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Amda Tori
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.10 00:18:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Amda Tori on 10/08/2010 00:22:03
Hello,
I've noticed that the Machariel is flavoured as a shield tank, but what if it would be armor tank for Level 4 ?
I'd like you to say your opinion on this Machariel fitting, please:

[Machariel, New Setup 1]
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Damage Control II
Large Armor Repairer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed

1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Fusion L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Fusion L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Fusion L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Fusion L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Fusion L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Fusion L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Fusion L
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Projectile Burst Aerator I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
[empty rig slot]


Edit: Should i drop the Kronos for this Machariel ? Would i be able to finish missions faster with this Machariel ?
I very much like to own a Machariel, but i'm focused on armor tank and to train for shield tank, it would take ages. :(

Thank You,
Amda Tori

Adacia Calla
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.10 01:30:00 - [2]
 

Atleast give the ship the respect it deserves and spend some isk on it.

MoeJoe Green
Gallente
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2010.08.10 01:42:00 - [3]
 

[Machariel, MachArmor]
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
100MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range

800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Heavy Nosferatu II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Replace whatever with faction stuff.

CaptainFalcon07
Posted - 2010.08.10 02:01:00 - [4]
 

Against Kinetic and Explosive, you should shield Tank.

Against Thermal and EM, you should armor Tank.

The Machariel is special in that you can work any way you want.

demonfurbie
Minmatar
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.08.10 02:10:00 - [5]
 

if you want an armor tank get a fleet temp a mach needs to be shield tanked to take advantage of the lows for gyros/te and armor rigs slow it down and speed is one of the huge aspects of this ship

[Tempest Fleet Issue, 4s]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
True Sansha Large Armor Repairer

100MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Guristas Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Guristas Wrath Cruise Missile

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Projectile Ambit Extension I


Vespa II x5
Hammerhead II x5


or if you insist in armor tanking a shield/speed tanked ship you can do it just get a faction repper


Jose Black
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2010.08.10 07:24:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: demonfurbie

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Guristas Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Guristas Wrath Cruise Missile


The Mach has got 7 turret slots these days.

Georn
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
Strategic Operations Brigade
Posted - 2010.08.10 12:28:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Georn on 10/08/2010 12:28:27
Originally by: Amda Tori
Edit: Should i drop the Kronos for this Machariel ? Would i be able to finish missions faster with this Machariel ?
I very much like to own a Machariel, but i'm focused on armor tank and to train for shield tank, it would take ages. :(


1. Depends on your Kronos fit, skills and on your targets.
If your Kronos is faction fit, you're fighting Kin/Term weak rats, it should be slightly faster than THIS Machariel

2. Unless you run in a Armor RR Gang the Shieldtank will work better. Even with only a month or so spent on shield-skills (which will even add a small buffer to your armortanked ships)

3. In my experience a ganky shieldtanked Mach with an AB and 1400s is way faster/efficient than a Kronos
Speed allow to dictate Range.. slow Fire Rate allows to line up every shot.. High alpha pops many things in one go.
Amda Tori

Kaldani Malankori
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.08.10 17:45:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: MoeJoe Green

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range



heh.

Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
Posted - 2010.08.10 22:38:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Jose Black
Originally by: demonfurbie

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Guristas Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Guristas Wrath Cruise Missile


The Mach has got 7 turret slots these days.


That's a FI Tempest.

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.08.10 23:47:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Aqriue on 10/08/2010 23:56:50
Originally by: MoeJoe Green
[Machariel, MachArmor]
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
100MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range

800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Heavy Nosferatu II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Replace whatever with faction stuff.

This is what I used for my Mach, with two cap rigs and one nano pump rigs and 1 Tracking Computer, ended up with 3 cap charges and cap stable which is fine with an AB running (Hull tanking cert going to break that in a few days when Rep 5 finishes \o/ ). Just got a Vargur and still trying it out, but bit a disappointed at the reduction of damage compared to the Mach. Vargur doesn't get a damage bonus to per skill level, it gets rate of fire which I would prefer a 5% damage per level on a ship that can't fit artillery with its slow rate of fire and it feels like that rate of fire is counters the reduced consumption of when moving down to 4 turrets Crying or Very sad.

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I've noticed that the Machariel is flavoured as a shield tank,

Just armor tank the beast if you have low skills, you can get away with just using tech 2 rep and 3 hardners on most missions. The difference of 11,646 shields and 11,623 armor is so insignificant. If I were to shield tank a mach, I would probably just use 1200mm artillery with 4x Gyro, 2x Tracking Enhancer, 1 Falloff Rig /w 2x CCC and record the hits by hand in between cycles at 100kms in fall off.


 

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