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Nadia Shah
Posted - 2010.08.12 22:26:00 - [1]
 

If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami, Pakistan Earthquake, Hurricane Katrina, Or any other natural disaster.

Now we have an even bigger natural disaster affecting 14 million people and CCP has done nothing, So my question here is, Why does CCP choose to raise funds for certain disasters but not others? What is the criteria for which CCP must do something to help? Is it that CCP only helps certain Nations? Races? Religions?

Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game.

Thuranni
Eldjotnar
Posted - 2010.08.12 22:27:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Nadia Shah

Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game.


There is no restlessness in the game over this issue, noone cares, stop pretending to speak for anyone but yourself.

Nadia Shah
Posted - 2010.08.12 22:31:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Thuranni
Originally by: Nadia Shah

Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game.


There is no restlessness in the game over this issue, noone cares, stop pretending to speak for anyone but yourself.


If you dont care then why are you trolling? Also looks like your the one speaking for everyone when you say "noone cares", what you meant to say is you dont care which is fine by me but why you posting here.

Ay'a
Posted - 2010.08.12 22:31:00 - [4]
 

I heard some kind sod was going to donate 74

... oh wait nvm

Mitsune Konno
Posted - 2010.08.12 22:32:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Thuranni
Originally by: Nadia Shah

Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game.


There is no restlessness in the game over this issue, noone cares, stop pretending to speak for anyone but yourself.

besides, population control 4tw.

Otocinclus
Minmatar
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2010.08.12 22:33:00 - [6]
 

Checked the news, didn't see anything about it.

How much money have you or whatever company you work for donated to the victims of this disaster?

Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.08.12 22:35:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Nadia Shah
Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game.
You mean it put YOUR mind at rest? I haven't heard any other players make a peep about this, please don't act like you're a spokesperson for anyone but yourself.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.08.12 22:35:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Nadia Shah
If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami
2004
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Pakistan Earthquake
2005
Quote:
Hurricane Katrina
2005

…and PLEXes were introduced late 2008. So that's your explanation right there.
Quote:
Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game.
Since said restlessness has little to no bearing on CCP's humanitarian efforts…

…nah.

alittlebirdy
Posted - 2010.08.12 22:47:00 - [9]
 

That would be tens of billions (about 28bill in 08)

OP is Personal attack removed.Applebabe as already shown how can you plex for something when the item does not exist?

Who really cares IMHO plex for hati should not have happened.

Aint no one giving me free money, let these damn people either make it on their own or die. Stop having 10 kids and then we can talk.

No on in the game cares.

Mangala Solaris
Caldari
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.08.12 22:51:00 - [10]
 

So, haiti 2million out of 9 in an already damn poor country got done over by the earthquake. Poorest country in the "rich" west to boot.

Pakistan 14mill (ish) out of 166million, in a state that is comparatively wealthy compared to many. Ask your oil rich muslim buddies for their famous charity (1 of the 5 pillars after all). Hell, Pakistan is certainly more wealthy than haiti - its a nuclear nation. Sell your bombs to india in return for aid :)

As for why CCP isnt doing anything - it could be as others said, down to press coverage.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.12 22:51:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Nadia Shah
If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami, Pakistan Earthquake, Hurricane Katrina, Or any other natural disaster.

PLEX for Haiti blog (2010.01.29)
"We at CCP have been following the devastating impact of the earthquake of January 12 on the people of Haiti. [...] In 2004 we assisted a collection amongst EVE players to help with the Southeast Asia Tsunami relief efforts and we have figured out a way to use our PLEX system to facilitate such a collection again."
So, they DID collect money for the tsunami victims, and it took them over 2 weeks to get the Haiti thing going (17 days, actually).
The Haiti thing was heavily reported all over the place, the reports of flooding in Pakistan, not so much... for instance, I heard about the Haiti earthquake mere hours after it happened, but I first heard about the flooding in Pakistan IN THIS THREAD.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.12 22:54:00 - [12]
 

CCP didnt donate the money the players did. so don't ask why CCP isn't helping, ask why you aren't.

Cebraio
Posted - 2010.08.12 23:07:00 - [13]
 

The media coverage about the Haiti disaster was way bigger. I guess that's why CCP didn't jump the help-wagon yet.

