem.
Very few dead, even less than Katrina. Haiti, and other recent problems were much bigger in comparison.




So what, we shouldn't help them? Seeing as the US prides itself on being champion of the free world, shouldn't they give a hand? The least they could do during this difficult time is to stop performing illegal cross border assaults with their drones and shooting up civilians.


Intense Thinker
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.16 09:57:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Fumitsugu

So what, we shouldn't help them? Seeing as the US prides itself on being champion of the free world, shouldn't they give a hand?




We can't, every time we try they blow it off with IEDs

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2010.08.16 15:52:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Intense Thinker
Originally by: Fumitsugu

So what, we shouldn't help them? Seeing as the US prides itself on being champion of the free world, shouldn't they give a hand?




We can't, every time we try they blow it off with IEDs


It'd be well invested deaths, going in with armed relief like in Somalia but Pakistan won't allow it.

Co-incidently for those saying Pakistan never does anything for the world, Pakistan was one of the largest contributors to the UN Somalia operation, as depicted in Black Hawk Down.


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