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CAPSLOCKBROKE
Viziam
Posted - 2010.08.11 13:00:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: CAPSLOCKBROKE on 11/08/2010 13:03:10
I'm a member of the NC which "controls" Venal so to speak, and live fairly close so I've been enjoying heading over there to rat/look for rare spawns. At first I took my Dominix and while it mowed down the rats, it has zero hope in pvp in its current fit and is also incredibly slow to move around from system to system and belt to belt.

So I'm dusting off the ol' Legion, slapping missiles on it, and going to town.

My original fit can do everything I want, but I was EFT Warrioring it and realized two things:

1. I can add the Power Core Multiplier subsystem to fit an extra launcher.
2. I need practically zero tank vs these rats. I am speed tanking with my AB so much I generally never even hit armor even though I armor tank.

So I wanna drop some of the tank for more gank and also fit a web and scram for PvPing the randoms as I go.

Here is my fit. The tractor beam and salvager I would like to stay as I'm making a killing off the meta 4's and salvage out here. It also gives me more to do as I'm killing the rats.

Missile Legion

[PEWPEW]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II

X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,Terror Rage Assault Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager II

Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I

Legion Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

It's paper tank is garbage and its not cap stable running the rep, but for ratting with my speed the tank is literally completely irrelevant. For PvP I would only engage a fight I knew I could win and in Venal its pretty rare to see PvP besides random 1 of oddballs. If it was fast enough to catch me I could kill it, and if it was strong enough to kill me it wouldn't catch me. With my skills its doing 530 dps, with all V its at 700. That seems incredible for me on such a mobile ship that can loot and salvage as well!

So whada you think?

Bagrista
Posted - 2010.08.11 13:31:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Bagrista on 11/08/2010 13:32:51
My EFT says it's only at 647dps with all lvl5 (no implants). And that's with rages - killing frigs and elite cruisers is going to take forever, especially without a painter (and drones). The web helps a little bit, but you still have 180 expl. radius on those missiles.
Oh, and if you ever encounter anyone non-blue (however improbable it is), you're most likely dead if it's an assault frig, a curse/pilgrim, a vagabond... well basically anything that can catch you. Your cap holds for whooping 2:43 with max skills and you have no buffer, no range and no ability to hit anything smaller than a BC for any decent damage.

Also it's going to eat ammo like crazy with that 2,5s ROF.

CAPSLOCKBROKE
Viziam
Posted - 2010.08.11 13:50:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Bagrista
Edited by: Bagrista on 11/08/2010 13:32:51
My EFT says it's only at 647dps with all lvl5 (no implants). And that's with rages - killing frigs and elite cruisers is going to take forever, especially without a painter (and drones). The web helps a little bit, but you still have 180 expl. radius on those missiles.
Oh, and if you ever encounter anyone non-blue (however improbable it is), you're most likely dead if it's an assault frig, a curse/pilgrim, a vagabond... well basically anything that can catch you. Your cap holds for whooping 2:43 with max skills and you have no buffer, no range and no ability to hit anything smaller than a BC for any decent damage.

Also it's going to eat ammo like crazy with that 2,5s ROF.


At the moment using Arbalest HAMS and regular terror missiles, frigs and cruisers take no time at all. Maybe fury won't work as well against these or I'm missing something? I steamroll them 2 volleys a frig 3-4 volleys a cruiser. This is just using one stasis web on them. Elite frigs and cruiser may take longer but I also may just skip them and focus on the BS unless they are scramming/jamming me.
That's weird my EFT says 698 dps all level V no implants. Wonder what the difference is?
If I was to give up on the pvp tools and try to avoid fights (should be really easy honestly its a ghost town out there) what would you add instead? How would you change it keeping up with the theme of being very mobile and speed tanking the rats and using HAMs?

Bagrista
Posted - 2010.08.11 14:22:00 - [4]
 

My EFT might be a bit old, I'm using 2.12.3.
Regular terror missiles are more efficient when killing small stuff, because they don't suffer from the MASSIVE expl. radius of Fury missiles. When you load Furies, don't expect to kill any scramblers in any reasonable time. Oh, and guristas elite cruisers jam like crazy :). An option would be to load Navy missiles when trying to get rid of those, but that's gonna get expensive fast and I'm not really sure if you can get them in 0.0 for any half-decent price.