Also, did you know that you can donate money at many places? Red cross, to name one. Don't cry about CCP's intentions/motives when you can act by yourself. Evil or Very Mad

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2010.08.12 23:08:00 - [14]
 

If CCP does start a campaign to donate PLEX for the floods in Pakistan, I will gladly donate.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.08.12 23:12:00 - [15]
 

I guess if I give 100$ to one charity I need to give 100$ to every other similar charity else i'd be a hypocrite?

Aerilis
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.08.12 23:16:00 - [16]
 

Probably because Haiti got a ****load of media attention, and CCP wanted to jump on the good publicity bandwagon.

I wouldn't be surprised if they took a nice tax deduction for themselves as well, essentially profiting from Haiti.

Irae Ragwan
Posted - 2010.08.12 23:18:00 - [17]
 

OP,

I work for the Red Cross and I would encourage you to donate your time and money to any of the NUMEROUS humanitarian efforts we are making across the globe. If you're waiting for some corporation like CCP to pitch in for PR kudoz before you give anything, you're no better than the people that you're accusing of being callus. There are plenty of ways to go about it other than trolling EVE forums with senseless **** like this.

http://www.redcross.org/

Now get off your high horse and lend us a hand will ya?

Menkala
Posted - 2010.08.12 23:21:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Mitsune Konno
Off topic content removed.Applebabe


Off topic content removed.Applebabe


But as per the topic. CCP can't do a plex drive every single time something bad happens in the world. What are they going to do, set up a bodycount meter that starts up plex donation when, say, 10,000 die? I honestly think the Haiti drive was a bad idea. YES, you should give to charity, YES you should give lots, frequently, YES if it even raised a dollar extra compared to what would of been donated had the drive not been done then it was worthwhile.

But it sets a precedent that CCP probably can't keep up with.

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.12 23:29:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Rpeg on 12/08/2010 23:29:11
EVERYONE SHUT UP


You can donate here:

https://www.oxfam.org.uk/donate/pakistan-floods/index.php







.

ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.08.12 23:30:00 - [20]
 

What a pathetic thread.

There's plenty of things wrong with Eve but there's absolutely nothing wrong with CCP not donating money to every single humanitarian fund just because it donated to one of them.

Would you prefer CCP and all businesses the world over chose never to donate money to relief funds?

CCP tries to do something nice for a group of people in a time of crisis, a few months later they're getting bull**** from tards like you because they dont do something nice for everyone in a time of crisis.

Maybe they should sell their business and give all the proceeds to the Pakistan flood relief fund.

Personal attack removed.Applebabe

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.08.12 23:43:00 - [21]
 

If you're really looking for honesty, Pakistan and Haiti were **** holes before their respective disasters, and no one was speaking out then, especially Haiti, whose children had to eat cookies made of dirt to survive. No one had a problem with that, at least until an earthquake interrupted the dirt supply, then its all like, oh noes lets help Haiti, everyone that doesn't help is a monster. Pakistan, quite the **** hole. But you weren't posting about it before the earthquake. But now suddenly you care. I'd be more inclined to believe your desire to help was genuine if you weren't trying to pass off grand gestures, which are ultimately going to help little in the long run, as some sort of evidence of moral superiority. If you truly want to help those people, then stop wasting your time trying to guilt other people into helping, roll up your sleeves, and get started helping them yourself. I think you'll find that if you focus more on what your doing, and less on what others are doing, you'll get more done (you will also not come off as a pretentious douche).

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2010.08.12 23:45:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 12/08/2010 23:48:29
To touch on a minor point in this train wreck of a thread...

I wouldn't worry too much about Russia or anyone that depends on their wheat. We (America) can keep them afloat if necessary along with anyone that depends on purchasing Russian wheat.

We generate tremendous over supply's of wheat, and even donating huge amounts of food in humanitarian aid (which sometimes is left rotting on the receiving countries docks by their own government) we still have to pay our farmers NOT to produce food.

It may take a while to set up, we may need to break open our own reserves in the short run, but we'll do our best to fill the gap. It just takes awhile to get wheels that big turning.

