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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
POD-SQUAD
Posted - 2010.08.07 22:08:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 07/08/2010 22:14:07
Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 07/08/2010 22:09:11
Issue: marauders are only susceptible to caldary e-war, and not to any other races. I don't see any reasons for only caldary to get the luxury of having boosted e-war against marauders, everybody should be equal.

Solution one: remove the weakness

Solution two: make them equally suceptable to everything

Solution three: Give every marauder a differnt weakness, for example gallente will be vulnerable to minmatar, but resilient to caldary and amarr. Caldary will be vulnerable to amarr, amarr- to caldary,e.t.c. or in any other combination.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2010.08.08 08:04:00 - [2]
 

Errr...

have you SEEN what Neutralizers can do to a Gallente or Amarr battleship (or any other cap intensive ship for that matter)? Tracking Disruptors are also pretty bad for turret ships of all types as well.
Moreover, Target Painters are good for what they do (making ships "bigger") and Webs work on almost any ship (frigates especially).

Not supported.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2010.08.08 09:19:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Drake Draconis on 08/08/2010 09:19:30
First off -
C A L D A R I

Learn to spell before you insult the Caldari pilots and there shiny ravens *wink/nudge nudge*

Secondly - Don't drink and post.

Because its quite painfully obvious you don't know what your talking about.

Every single ship in this game has the same possibilities of getting EWAR'ed as anyone else (except those that have immunity and even then that depends on your definition of EWAR).

And that has its own slew of skills to change the game overall.

And naturally each RACE has a weakness that can be preyed upon.
You obviously do not know them... or your just rage posting over a Falcon.

Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
POD-SQUAD
Posted - 2010.08.08 09:39:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 08/08/2010 09:43:53
Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 08/08/2010 09:39:22
Quote:
Have you SEEN what Neutralizers can do to a Gallente or Amarr battleship

How is that relevant to my proposal?
Quote:
Every single ship in this game has the same possibilities of getting EWAR'ed as anyone else

Obviously you can neut or sensor damp a marauder, but i am talking about it's exceptional vulnerability to jamming compared to other ships of the same class.
I will explain again: Marauders have lowered sensor strength compared to other battleships, that makes them more vulnerable to caldary e-war then normal battleships. Why do only caldari get the privilege of being exceptionally effective against them?

Why are marauders only made vulnerable to caldary? what is this some sort of racism? Very Happy
Falcon can reach jamming strength of 15, so it permajamms kronos with a single (!) jammer.
Can a curse permanently cap out Kronos with a single neut to the point where it cannot shoot? I don't think so.

Neuts do work against marauders, but only to the same extend that they work against all battlships, caldary for soem reason get the luxury of decreased sensor strength.



Quote:
And naturally each RACE has a weakness that can be preyed upon.

I am not talking about any race, i am talking about a class of ships, maraders, all of them. Again, how is that relevant to my post?



Gecko O'Bac
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.08 11:44:00 - [5]
 

I'm fairly sure the reason why Marauders get very low sensor strength, is that the Ss is tied to probing mechanics. Giving them a low strength means that they are easily probable and very hard to make un-probable with eccm boosting methods.

The caldari EW is just a side effect.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2010.08.08 21:12:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev

How is that relevant to my proposal?



I was attempting to make a semi-humorous jab about how Neutralizers seem to be unfair (or as you put it, "racist") against cap intensive ships (i.e. Amarr and Gallente).

Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev

Can a curse permanently cap out Kronos with a single neut to the point where it cannot shoot? I don't think so.



Actually, yes. It can.

Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev

Neuts do work against marauders, but only to the same extend that they work against all battlships, caldary for soem reason get the luxury of decreased sensor strength.



ffs... CALDARI. Every time you put a "y" at the end my eyes blear up and my inner Spelling **** screams at 130 decibels.

But back on topic; I believe that it has something to do with the fact that ECM is the ONLY form of e-war that is chance based. That and Marauders are awesome ships and need some sort of drawback to not be "too awesome."

Comodore John
Gallente
Trixi IFI
Posted - 2010.08.08 22:19:00 - [7]
 

Marauders have low sensor strength to keep them from being used in PvP (unless you sacrifice a slot for ECCM).

Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
POD-SQUAD
Posted - 2010.08.08 22:32:00 - [8]
 

Quote:
That and Marauders are awesome ships and need some sort of drawback to not be "too awesome."

Well, why is it that only the caldarY can make use of this drawback? Why not make them weak to sensor dampeners? Caldary ECM is already good, not like it needs more buffing by giving ships low sensor strength.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2010.08.09 00:16:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev
Quote:
That and Marauders are awesome ships and need some sort of drawback to not be "too awesome."

Well, why is it that only the caldarY can make use of this drawback? Why not make them weak to sensor dampeners? Caldary ECM is already good, not like it needs more buffing by giving ships low sensor strength.


Look closely at their stats. While Marauders have a slightly longer targeting range over their T1 variations they also have slightly less scan resolution. And the ~40% dampening effect that a basic T1 Sensor Dampener can bring to either range or resolution is nothing to sniff at.
In a way, Marauders are already weak against Sensor Damps.


 

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