If you're hell-bent on flying a Legion, I'd stick a target painter on it (meta 4) instead of the scram. And get rid of the velocity rigs - I'd use 1x hydraulic bay thrusters, 1x rocket fuel cache partition and 1x warhead calefaction catalyst. Should give you some more DPS and range.

Still, Legion sucks. Use a Tengu with heavies if you can - it cuts through guristas like a hot knife through butter and it can fit some decent tank. Only problem is you can't fit a tractor and a salvager on it without sacrificing a lot of DPS (no utility highs) - but guristas salvage is really bad anyway.

I'd use a tengu.

CAPSLOCKBROKE
Viziam
Posted - 2010.08.11 15:17:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Bagrista
My EFT might be a bit old, I'm using 2.12.3.
Regular terror missiles are more efficient when killing small stuff, because they don't suffer from the MASSIVE expl. radius of Fury missiles. When you load Furies, don't expect to kill any scramblers in any reasonable time. Oh, and guristas elite cruisers jam like crazy :). An option would be to load Navy missiles when trying to get rid of those, but that's gonna get expensive fast and I'm not really sure if you can get them in 0.0 for any half-decent price.

If you're hell-bent on flying a Legion, I'd stick a target painter on it (meta 4) instead of the scram. And get rid of the velocity rigs - I'd use 1x hydraulic bay thrusters, 1x rocket fuel cache partition and 1x warhead calefaction catalyst. Should give you some more DPS and range.

Still, Legion sucks. Use a Tengu with heavies if you can - it cuts through guristas like a hot knife through butter and it can fit some decent tank. Only problem is you can't fit a tractor and a salvager on it without sacrificing a lot of DPS (no utility highs) - but guristas salvage is really bad anyway.

I'd use a tengu.


The Legion does suck I agree (except against Sansha rats and in PvP of course =) ). But unfortunately I moved to Gurista space as an Amarr/Gallente pilot =(

Tengu does it better, Dominix works amazing for Anomalies as well (only 2 weeks away from tech 2 sentries!), but for a good day trip to venal the Dominix is really lacking in speed.

So I'm trying to make the best of the Legion for what it is, and at least take advantage of being able to loot meta 4's (sell great out here!) and salvage (not very good BUT when I kill dread spawns the tech 2 salvage makes it all worth while!)

I think I'll drop the scrambler for a TP. Think I can only use 2 Missile rigs before the CPU penalty becomes a problem, so I may go Flight Time + Damage + 1 Velocity or maybe Agility rig just for jumping belts quicker.

Bagrista
Posted - 2010.08.11 15:39:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: CAPSLOCKBROKE
I think I'll drop the scrambler for a TP. Think I can only use 2 Missile rigs before the CPU penalty becomes a problem, so I may go Flight Time + Damage + 1 Velocity or maybe Agility rig just for jumping belts quicker.


I'd go with the velocity rig to get in range faster. Agility rig will save you about a second on align - that's not very much.

If you're an amarr/gallente pilot, how about the Proteus? It can do some massive damage and hybrids have the right damage type for guristas.

Irae Ragwan
Posted - 2010.08.11 15:52:00 - [7]
 

Why the hell are you not using an ishtar?

CAPSLOCKBROKE
Viziam
Posted - 2010.08.11 16:07:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Irae Ragwan
Why the hell are you not using an ishtar?


Simply put I can't fly it yet and wanted to try and make a missile boat work. Also while killing speed may be faster I'm not sure overall speed of looting/salvaging/getting drones back would be faster.


Gavin Neltharek
Debitum Naturae
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.08.11 17:06:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Gavin Neltharek on 11/08/2010 17:07:38
Drop your warp disruptor and fit a painter. You won't want to take on anything that will come at you solo anyway so you mine as well make taking down the elite frigs and cruisers a cakewalk. The rest seems like a solid fit for general purpose ratting.


Or since you fly Galente, use an Ishtar.

Irae Ragwan
Posted - 2010.08.11 17:48:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: CAPSLOCKBROKE
Originally by: Irae Ragwan
Why the hell are you not using an ishtar?


Simply put I can't fly it yet and wanted to try and make a missile boat work. Also while killing speed may be faster I'm not sure overall speed of looting/salvaging/getting drones back would be faster.




It would be lightyears faster on all accounts compared to a ham legion.


 

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