As far as the Pakistan situation, I agree that for various reasons it has not gotten the media coverage that is needed. Real life politics discussion removed.Applebabe

It's not CCP's responsibility to start a charitable drive every time something goes wrong in the world, although they have shown a willingness to do what they can. Nor is it our responsibility as individuals, but if you are at a place financially where you can help out this time please do so. Good links to do so have been provided.



SurrenderMonkey
Posted - 2010.08.13 00:57:00 - [23]
 

OP needs to learn the definition of "hypocrisy". At absolute worst, this is merely inconsistency

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.08.13 01:18:00 - [24]
 

Shoot I just spilled my beer. I demand PLEX aid for this emergency. It's a disaster on my carpet atm.

Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
Posted - 2010.08.13 02:12:00 - [25]
 

So people are complaining about CCP not donating money, or not asking us to donate money to every disaster going on in the world?

So...why not have CCP start a charity of their own? Not a charity event related to one particular disaster, but a charity organization that's constantly funded from within an on-line game. You could then donate to it at anytime via PLEX, and CCP will at regular intervals distribute the money where they think it's needed. It would also give the economy gurus at CCP something more to put into the QEN.

Riaqu
Posted - 2010.08.13 02:30:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Riaqu on 13/08/2010 02:32:37
Originally by: Zaknussem
So people are complaining about CCP not donating money, or not asking us to donate money to every disaster going on in the world?

So...why not have CCP start a charity of their own? Not a charity event related to one particular disaster, but a charity organization that's constantly funded from within an on-line game. You could then donate to it at anytime via PLEX, and CCP will at regular intervals distribute the money where they think it's needed. It would also give the economy gurus at CCP something more to put into the QEN.


+1

This could work quite well, with ingame ways of donating ISK. They could even set-up a dedicated NPC corporation.

Mitsune Konno
Posted - 2010.08.13 02:36:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Riaqu
Edited by: Riaqu on 13/08/2010 02:32:37
Originally by: Zaknussem
So people are complaining about CCP not donating money, or not asking us to donate money to every disaster going on in the world?

So...why not have CCP start a charity of their own? Not a charity event related to one particular disaster, but a charity organization that's constantly funded from within an on-line game. You could then donate to it at anytime via PLEX, and CCP will at regular intervals distribute the money where they think it's needed. It would also give the economy gurus at CCP something more to put into the QEN.


+1

This could work quite well, with ingame ways of donating ISK. They could even set-up a dedicated NPC corporation.

probably, but then everyone would whine about which charity.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.13 05:15:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Akita T
The Haiti thing was heavily reported all over the place, the reports of flooding in Pakistan, not so much... for instance, I heard about the Haiti earthquake mere hours after it happened, but I first heard about the flooding in Pakistan IN THIS THREAD.


Guess you haven't heard of the Fallujah thing either then?...

Anyway, the Haiti and Tsunami events were not really politically hot subjects, unlike the flooding. There we're touching upon stuff that really won't go down well with such a varied population as EvE has.

CCP would be accused of everything from supporting US imperialistic masterplan to giving aid to the Taliban.

Shinshi Casoyako
Posted - 2010.08.13 06:26:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Nadia Shah
If you remember back to the Haiti earthquake CCP decided to run a PLEX for Haiti campaign, First time CCP ever decided to show a "humanitarian" face, Yet before that never decided to PLEX for Tsunami, Pakistan Earthquake, Hurricane Katrina, Or any other natural disaster.

Now we have an even bigger natural disaster affecting 14 million people and CCP has done nothing, So my question here is, Why does CCP choose to raise funds for certain disasters but not others? What is the criteria for which CCP must do something to help? Is it that CCP only helps certain Nations? Races? Religions?

Some clarification on this issue would ease some of the restlessness within the game.


Cant be arsed to read every page. But I seem to recall that I have donated through CCP for the tsunami/earthquake disaster.

So in response to the original poster.
Move allong nothing to see here.

CCP Applebabe

Posted - 2010.08.13 08:08:00 - [30]
 

This thread has been cleaned up.

Please refrain from discussing real life politics and keep your post on topic.


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